1/2 Live

[hartman72 0]

This hand occured a couple days ago at my nearby casino. I am OK with how I played the hand, except maybe on the flop. Was surprised at what SB had and VERY surprised by what 2nd position had. Will give results if there's some decent discussion. I had been catching some cards and am probably seen as a very LAG player this particular day. Entire table was pretty deep for a 1/2 game.2nd position raises to 12.Hero calls on button with AJ off.SB calls.Flop 6c 8c JSB bets 15, 2nd position raises to 40, Hero calls, SB calls.Turn: AdSB checks, 2nd position checks, Hero bets 110, SB calls, 2nd position calls.River: 5sSB checks, 2nd position bets 175, Hero calls, SB calls.

[Ninja Ace 1]

You really need to put stack sizes in there...I'd probably fold the flop if we're deep and seeing that kind of action... but i'd need to know stacksI'm not sure about the sizing of your turn bet there... i think it's on the small side, but i'd need to know stacksRiver is a crying call tho I expect to get shown 9c7c pretty often

[hartman72 0]

2nd positon~600Hero~700SB~1,000SB plays pretty straight forward, got all his chips before I sat down, 2nd position is a little wild. Had stacked off 200BBs with KQ on a Q high flop hours before. His stack was in constant flux all day.

[Ninja Ace 1]

Yeah no fold on the flop if you're thaaaaat deep and the bets are relatively small.Turn you really need to be setting up for a river jam... something near the pot like 160

[hartman72 0]

This may be a problem of mine, what is the difference between a bet of 110 and 160 here?

[rrumsey 0]

ok if you have a lag image i 3 bet this pre, we are plenty deep enough and we have the button, i would 3 bet a lot worst here tooraise that freakinf flop! given the action so far it is highly unlikely we dont have the best hand at this pointi play the turn the samegiven the action, and v c/c turn,... i shove river ( i am being lazy but i figure it is around a pot size bet to shove, so ship it!)

[Ninja Ace 1]

raise that freakinf flop! given the action so far it is highly unlikely we dont have the best hand at this point

Even if a block bet - raise can be construed as "weak"... when we cold 3bet the flop with just TP/TK what hands exactly do we expect to get value fromtbh your cold three bet range here should be sets and combo draws... i'd even smooth 2 pair here for pot control purposes due to the deepnesshartman, the $50 difference brings your bet closer to pot size, and people tend to still stick around on the turn reguardless of 3/4 or pot cuz, you know, there's one more card to come... this will shorten your stack by $50 when called, and also make the pot at least $100 bigger, or in this case $150 bigger. What it does is make it much easier to get called on the river by worse since their pot odds get sexier.

[hartman72 0]

Ok, let's say I bet 160 on the turn and got called in both spots. What if 2nd position shoves into us on the river? Do we call?

[hartman72 0]

ok if you have a lag image i 3 bet this pre, we are plenty deep enough and we have the button, i would 3 bet a lot worst here tooraise that freakinf flop! given the action so far it is highly unlikely we dont have the best hand at this pointi play the turn the samegiven the action, and v c/c turn,... i shove river ( i am being lazy but i figure it is around a pot size bet to shove, so ship it!)

I disagree with this. Not many 1/2 players bluff raise too often, especially with 3 players in the pot.

[mtdesmoines 3]

This hand occured a couple days ago at my nearby casino. I am OK with how I played the hand, except maybe on the flop. Was surprised at what SB had and VERY surprised by what 2nd position had. Will give results if there's some decent discussion. I had been catching some cards and am probably seen as a very LAG player this particular day. Entire table was pretty deep for a 1/2 game.2nd position raises to 12.Hero calls on button with AJ off.SB calls.Flop 6c 8c JSB bets 15, 2nd position raises to 40, Hero calls, SB calls.Turn: AdSB checks, 2nd position checks, Hero bets 110, SB calls, 2nd position calls.River: 5sSB checks, 2nd position bets 175, Hero calls, SB calls.

Not getting raised on the turn means we're ahead 95% of the time, but I think smooth calling and getting the SB's $ is prob more profitable long term than raising and getting repopped and being put to what it a REALLY tough decision. I would expect to see QQ from 2nd position here a ton.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Ok, let's say I bet 160 on the turn and got called in both spots. What if 2nd position shoves into us on the river? Do we call?

Tough spot because he MIGHT be misplaying AK, but if he is, he's raising the turn every time.

[rrumsey 0]

This hand occured a couple days ago at my nearby casino. I am OK with how I played the hand, except maybe on the flop. Was surprised at what SB had and VERY surprised by what 2nd position had. Will give results if there's some decent discussion. I had been catching some cards and am #1 probably seen as a very LAG player this particular day.#2 Entire table was pretty deep for a 1/2 game.

my case for raising the flop:#1.) our image is laggy, that makes me feel we will get no respect for the raise#2.) everyone is deep, this is excellent for us to build the pot, and isolate the raiser hopefully#3.) IT IS LIVE, people do random crap with underpairs and 2 over cards all the time, get a lot of money in quickly with top pair top kicker most villains suck so bad they will stack off deep with top pair medium kicker, punish them.

[rrumsey 0]

Ok, let's say I bet 160 on the turn and got called in both spots. What if 2nd position shoves into us on the river? Do we call?

you wanna fold top two when only a bizarro st8 hit, and we have an extremely hard time putting him on a set,............. we shove. i mean unless the board texture is terrible or the action is crazy from a nitty player, folding top two tends to be bad, and not going for stacks with top two tends to be bad. we have a powerful hand the second that turn hits, go for max value

[hartman72 0]

Not getting raised on the turn means we're ahead 95% of the time, but I think smooth calling and getting the SB's $ is prob more profitable long term than raising and getting repopped and being put to what it a REALLY tough decision. I would expect to see QQ from 2nd position here a ton.

He actually had KK and after the sb overcalled on the river, he flips it up actually thinking it was good. I don't understand his play at all on the turn and especially the river.

[Ninja Ace 1]

He actually had KK and after the sb overcalled on the river, he flips it up actually thinking it was good. I don't understand his play at all on the turn and especially the river.

But he has pocketed kings... how are they not to be good?

[rrumsey 0]

He actually had KK and after the sb overcalled on the river, he flips it up actually thinking it was good. I don't understand his play at all on the turn and especially the river.

you bet small on turn after just calling flop, only your exact hand fits to be honest

[mtdesmoines 3]

you bet small on turn after just calling flop, only your exact hand fits to be honest

Which is why we NEVER reraise that flop BTW

[hartman72 0]

Which is why we NEVER reraise that flop BTW

That is what I was thinking. Do they really put us on AJ after our smooth call on the flop? Also, we are way behind a lot of times when there is a bet and a reraise, I just didn't know how lucky I actually got on the turn

[shynepo3 0]

So what did SB have? 6/8 or j/8?

[hartman72 0]

So what did SB have? 6/8 or j/8?

6 8, I'm glad he didn't raise the flop as it turned out.

[DonkSlayer 1]

given the action, and v c/c turn,... i shove river ( i am being lazy but i figure it is around a pot size bet to shove, so ship it!)

Lighting money on fire....never getting called by a worse hand this deep.

my case for raising the flop:#1.) our image is laggy, that makes me feel we will get no respect for the raise#2.) everyone is deep, this is excellent for us to build the pot, and isolate the raiser hopefully#3.) IT IS LIVE, people do random crap with underpairs and 2 over cards all the time, get a lot of money in quickly with top pair top kicker most villains suck so bad they will stack off deep with top pair medium kicker, punish them.

I'm only raising to ISO the PF raiser here; I'm not doing it just to build a pot with tp/tk.

you wanna fold top two when only a bizarro st8 hit, and we have an extremely hard time putting him on a set,............. we shove. i mean unless the board texture is terrible or the action is crazy from a nitty player, folding top two tends to be bad, and not going for stacks with top two tends to be bad. we have a powerful hand the second that turn hits, go for max value

How is that a bizzaro straight? SB has been playing the hand exactly like he has a draw.

Which is why we NEVER reraise that flop BTW

If we RR to ISO and get 4-bet by the villain, we can pretty safely fold imo. It was luckbox to hit our A on the turn, and if that A didn't hit we lose less money folding on the flop to the 4 bet than by calling a reasonable turn bet when a 2 turns.If we can fold the turn to villain's 1/2-3/4 pot bet UI, then I can see not raising the flop.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Hartman,I probably fold PF this deep; AJ is one of the few hands that I'd call IP here if it was suited, but dump unsuited, given the action and stack sizes. Flop I RR something small, like $60 to $100; gets rid of SB drawing (if he is) and gets more info on villain. I dump if 4-bet. Turn as played I overbet the pot and call villain's shove; SB shoving is a super-hard decision. River as played I have to call but just feel ok about it.

[hartman72 0]

Hartman,I probably fold PF this deep; AJ is one of the few hands that I'd call IP here if it was suited, but dump unsuited, given the action and stack sizes. Flop I RR something small, like $60 to $100; gets rid of SB drawing (if he is) and gets more info on villain. I dump if 4-bet. Turn as played I overbet the pot and call villain's shove; SB shoving is a super-hard decision. River as played I have to call but just feel ok about it.

I don't know if I like folding here. Would you say 3 betting>folding>calling?

[BaseJester 1]

I agree with Donkslayer.AJ is a getting-stacked hand, not a stacking hand. I wouldn't play it unless I knew the villain was a fool, which he appears to be, but you don't have the read prior to the hand.

[Ninja Ace 1]

I don't know if I like folding here. Would you say 3 betting>folding>calling?

When you 3bet you gain the initiative so when you're against hands like AK/AQ that flat your 3bet you hold an ace for them to need to complete their hand so they whiff more often... You're also going to take down the pot uncontested more often both preflop and on the flop. It's harder to take uncontested pots when you are not the aggressor. I'm guessing he'd call with AJs because you're going to see a lot more spots where you can go for uncontested pots when you bluff raise with the NFD.I can certainly understand not wanting to flat call with AJ deep because it gets us into a lot of retardedly gross spots