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So my deepest run ever in the 1/4 million today. Was chipleader with about 900 people left, and managed to stay healthy stacked until about 200 people left. Then made a mean come back, and with about 30 people left this hand came up. I had just doubled up the hand before. PokerStars Game #46358717315: Tournament #318010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (50000/100000) - 2010/07/05 13:43:02 NZT [2010/07/04 21:43:02 ET] Table '318010003 1850' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 2: UTG+1 (1094591 in chips) Seat 3: MP1 (1803367 in chips) Seat 4: MP2 (2207268 in chips) Seat 5: Hero (1928646 in chips) Seat 6: Button (4758957 in chips) Seat 7: SB (1332130 in chips) Seat 8: BB (1280449 in chips) Seat 9: UTG (5941347 in chips) UTG+1: posts the ante 10000 MP1: posts the ante 10000 MP2: posts the ante 10000 Hero: posts the ante 10000 Button: posts the ante 10000 SB: posts the ante 10000 BB: posts the ante 10000 UTG: posts the ante 10000 SB: posts small blind 50000 BB: posts big blind 100000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [A♥ Q♥] UTG: folds UTG+1: folds MP1: folds MP2: folds Hero: raises 144999 to 244999 Button: folds SB: folds BB: calls 144999 *** FLOP *** [A♦ 8♦ 6♥] BB: checks Hero: bets 1673647 and is all-in BB: calls 1025450 and is all-in Uncalled bet (648197) returned to Hero *** TURN *** [A♦ 8♦ 6♥] [9♦] *** RIVER *** [A♦ 8♦ 6♥ 9♦] [T♥] *** SHOW DOWN *** BB: shows [2♦ Q♦] (a flush, Ace high) Hero: shows [A♥ Q♥] (a pair of Aces) BB collected 2670898 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2670898 | Rake 0 Board [A♦ 8♦ 6♥ 9♦ T♥] Seat 2: UTG+1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: MP1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: MP2 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Hero showed [A♥ Q♥] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 6: Button (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: SB (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 8: BB (big blind) showed [2♦ Q♦] and won (2670898) with a flush, Ace high Seat 9: UTG folded before Flop (didn't bet) Opponent min raise nit Hero it was more than a minraise Opponent 40k Opponent thx Hero 2.5x is pretty standard Thoughts? This is the hand that killed my chances of taking it down. Other than that pretty stoked with my performance. Satted into it from a $2 tourney.

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This looks to me like more an excuse to post a 'bad beat' so instead of giving you advice (since it was fine preflop and you KNOW that) I will just say unlucky.Unlucky :club:

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This looks to me like more an excuse to post a 'bad beat' so instead of giving you advice (since it was fine preflop and you KNOW that) I will just say unlucky.Unlucky :club:
THISBut allow me to add that I would have received my first ever chat ban for the expletive-laced tirade I would have unleashed on this POS for giving any sort of critique moments after being sucked out on with 30 peeps left in like the deepest weekly tourney around. So congrats on staying level headed.
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Nice run (ie: thinly veiled brag/bad beat post...nice!)...However...while your PF bet was not technically a min raise, it was definitely TOO SMALL, imo. With 280K in the pot already, which indicates you have an M of just under 7, SHOVE THE STACK. You're just asking for a suckout.

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Nice run (ie: thinly veiled brag/bad beat post...nice!)...However...while your PF bet was not technically a min raise, it was definitely TOO SMALL, imo. With 280K in the pot already, which indicates you have an M of just under 7, SHOVE THE STACK. You're just asking for a suckout.
this is pretty bad advice
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this is pretty bad advice
I calc'd the M incorrectly. There's 240K and Hero has an M of 8. How is it a bad play to shove that from the cut off?FTR, I'm just wondering if TrueAce is just trying to wind me up...
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I calc'd the M incorrectly. There's 240K and Hero has an M of 8. How is it a bad play to shove that from the cut off?FTR, I'm just wondering if TrueAce is just trying to wind me up...
It's 10 minute levels. The shove-level M is more around 4-6 than 7-8. Raise/calling a shove is optimal.
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It's 10 minute levels. The shove-level M is more around 4-6 than 7-8. Raise/calling a shove is optimal.
So....Hero should have shoved? Or Hero should have folded BECAUSE he was likely to get called? Option 2 doesn't make much sense because isn't it pretty standard to shove AQ from cutoff regardless? Or is it because Hero is at the FT and should hope to get a better hand in the orbit?
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when talking about the advice, i shove is definitely a good play...all i read was that "raise size was toooo small or w/e)But we can definitely raise/call here as well

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So....Hero should have shoved? Or Hero should have folded BECAUSE he was likely to get called? Option 2 doesn't make much sense because isn't it pretty standard to shove AQ from cutoff regardless? Or is it because Hero is at the FT and should hope to get a better hand in the orbit?
There's no way you're this stupid.At no point did I say fold. In 10 minute levels, the stack sizes are going to be lower in relation to blinds, so EVERYONE'S M range goes down. Kind of like how normally the "need to shove range" is 10 BBs but in Turbos its 5?We're also raising without shoving here in order to induce a weak resteal by villain.He's also not at the FT. He says that in the OP.How do you get through your day without getting hit by a bus?
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So my deepest run ever in the 1/4 million today. Was chipleader with about 900 people left, and managed to stay healthy stacked until about 200 people left. Then made a mean come back, and with about 30 people left this hand came up. I had just doubled up the hand before. PokerStars Game #46358717315: Tournament #318010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIII (50000/100000) - 2010/07/05 13:43:02 NZT [2010/07/04 21:43:02 ET] Table '318010003 1850' 9-max Seat #6 is the button UTG+1: posts the ante 10000 MP1: posts the ante 10000 MP2: posts the ante 10000 Hero: posts the ante 10000 Button: posts the ante 10000 SB: posts the ante 10000 BB: posts the ante 10000 UTG: posts the ante 10000 SB: posts small blind 50000 BB: posts big blind 100000 Hero 2.5x is pretty standard Thoughts? This is the hand that killed my chances of taking it down. Other than that pretty stoked with my performance. Satted into it from a $2 tourney.
2.5 with antes is a min raise
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There's no way you're this stupid.How do you get through your day without getting hit by a bus?
New sig...and yes 2.5x is only standard w/o antes. standard moves up to 3x with antes.
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I 2.5x it or even smaller with antes ...... i suck tho :/
Yeah I go around a little smaller than 2.5 with antes.It's also obviously really dependent on how the people behind you are playing.
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Where the fuck are you people getting this "3x is standard with antes" bullshit?It is most definitely NOT standard. You are just as able to get away going 2.3-2.7x as 3x.I'll hardly ever be making it more than 2.5x in this spot.

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Where the fuck are you people getting this "3x is standard with antes" bullshit?It is most definitely NOT standard. You are just as able to get away going 2.3-2.7x as 3x.I'll hardly ever be making it more than 2.5x in this spot.
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