Ako. 10nl Rush

[XXEddie 0]

Don't have the HH and this is rush poker so no reads. I've always just felt odd putting in 100bb+ with just AK. Folding felt kinda weak as did just flatting the 3-bet.9 handedHero (CO) - $15Villain (SB) - $13.05/.10 NLHEHero is dealt AKo5 folds, Hero raises to .30, Button folds, SB raises to 1.30, BB folds, Hero raises to 4, SB shoves, Hero calls.Is this standard? Like I said I've always hated the idea of 'OMG I haz AK I arrin!!!'. Since my raise came in LP what is villain's range here? AQs+, 99+?? I dunno.. I was kinda lost and was wondering if this is standard. Is flatting the 3-bet an option? Is folding to the shove standard?

[Ninja Ace 1]

your typical 10NL FR rush player isn't stacking with AQ and prolly not shoving JJ or QQ even with this incredibly standard spot to do it. I think a smaller 4bet/fold is my best option... i'm sure this advice will be shit on but whatevs

[trystero 0]

you're in position, call the 3-bet pf

[BellaireDrew 2]

4bet/calling>>>>>flatting>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4bet/folding pretty standard to 4 bet get it in here from the Co against a blind 3 bet. Like I guess flatting would be meh, but its going to be difficult playing it even in pos. Also when an A or K hits your prolly not going to get a ton of action from worse hands. 4 bet folding is dumb imo, its almost like turning AK into a bluff, Id rather just fold to the 3 bet then 4bet/fold here

[rbakken2504 0]

4bet/calling>>>>>flatting>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4bet/folding pretty standard to 4 bet get it in here from the Co against a blind 3 bet. Like I guess flatting would be meh, but its going to be difficult playing it even in pos. Also when an A or K hits your prolly not going to get a ton of action from worse hands. 4 bet folding is dumb imo, its almost like turning AK into a bluff, Id rather just fold to the 3 bet then 4bet/fold here

I disagree with the bolded part...rush poker plays like most live cash games, you're mostly getting three bet by AA, KK, or QQ.....while i dont mind flatting a three bet, i think just straight folding to it is best, since youre missing the flop most of the time and even if you hit your action is probably dead if ahead. The second part of his post i do like that i bolded.

[XXEddie 0]

I disagree with the bolded part...rush poker plays like most live cash games, you're mostly getting three bet by AA, KK, or QQ.....while i dont mind flatting a three bet, i think just straight folding to it is best, since youre missing the flop most of the time and even if you hit your action is probably dead if ahead. The second part of his post i do like that i bolded.

I don't want to be that guy who posts a hand in strat and then tries to disprove everybody who disagrees with the way he plays it but....I have seen people stack off with AQ, JJ and TT. If we include really bad players that also include 88, 99, AJ, AT...etc. Please don't try to say that we you raise from the CO and the SB 3-bets you that it's QQ+ and thats it. If people only 3bet with QQ+ then god damn do rush players get some hands because I've seen too many 3-bets for it to be QQ+. I think the only thing worse than simply folding to the 3-bet would be to just open fold. Again, not trying to be 'that guy', but I think folding to the 3-bet is the only thing I never ever do in this hand.

[XXEddie 0]

I disagree with the bolded part...rush poker plays like most live cash games, you're mostly getting three bet by AA, KK, or QQ.....while i dont mind flatting a three bet, i think just straight folding to it is best, since youre missing the flop most of the time and even if you hit your action is probably dead if ahead. The second part of his post i do like that i bolded.

Side note - The 'bold part' of BellaireDrew's post says this.."Id rather just fold to the 3 bet then 4bet/fold here"You say you disagree with that though you indicated that I should fold to the 3 bet. I don't understand....

[rbakken2504 0]

Side note - The 'bold part' of BellaireDrew's post says this.."Id rather just fold to the 3 bet then 4bet/fold here"You say you disagree with that though you indicated that I should fold to the 3 bet. I don't understand....

I was drunk, i dont quite understand what i was trying to post either.....But if the villain has a range as wide as TT+, AK ( which i think is too wide ) youre still a 3/2 dog against that range, even if you widen it to add 99 and AQ, youre still a slight dog against that range.

[Ninja Ace 1]

You will lose money long term shipping AK pre to full stacks at 10NL FR. Period. The play is not aggressive enough.

[KingJames 11]

4b sizing is too big as well. <150bbs we want to aim for like 22-32bbs (I think)And I am in the "don't 4b/fold AK" camp

[trystero 0]

You will lose money long term shipping AK pre to full stacks at 10NL FR. Period. The play is not aggressive enough.

I don't think I've ever agreed w/you beforeNow I do!

[XXEddie 0]

You will lose money long term shipping AK pre to full stacks at 10NL FR. Period. The play is not aggressive enough.

Mkay. Define what you mean by 'not aggressive enough'? I'm not being an ass I really just don't understand it.edit- so I get getting my stack in here is bad. What do I do in future spots like this? 4bet(less)/fold or flat. I'm leaning towards flat...?

[babylondonks 5]

4bet/calling>>>>>flatting>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4bet/folding pretty standard to 4 bet get it in here from the Co against a blind 3 bet. Like I guess flatting would be meh, but its going to be difficult playing it even in pos. Also when an A or K hits your prolly not going to get a ton of action from worse hands. 4 bet folding is dumb imo, its almost like turning AK into a bluff, Id rather just fold to the 3 bet then 4bet/fold here

I disagree with the bolded in the post above

[BellaireDrew 2]

I disagree with the bolded in the post above

HUD

[rrumsey 0]

you're in position, call the 3-bet pf

i di the same. OOP 4 bet

[rbakken2504 0]

Mkay. Define what you mean by 'not aggressive enough'? I'm not being an ass I really just don't understand it.edit- so I get getting my stack in here is bad. What do I do in future spots like this? 4bet(less)/fold or flat. I'm leaning towards flat...?

It depends on the opponent....against an unknown, prolly flat and tread carefully on further streets

[QED 4]

+1 for the flat 3bet in position. At 10NL they are only stacking off with AA, KK and AK unless they have shown themselves to be a nut bar previously.

[Ninja Ace 1]

Mkay. Define what you mean by 'not aggressive enough'? I'm not being an ass I really just don't understand it.

Most 10NL players accidentally gravitate towards nut peddling... even most of the "tight aggressive" ones will pretty much only raise with near nut hands on all streets... the only difference between them and the calling stations is that they will open preflop closer to correct. This is why most 10NL strategy is value bet like crazy and be extremely fearful of raises. In order to crush 10NL you will feel extremely weak/tight.

[rrumsey 0]

Most 10NL players accidentally gravitate towards nut peddling... even most of the "tight aggressive" ones will pretty much only raise with near nut hands on all streets... the only difference between them and the calling stations is that they will open preflop closer to correct. This is why most 10NL strategy is value bet like crazy and be extremely fearful of raises. In order to crush 10NL you will feel extremely weak/tight.

i agree with this, and i would like to add most people also tend to call small bets and fold or raise big bets, so when we wish to try and induce calls, just bet slightly bigger if we happen to be in a thinish bet fold kinda spot.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Don't have the HH and this is rush poker so no reads. I've always just felt odd putting in 100bb+ with just AK. Folding felt kinda weak as did just flatting the 3-bet.9 handedHero (CO) - $15Villain (SB) - $13.05/.10 NLHEHero is dealt AKo5 folds, Hero raises to .30, Button folds, SB raises to 1.30, BB folds, Hero raises to 4, SB shoves, Hero calls.Is this standard? Like I said I've always hated the idea of 'OMG I haz AK I arrin!!!'. Since my raise came in LP what is villain's range here? AQs+, 99+?? I dunno.. I was kinda lost and was wondering if this is standard. Is flatting the 3-bet an option? Is folding to the shove standard?

I think I'm just calling with AKo and a 13BB bet already on the table, and I don't think our raise gets called lighter. Calling the shove is OK if we know for sure villain does this ... "light" ... TT 99 88 AQ AJ ... Also, I don't know about anyone else, but it seems like see another AK here so often it's not funny. I think we can always argue pot control if the game is tight. We never should have 4bet to $4 without having a plan, because villain is only realistically doing 2 things: shoving or folding. And we hate the shoving option.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'm unfamiliar with the play in these games, but as a blanket statement, you should probably never be 4betting a hand for value that you're going to fold if you get shoved on when you're only 130bbs deep and in position. If you're out of position, there may be merits to doing this (depending on your opponent's range for shoving and you trying to negate your positional disadvantage), but if you're in position with a hand this strong, if you're not willing to stack off with it, then do not 4bet your opponent in the first place. Just call the 3bet and play poker.