RakeMyBlind 0 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Dont have a cow, heres your converted handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($1.00+$0.25) t25/t50 - 9 playersMP2: t630 HJ: t740 CO: t1,820 Button: t2,190 SB: t2,600 BB: t960 UTG: t1,470 UTG+1: t1,625 MP: t1,465 (Hero)Preflop: (t75) Hero is MP with (9 players)UTG raises to t200, UTG+1 folds, Hero ???OK, I think I should be shoving or folding. I think with the so many people left behind us and not being deep enough to setmine folding would be the correct play here. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Dont have a cow, heres your converted handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($1.00+$0.25) t25/t50 - 9 playersMP2: t630 HJ: t740 CO: t1,820 Button: t2,190 SB: t2,600 BB: t960 UTG: t1,470 UTG+1: t1,625 MP: t1,465 (Hero)Preflop: (t75) Hero is MP with (9 players)UTG raises to t200, UTG+1 folds, Hero ???OK, I think I should be shoving or folding. I think with the so many people left behind us and not being deep enough to setmine folding would be the correct play here. Thoughts?Flat Call this.Lead out on the flop with a min-raise and fold if he plays back to you. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I'd fold before shoving, and I think I'd fold before flatting too. We're not getting a good price to setmine and we don't want to have to call multiple streets with a 2nd pair type hand where we need to fold to any pressure. UTG raises are very strong in general and we generally want to play pretty tight in 9 man sngs for the first few levels Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I'd fold before shoving, and I think I'd fold before flatting too. We're not getting a good price to setmine and we don't want to have to call multiple streets with a 2nd pair type hand where we need to fold to any pressure. UTG raises are very strong in general and we generally want to play pretty tight in 9 man sngs for the first few levelsI was being sarcastic.Super strong UTG raises in those 1.40's tough. Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Lets assume he raises the top 10% of his hands UTG (in reality this is actually probably tighter [assuming you have no reads that he likes to raise a lot or something])When you plug it into pokerstove you get Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 pokerstove is completely useless in this spot you silly goose Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 This is almost certainly a fold Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 yeh...even tho 88 is decent holdings, i this is a fold Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 against what people 4x utg, 8's is impossible to play profitably, fold pre Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 pokerstove is completely useless in this spot you silly gooseAssuming the entire 10% calls your range, it isn't!Speaking pure hypotheticals. A sort of "best case scenario" for him. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 KTs is definitely raise/calling there, agree! Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 KTs is definitely raise/calling there, agree!OK take out KT and add in 77 and 66 instead then.Better?? Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 well if 77 and 66 call our jam then we merge our range and this looks like a solid shove! Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 the point is, his real raising range there is prob like 88+, AQ+ Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 ATs+ tho...it is a 1.40 bru Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 it is a 1.40 bru ^ ^ ^Buy-in affects ranges. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'm just trying to point out stove is almost useless here. I mean if somebody raises the BTN in a cash game and you have 77 in the blinds you don't stove it against BTN's raising range and realise you're ahead of like the 60% of hands he's opening here and 3bet/call it off Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'm just trying to point out stove is almost useless here. I mean if somebody raises the BTN in a cash game and you have 77 in the blinds you don't stove it against BTN's raising range and realise you're ahead of like the 60% of hands he's opening here and 3bet/call it offThat's what I've been doing wrong Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Ya know what...I assumed the blinds were 50/100 and UTG minraised to 200.I was operating under the assumption that UTG will call near 100% of all shoves, hence where pokerstove becomes applicable.With this new-found nugget of info...pretty easy fold. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 let's never fight again <3 Link to post Share on other sites
Eba12 0 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 id fold Link to post Share on other sites
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