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Let them have there day,if you dont like it or you think Wsop is wrong than play in another tournament series. The event has been around since the 1977s before i was born why change it now.The only thing is the player points should'nt count also the bracelet should not count. For the same token Pete Sampras would want to play in thr junior championship beacuse he feels hes been discrimanted against his age its not fair that he cant play in the U14 singles, come on grow up have some common sense. its Called the LADIES EVENT for petes sake..

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There are also the Casino Employee Event and the Seniors Event. Do these exhibit discrimination also??? I agree that it is just the WSOP reaching out to let people, who might not normally play in an open event, have something special just for them. I REALLY can't imagine a man wanting to tell people that he won a bracelet in the Woman's Event.

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My post on Annie Duke's site:Ms. Duke, while you are clearly an intelligent and successful person, I feel your energy and effort regarding this issue is a waste of your valuable time and God given talents. Why choose such a small, insignificant womens’ issue to champion? I think you have a self serving, hidden agenda with regard to this issue, although I’m not quite certain what it is. While it is well within your right to express your views on any issue, your attempts to help women by destroying something they obviously enjoy and find great value in seem counterproductive. If you don’t believe in the event, simply choose not to play it, as you have done, and leave it at that. There are many more important and substantive issues that would be better served by your intelligence and “Bully Pulpit”. I would love to read more of your opinions on the oppression of women in the Muslim world, sexual mutilation of females in some cultures, “Honor killings”, arranged marriages, etc, etc. It seems shallow and self serving to defend women who have neither asked for nor needed your “Help” in attempting to destroy an event that they obviously find great value in. You should really ponder changing your boast from “Worlds greatest Female Poker Player” to “The self appointed conscience of Poker”. Railing for equality, while at the same time stratifying yourself as the “Best Female Poker Player” seems hypocritical at best. Don’t you just hate the “Sheriff” at the Poker table? Put your badge down, and continue to play a GAME that you are obviously good at. Try not to take yourself so seriously, you’re not curing Cancer here.In the spirit of full disclosure, my Wife played in the Ladies event last weekend as her first ever “Major” event, managed to cash, and found the experience to be a tremendous and rewarding accomplishment. As a busy and very successful professional, this was the only event that meshed with her busy schedule. Please don’t marginalize her accomplishment with the imposition of your personal agenda. She is very intelligent, well educated, and a fervent advocate of Women’s rights. She financed the buy in by beating a table full of Men in a $125.00 Satellite on Thursday, she has no “fear” of Men at the Poker table, or anywhere else. Please try and remember when you were first “working your way up the ladder” and all of the obstacles you had to navigate around to get to where you are now. Don’t be one of those obstacles that prevent others from realizing their dreams. Choose a more important issue/venue to define your beliefs. Women everywhere will be better served if you do.

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I'd never play in a woman's event but I don't think it would be "wrong" to. It's sexist. It completely goes against the idea that women are equal and thus are needed to have their own event playing against other bad amateurs, most of which do not have the innate sense of aggression which is necessary to be a great tournament player. It's pretty unfair that really good players like Annette15 and locoencabeza get to play a huge 1k field with the biggest edge in the world just because they are women. The bottom line is that it's fun for everyone and that's fine and I think no guys should ever enter it, but any women who argues that they shouldn't or even cares, is being sexist against themselves. It's so hypocritical that it boggles my mind.
Women are not equal to men. People often confuse equal rights with equal ability. Just because we grant women equal rights (and it is right to do so) does not mean we need to pretend they are identical to men in all of their skills. They are are clearly biologically different, and therefore are better than men at some things and worse at other things -- like basketball for example. To recognize this is not sexism.In this case their is a clear cultural reason why women are not in general as good as men at poker, and potentially deeper biological reasons, although that part is debatable. It's not sexist to notice this or to somehow account for it.
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Women are not equal to men. People often confuse equal rights with equal ability. Just because we grant women equal rights (and it is right to do so) does not mean we need to pretend they are identical to men in all of their skills. They are are clearly biologically different, and therefore are better than men at some things and worse at other things -- like basketball for example. To recognize this is not sexism.In this case their is a clear cultural reason why women are not in general as good as men at poker, and potentially deeper biological reasons, although that part is debatable. It's not sexist to notice this or to somehow account for it.
Correct, your simply being observant.
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DN's point is well stated and I for one agree that this is an incredibly petty issue. The one thing that is not being discussed is the awesome subtext, i.e. his hate for Annie Duke. Thats the real fun here.Hear, hear here!

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This article changed my mind, it's points are a bit better than DN's.http://www.pokernews.com/news/2010/06/2010...parade-8423.htmBut here’s the thing. Ladies’ events do exist. And a lot of women enjoy them. Who am I to go and ruin their good time? The entire concept of ladies’ events is to draw more women to tournament poker and give them more confidence, not to drive them away. For many women’s poker organizations like the LIPS tour and the High Heels Poker Tour, the WSOP Ladies’ Event is their Super Bowl. For the fifth year in a row, more than 1,000 women bought in. For a good percentage of them, it’s the centerpiece of the one weekend a year they can get away, spend time with fellow players, socialize, strategize, and compete against each other with some serious money on the line.Quoted from the article
good point and article. I had a trip planned last week and it got canceled due to my health. I was planning to play an event however it was not the ladies event. My choice was the Stud event over the ladies event. Reason being, my stud game is better than my NLHE. I enjoy stud more than nlhe , the game is more challenging for me. I might of done ok in the ladies event but for me I wanted the bigger challenge even if I was out classed.
maybe a battle of the sexes tournament? women sign up to play on one half, men the other half. the two winners meet heads up to finish it for a trophy/bracelet/whatever. cap it at 1500 per side so they finish at about the same time.
On Q's post , we play every Sunday a battle of the sexes game on HF with bounty's going for taking out the opposite sex they are fun, also banners goes out to the Top Dick or Top Chick for that month who ever wins for the month. They are fun and the bantering is hilarious As for Annie Duke's comments well, there has never been much respect there, as she really doesn't rally much for women in poker other than herself. Looshle I am not even going to go there. Vb has some points, and as for aggression I would love to see you up against Vanessa any day. I will put my money on her against you anytime.Scott for your post , totally bite me lol Yes us women are totally different than you men, thank goodness, but without us were would the fun be
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Second post to Ms DiukeMs. Duke,With all due respect, what is the functional difference between “Destroying” an event, and “Having it removed from the schedule”, or having the event “not exist”?————————————————-Annie Duke Wrote:“Before I get into why I think the event should be removed from the schedule, I want to say from the start that I have no disrespect whatsoever for anyone woman who plays in the event. I believe strongly in personal choice and if a fellow woman chooses to participate in the event then more power to her. I get why someone would love playing it. All I hope is that every woman who plays in it is making an informed decision. And If after thinking it through if a woman decides that the upside for her outweighs the downside then that is her personal choice and I totally respect that and will fight for her right to choose to play as long as the event exists.So let me get into why I think the event should not exist and also answer some of the very common arguments that I hear for it.”—————————————-It appears to me at first blush that you have processed some of the information/opinions presented to you, and realize that only a Megalomaniac (an abnormal mental state characterized by delusions of grandeur in which one believes oneself to be a person of great importance, power, fame, or wealth) would wish something to go away or cease to exist because they did not agree with it. As an intelligent, rational being, you couldn’t possibly agree that anything you do not like, or disagree with, should be “removed”, or cease to “exist”. What is the real issue here? I really am trying to understand why so much focus is put on this seemingly harmless event by a few outspoken Pros. I do believe that Mr. Negraneau lost sight of his argument with some of the parallels he attempted to make in his recent post. Is the Ladies only event that reviled among the Poker Illuminati? What is the real reason? My Wife told me that she recognized many top Female Pros playing in the event, so it is certainly not universally despised. If some Pros feel it is beneath them to play with so many amateurs, I’d have to reply that a “top tier” Pro hasn’t won the main event in quite some time. Has the proletariat sullied the sacred Poker grounds? Please enlighten me, I am genuinely interested in the answer. The common folk are the sole source of all of the fame and money that has come with the “Moneymaker” effect. No one seems to be complaining that the Main event winner is now pulling down several Million dollars, instead of a few hundred thousand dollars from a win not that long ago. Should the great unwashed simply drop off their donations to the prize pool, and go back where they belong? As my Momma used to say “Never get too big for your britches and think you are better than everyone, cause none of us came out of our Mommas as “Pros” at anything”. Everyone starts at the bottom, and works hard to achieve their goals. Some people do get a leg up if they have a sibling to show them the way, but that’s just getting lucky, now isn’t it?

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They are are clearly biologically different, and therefore are better than men at some things and worse at other things -- like basketball for example.
Water is also wet.
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Second post to Ms DiukeMs. Duke,With all due respect, what is the functional difference between “Destroying” an event, and “Having it removed from the schedule”, or having the event “not exist”?————————————————-Annie Duke Wrote:“Before I get into why I think the event should be removed from the schedule, I want to say from the start that I have no disrespect whatsoever for anyone woman who plays in the event. I believe strongly in personal choice and if a fellow woman chooses to participate in the event then more power to her. I get why someone would love playing it. All I hope is that every woman who plays in it is making an informed decision. And If after thinking it through if a woman decides that the upside for her outweighs the downside then that is her personal choice and I totally respect that and will fight for her right to choose to play as long as the event exists.So let me get into why I think the event should not exist and also answer some of the very common arguments that I hear for it.”—————————————-It appears to me at first blush that you have processed some of the information/opinions presented to you, and realize that only a Megalomaniac (an abnormal mental state characterized by delusions of grandeur in which one believes oneself to be a person of great importance, power, fame, or wealth) would wish something to go away or cease to exist because they did not agree with it. As an intelligent, rational being, you couldn’t possibly agree that anything you do not like, or disagree with, should be “removed”, or cease to “exist”. What is the real issue here? I really am trying to understand why so much focus is put on this seemingly harmless event by a few outspoken Pros. I do believe that Mr. Negraneau lost sight of his argument with some of the parallels he attempted to make in his recent post. Is the Ladies only event that reviled among the Poker Illuminati? What is the real reason? My Wife told me that she recognized many top Female Pros playing in the event, so it is certainly not universally despised. If some Pros feel it is beneath them to play with so many amateurs, I’d have to reply that a “top tier” Pro hasn’t won the main event in quite some time. Has the proletariat sullied the sacred Poker grounds? Please enlighten me, I am genuinely interested in the answer. The common folk are the sole source of all of the fame and money that has come with the “Moneymaker” effect. No one seems to be complaining that the Main event winner is now pulling down several Million dollars, instead of a few hundred thousand dollars from a win not that long ago. Should the great unwashed simply drop off their donations to the prize pool, and go back where they belong? As my Momma used to say “Never get too big for your britches and think you are better than everyone, cause none of us came out of our Mommas as “Pros” at anything”. Everyone starts at the bottom, and works hard to achieve their goals. Some people do get a leg up if they have a sibling to show them the way, but that’s just getting lucky, now isn’t it?
Your efforts would be better spent addressing the matter with someone other than Annie Duke. Not only is she very unlikely to change her mind on the issue, but she is also not the person who decides if the event remains. Why not send the message to people that are actually at the fulcrum of the issue (i.e. the people that set the schedule).
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My post on Annie Duke's site:Ms. Duke, while you are clearly an intelligent and successful person, I feel your energy and effort regarding this issue is a waste of your valuable time and God given talents. Why choose such a small, insignificant womens’ issue to champion? I think you have a self serving, hidden agenda with regard to this issue, although I’m not quite certain what it is. While it is well within your right to express your views on any issue, your attempts to help women by destroying something they obviously enjoy and find great value in seem counterproductive. If you don’t believe in the event, simply choose not to play it, as you have done, and leave it at that. There are many more important and substantive issues that would be better served by your intelligence and “Bully Pulpit”. I would love to read more of your opinions on the oppression of women in the Muslim world, sexual mutilation of females in some cultures, “Honor killings”, arranged marriages, etc, etc. It seems shallow and self serving to defend women who have neither asked for nor needed your “Help” in attempting to destroy an event that they obviously find great value in. You should really ponder changing your boast from “Worlds greatest Female Poker Player” to “The self appointed conscience of Poker”. Railing for equality, while at the same time stratifying yourself as the “Best Female Poker Player” seems hypocritical at best. Don’t you just hate the “Sheriff” at the Poker table? Put your badge down, and continue to play a GAME that you are obviously good at. Try not to take yourself so seriously, you’re not curing Cancer here.In the spirit of full disclosure, my Wife played in the Ladies event last weekend as her first ever “Major” event, managed to cash, and found the experience to be a tremendous and rewarding accomplishment. As a busy and very successful professional, this was the only event that meshed with her busy schedule. Please don’t marginalize her accomplishment with the imposition of your personal agenda. She is very intelligent, well educated, and a fervent advocate of Women’s rights. She financed the buy in by beating a table full of Men in a $125.00 Satellite on Thursday, she has no “fear” of Men at the Poker table, or anywhere else. Please try and remember when you were first “working your way up the ladder” and all of the obstacles you had to navigate around to get to where you are now. Don’t be one of those obstacles that prevent others from realizing their dreams. Choose a more important issue/venue to define your beliefs. Women everywhere will be better served if you do.
I do love your posts and there are a few woman poker group out there that would love to hear and fight for the cause, Highheels Poker, 100,000 Women Poker Players United! and one of the groups I posted above in one of there articles( Woman poker Player magazine ). Also Linda Johnson runs a group for or use too from the ladies WPT group.
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Women are not equal to men. People often confuse equal rights with equal ability. Just because we grant women equal rights (and it is right to do so) does not mean we need to pretend they are identical to men in all of their skills. They are are clearly biologically different, and therefore are better than men at some things and worse at other things -- like basketball for example. To recognize this is not sexism.In this case their is a clear cultural reason why women are not in general as good as men at poker, and potentially deeper biological reasons, although that part is debatable. It's not sexist to notice this or to somehow account for it.
Correct, your simply being observant.
His wife actually stood behind him while he typed that out.
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Poker is mental. The aggression level that men have the innate sense of can be learned when people become much better at the game. I don't feel like women < men mentally at all and having a special event just for them which vehemently discludes men is insulting to women's intelligence.

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What's the big deal about a women's event? People are reading way too much into this. It's not about who's smarter or who's better or anything like that. It's just about what type of company you'd like to spend time with while playing the game. I used to be in a men's 9-ball league a while ago. There were women's leagues and mixed leagues as well. Nobody thought there was anything sexist about it. It just depends who you feel like playing with.

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Bottom Line Daniels right with his latest blogs, Annie Duke way out of line as she not the greatest female Poker player ever. Lady your far off your rocker if anything maybe the most hated. As far as poker goes, I will play against anyone does matter gender.

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Hi Daniel/FCP, I’ve read both sides of this issue and while both have their points, I have an interesting solution to it. Why not have both a ladies and mens tournament running at the same time then the final winners of each tournament square off in a heads up battle for a real WSOP bracelet with the recognition of who played better poker in the tournament…men or the ladies…what do you think of this? :club:

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Hi Daniel/FCP, I’ve read both sides of this issue and while both have their points, I have an interesting solution to it. Why not have both a ladies and mens tournament running at the same time then the final winners of each tournament square off in a heads up battle for a real WSOP bracelet with the recognition of who played better poker in the tournament…men or the ladies…what do you think of this? :club:
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Hi Daniel/FCP, I’ve read both sides of this issue and while both have their points, I have an interesting solution to it. Why not have both a ladies and mens tournament running at the same time then the final winners of each tournament square off in a heads up battle for a real WSOP bracelet with the recognition of who played better poker in the tournament…men or the ladies…what do you think of this? :club:
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Hi Daniel/FCP, I’ve read both sides of this issue and while both have their points, I have an interesting solution to it. Why not have both a ladies and mens tournament running at the same time then the final winners of each tournament square off in a heads up battle for a real WSOP bracelet with the recognition of who played better poker in the tournament…men or the ladies…what do you think of this? :club:
Or take the 2 winners and force them to reproduce creating a super poker baby.
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I have another idea. Why don't we just leave it the **** the way it is, don't try and fix what's not broken, and stop pretending this is even remotely worth the time and effort people have already wasted debating it. The WSOP will want to keep it as it does bring players who wouldn't otherwise play, thus increasing their $ and potential future $. So the Casino wins, the WSOP wins, the Ladies win, and poker wins. Why bother any more than that if it is causing no-one any harm? People like Annie Duke, Shaun Deeb, etc. seem to be fighting a cause for the sake of fighting a cause, as I imagine the remaining 11.5 months of every year they don't think about it for a second.

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