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[iBeaver 409]

 

 

Same here - I'm going in late May/early June. Leaving the kids with the in-laws and doing Universal and Disney (mostly Disney) for my wife's 30th because we're hard-ass cool like that. Anyone have tips for doing Disney? We're already into booking and research mode (which it seems like you have to do months in advance to get some of the 'special' stuff) and we're staying on the resort and going without kids so we should be pretty flexible.

 

It has already been negotiated that our first meal will be at the Hot Dog Hall of Fame.

 

Jin's sisters mom (yeah) actually is a Disney travel agent. I don't know if being in Canada is an issue but I could get the info for you.

[Babying 613]

Jin's sisters mom (yeah) actually is a Disney travel agent. I don't know if being in Canada is an issue but I could get the info for you.

 

I am confused

[Babying 613]

Same here - I'm going in late May/early June. Leaving the kids with the in-laws and doing Universal and Disney (mostly Disney) for my wife's 30th because we're hard-ass cool like that. Anyone have tips for doing Disney? We're already into booking and research mode (which it seems like you have to do months in advance to get some of the 'special' stuff) and we're staying on the resort and going without kids so we should be pretty flexible.

 

It has already been negotiated that our first meal will be at the Hot Dog Hall of Fame.

 

Go to Disney without your kids? I personally would not do that. Actually I don't take vacations without the kids. They pretty much go wherever we go. My little girls even want to go to Vegas again. Red Rock Canyon, Circus Circus, Pinball HOF, Fremont Street, that flower thing at the Bellagio and the best thing they loved was the room at the Trump.

[iBeaver 409]

 

 

I am confused

 

Yes it does that.

 

Jin has a half sister (same mom) who is 8. She was adopted over 7 years ago by a family about an hour drive away.

[iBeaver 409]

 

 

Go to Disney without your kids? I personally would not do that. Actually I don't take vacations without the kids. They pretty much go wherever we go. My little girls even want to go to Vegas again. Red Rock Canyon, Circus Circus, Pinball HOF, Fremont Street, that flower thing at the Bellagio and the best thing they loved was the room at the Trump.

 

Your kids are older. He got what a 4 yr old and a newborn?

[mrdannyg 274]

Wait a minute...

 

You are going to Disney and NOT taking the kids...

 

LOl...Well your kids are probably too young anyways..We took Adrian to Disneyland in California when he was 4...I am waiting a couple of more years till Mateo gets a bit older to do Florida

 

They'll be about 3.5 and 1 when we go. The older one isn't really into Disney yet, and couldn't care less about rides, etc. I'd love to take a trip with him (and the whole family) when they're older, but he'd have more fun playing in the sprinkler for an hour in the backyard than going to Disney for a week!

 

Now, if it was Pixar (only) instead of Disney, we might have a different story...

 

Jin's sisters mom (yeah) actually is a Disney travel agent. I don't know if being in Canada is an issue but I could get the info for you.

 

I appreciate it, but I think being from Canada there'd be too many differences. We have most of the big stuff booked already anyway.

[Babying 613]

Your kids are older. He got what a 4 yr old and a newborn?

I took my girls when they were 4 and 1. My 4 year old still knows remembers every detail when she went. The 1 year old does not remember anything but loves to see the pictures we took.

[Babying 613]

Yes it does that.

 

Jin has a half sister (same mom) who is 8. She was adopted over 7 years ago by a family about an hour drive away.

 

This is absolutely cool how it worked out.

[mrdannyg 274]

I took my girls when they were 4 and 1. My 4 year old still knows remembers every detail when she went. The 1 year old does not remember anything but loves to see the pictures we took.

 

That's cool that the 4-year old still remembers. The 1-year old is definitely going to hate us when she is into Disney and finds out we didn't take her...

[Babying 613]

Has anyone signed up to the new OLG site.

[serge 904]

Playoff football is so fun.

 

I'm on the dogs today.

 

 

[Ottawa_Biatch 288]

Looks like my only futures to get to the final four is Colts at 30:1.

 

Tmw I have the Oregon Ducks at 10:1. Thinking about hedging, but then I thought I could put a nice sum on Ohio St. +5.5 and then hedge but also have a chance of it middling and winning both bets.

[Babying 613]

Go Biatch Go.

 

That was a Dez Bryant catch and I am not a Cowboys fan.

 

I was a big fan of the over.

[MapleLeafpoker 1,462]

played the Cowboys ML, in play, at +330.

 

damn NFL.

[Dubey 1,035]

Devastating loss You won't convince me they made the right call, even given the current stupid rule. With that said, Rodgers was unstoppable in the second half, and it's not even close to a guarantee that the Cowboys would have won even if it was rightly called a catch, but it just hurts to lose a game I feel like we should have won.

 

 

on the brighter side. I've made the decision, and I'm going to the super bowl (99% sure). Just need my brother to confirm the tickets for me tomorrow. I thought it over after the Cowboys were eliminated today and decided that I still wanted to go. As you guys said, it's an opportunity I probably won't have again in my life.

[pezeveng 207]

Detroit got jobbed way worse than Dallas did!

 

Plus Dallas lost that game with 1 min to go in the half throwing the ball instead of running it on 3rd and 1. Romo is a average q1 at best and is very bad at making decisions, only reason why Dallas had the season they did is because they ran the ball 20+ times a game.

 

Romo took so many bad sacks even outside the pocket he doesn't have the sense to throw the ball away instead he takes the sacks.

[Dubey 1,035]

Detroit got jobbed way worse than Dallas did!

 

Plus Dallas lost that game with 1 min to go in the half throwing the ball instead of running it on 3rd and 1. Romo is a average q1 at best and is very bad at making decisions, only reason why Dallas had the season they did is because they ran the ball 20+ times a game.

 

Romo took so many bad sacks even outside the pocket he doesn't have the sense to throw the ball away instead he takes the sacks.

 

Are you trying to provoke me? if so, good job, you succeeded.

 

 

Firstly, I didn't say Dallas got jobbed. I clearly said that they got the call wrong (they did), but they cost themselves the game on other plays. If we are talking about impact of the bad call on the game? the detroit call changed the win probability of detroit by 12%, the Dallas/Dez call changed the win probability by over 40%. Big difference.

 

 

For an "average QB1 who makes bad decisions", Romo has put up incredible numbers on pretty bad football teams throughout the course of his career. You should stop spewing ESPN talking head nonsense narratives. If you think Romo cost the cowboys that game you are drunk, or stupid, or both.

 

 

It's easy to say that he took 2 bad sacks watching from home. The pocket collapsed on him instantly and he had nowhere to run. Sometimes taking the sack is the best option. Armchair QBs are always gonna armchair QB though I guess. The 3rd & 1 was a bad play call but we don't know who made that call, and that was just 1 play of hundreds that happened in the game. He was 15/19 with 2 TDs and 0 INTs and a passer rating of over 140. There's always going to be idiots that try to pin things on Romo because that's the narrative, even though it's not based on facts.

 

 

"Romo took so many bad sacks even outside the pocket he doesn't have the sense to throw the ball away instead he takes the sacks."

 

 

This is just so laughably incorrect that I hesitate to even respond to it. Romo rarely (like, extremely rarely) gets sacked outside the pocket. He is actually one of the better QBs in the league at avoiding the sack when he can and making big plays otuside of the pocket. He is excellent at throwing the ball away when there is an oppurtunity to do so and there are no better options. He also generally knows when there is no hope when he is in the pocket (where you can't just "throw it away") and takes the sack rather than trying to force a pass or scramble from the pocket. I know I am talking to a brick wall because some people make up their mind about a player and refuse to let the mountains of evidence to the contrary change their mind, but whatever, don't post nonsensical crap about my team the day after they got eliminated from the playoffs.

[pezeveng 207]

Wow Dubey calm down man. First off calling me names is not needed, you are one of the guys on here that I respect and like so no need to be that way.

 

A 15 of 19 for 191 yards is not a stellar passing game couldn't care less what the rating is.

 

If you think it was Romo that got them this far you are really insulting Murray and the Defense.

 

I bet Dallas yesterday so I was cheering for them, and that call was the right call according to the rule (stupid rule) but thats what it is.

[Dubey 1,035]

Wow Dubey calm down man. First off calling me names is not needed, you are one of the guys on here that I respect and like so no need to be that way.

 

A 15 of 19 for 191 yards is not a stellar passing game couldn't care less what the rating is.

 

If you think it was Romo that got them this far you are really insulting Murray and the Defense.

 

I bet Dallas yesterday so I was cheering for them, and that call was the right call according to the rule (stupid rule) but thats what it is.

 

 

regarding name calling, you are right. I get way too fired up about this stuff. I apologize. I need to take a few minutes to calm down before pressing the post button. You are still wrong though about everything else.

 

 

1. Romo. 15/19 for 196 and 2 TDs is a very very impressive passing line. You can't complete passes on passes that aren't called. That's why Yards per attempt is widely considered one of the most important stats to use to evaluate a QB. Romo lead the league in YPA this year, and has consistently been a top5 guy in that regard for his career.

 

2. As to who got them this far. Romo is by far the most important, valuable, and irreplaceable single player on the team, and it's not particularly close.

 

top reasons for Cowboys success this year:

 

1. Romo

2. (close 2nd)Offensive Line. In particular: Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zach Martin

2b. Offensive Play calling. Run heavy approach. clock control

3. Jason Witten

4. Dez Bryant

5. Rest of recieving core

6. Demarco Murray

7. Defense

 

 

Murray is a great runner, but like all running backs, they are mostly a product of their system. Murray cannot run without the great work of the O-line in run blocking. The run game does not work without Romo's stellar passing game. See Demarco Murray's numbers with Brandon Weeden under center, underwhelming at best. Murray will likely walk this year, and you will see another RB, be it Randle, or a free agent, perform exceptionally well next year in the same offensive package. The defense was passable. 20th ranked in the league I believe? The Defense performed better than expected because of an excellent work ethic instilled by Rod Marinelli, but more importantly, because of the offense's ability to control possesion and keep the defense off the field, so they were always rested, and not overexposed.

[pezeveng 207]

Will agree to disagree on this, I did bet Dallas yesterday at +5.5 and won my props ticket.

 

Romo under

Murray over

long rush over

long fg under

 

$40 paid $312

 

I got nothing but love for the cowboys. Better luck next year as a gambler I would have had an easier time betting the cowboys seahawks game than GB-Seattle!

[Dubey 1,035]

Also, with regards to the catch. Even given the current rule, there is too much ambiguity in the rulebook as to what constitutes a "Football play" to overturn the call on the field there. At some point he is no longer in the process of making a catch, and he is trying to advance the ball. There has to be irrefutable evidence to overturn a call on the field, and the call on the field was that it was a completed pass, therefore the call on the field should have stood.

[Babying 613]

I though the call should have been a catch plus fumble. He took 3 steps imo. Mind you I do have blinders on since I took the over for a shinny penny.

 

Stuff like this is why I gamble. Just like when Golden Tate supposedly caught that pass in the Seahawks/Packers game. I had Seattle there and felt like I rob the bank on that play.

[Dubey 1,035]

Will agree to disagree on this,

 

 

This is why Arguing about Tony Romo is the least satisfying/most annoying thing to do in the entire world.

 

It always goes something like:

 

"Tony Romo Sucks/Isn't very good/Is a choker etc.."

 

Me: "Actually, you are wrong, Here are several factual reasons why"

 

"Well, agree to disagree"

 

 

We skipped the "doesn't win when it counts, can't perform under pressure" part of the argument, so I guess that's a positive.

[pezeveng 207]

This is why Arguing about Tony Romo is the least satisfying/most annoying thing to do in the entire world.

 

It always goes something like:

 

"Tony Romo Sucks/Isn't very good/Is a choker etc.."

 

Me: "Actually, you are wrong, Here are several factual reasons why"

 

"Well, agree to disagree"

 

 

We skipped the "doesn't win when it counts, can't perform under pressure" part of the argument, so I guess that's a positive.

 

Not debating just discussing.

 

Its amazing that in a country of over 300 million its impossible to find 30 athletes than can be elite qb's.

 

I didn't say Romo sucks I said he's avg, I should have said he's above avg as avg in the NFL isn't that good. I think Brady, Manning, and Rogers are the top 3 qb's over last 10 years than the list is all over the place. Everyone likes to put Ben, Eli, Brees, and Flacco in the next group because they have all won superbowls. I don't know where Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck fit yet, Than there's the Ryan, Romo, Dalton, and Rivers group.

 

Its funny but true win a superbowl and they put you in a different group. From that second group only Brees had to throw more than 30 passes a game on a regular basis. The other 3 had great defenses behind him and a running game, everyone know a great defense makes the offense better.

 

Personally only Brees and eventually Luck and Wilson is ahead of the rest Eli, Ben, Flacco, Ryan, Romo, Dalton, and Rivers are all up for debate.

 

When its all said and done, if dallas got rid of Romo who the hell would you bring in? Back to my first thought in a country of over 300 million you can't find 30 athletes to play this position.

[Dubey 1,035]

yeah I think if you look at the last 10 years, I'd put the top group as: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees. Then I'd have Romo in the next group that includes: Big Ben, Flacco, Romo. I'd put everyone else a tier down. Guys like Eli, Rivers, Dalton etc..

 

 

As for current skill level, as in, who would I want to start a playoff game for me tomorrow, my top group is: Rodgers, Brady, Romo in that order. Second group is: Luck, Wilson, Big Ben, n that order.. third tier is:Flacco, Eli, Rivers, Kapernick, Dalton, Stafford, Palmer etc.. in no particular order, and unless we get some injury revelation, Peyton has fallen out of the elite.

 

 

I'd consider the following to be elite current QBs:

Rodgers

Brady

Romo

Luck

Wilson

Big Ben

 

 

then there's about 6 guys who I consider good to very good. Every other team is, or should be, constantly looking to upgrade. You are correct, a good starting QB in the NFL is probably the toughest position in all of sports to fill.