CorvairShaggy 5 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 OK. little more than 3 hrs in Average tourney stack size was 25k. MP2 only seen 30 hands, and was shoving pre with AQ, KJ, etc. He was short stack when he was placed at the table and doubled up twice. MP3 - He and I tied ass a few times, but basically he was aggressive, but would lay down if the heat got put back on him. Didn't expect any action from button, SB, BB unless they had monsters. (really got lucky, because they could have came in with a monster, then I would have put myself in a horrible spot?) At the time average stack was 25k. Question here is PRE-FLOP play. Was it spewey to shove here?? Scenario 1: After thinking about it, I am thinking it would have been better to 3-bet to about 6k here, and if either called, then just re-eval at flop? If one of them shoves, then fold (BUT, then I am only left with 15k and 10k off of average, basically SHORT)?? Is 99 good enough to shove here? Scenario 2: Just flat and set mine the flop, fold to a missed flop? Am I being too aggressive minded with scenario 1 with only 99 here??PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 70 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 (t16360)MP3 (t12495)Hero (CO) (t22781)Button (t25992)SB (t44225)BB (t22605)UTG (t47004)UTG+1 (t14040)MP1 (t19157)Hero's M: 14.89Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, 93 folds, MP2 bets t1555, MP3 calls t1555, Hero raises to t22711 (All-In), 3 folds, MP2 calls t14735 (All-In), 1 foldI am pretty sure I played this terrible, so please do not post with just "You stupid FAHK, you played this terrible!!" but give me some insight into what would have been the better play here.Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 You stupid FAHK, you played this terrible!! Link to post Share on other sites
JustLikeNegs 1 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 You stupid FAHK, you played this terrible!!didnt you read it all? he said dont say this! Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 100% standard. wp. win the flip Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 You stupid FAHK, you played this terrible!! Link to post Share on other sites
JustLikeNegs 1 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 You stupid FAHK, you played this terrible!!i give up Link to post Share on other sites
CorvairShaggy 5 Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 I can't say I did not deserve it. Should have known better :)All BS aside, was this terrible, or was it like ace said standard play, or is he BS'ing too??? Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 You stupid fuck, you played this terrible Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 You stupid fuck, you played this terribleand correctly Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 I can't say I did not deserve it. Should have known better :)All BS aside, was this terrible, or was it like ace said standard play, or is he BS'ing too???you don't want to play by trueace's standard plays. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted May 17, 2010 Share Posted May 17, 2010 you don't want to play by trueace's standard plays.translation, totally fine Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Since when did reshoving 99 for almost 40 BBs become standard? Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Since when did reshoving 99 for almost 40 BBs become standard?gotta start playing above the rim brah Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 Looks kind of "standard" to me, and here is why (I think):You have a raise and a call. Your options are: Flat and see a flop/fold/3 bet about 25% of your stack/shoveWhat you are trying to do here is: Get people to lay down better hands than 99/Represent a better hand than 99What you can expect: A caller. Why? Because someone might have AA/KK and they (usually) are not laying it down to a massive shove and are looking to dominate. If they call with AK, it usually means the person is willing to flip for the pot, which isn't so bad.The Problem: Lots of people still don't know how to lay down big hands. I've seen tons of people call off their stacks in situations like this with AQ and less, even sometimes calling with 88 or lower, if they put you one AK/AQ. Unfortunately, if someone calls you, you're likely dom,inated or flipping against high cards. 99 doesn't hold up all that great when called because the caller's range has got to tighten up. The mistake you are trying to induce is a Fold.Personally, I would flat and, hopefully, see a flop. I don't think 1500 (out of 22K chips) is too much to spend to see 3 more cards and reevaluate.So, it is standard? If the winners above say so, then it is. Is it spewy? I think it is. But I also don't think it's a bad play, just rather marginal. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 omg please people...I was being sarcastic with the standard. This jam is horrible. we can 3bet/call the sb and other ~20bb stacks, but with the huge stack being on the button, not really wanting to jam this much like ever Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted May 18, 2010 Share Posted May 18, 2010 omg please people...I was being sarcastic with the standard. This jam is horrible. we can 3bet/call the sb and other ~20bb stacks, but with the huge stack being on the button, not really wanting to jam this much like everSee what propaganda and inside jokes will get you? A rep for being a huge donk lol :-D Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 omg please people...I was being sarcastic with the standard. This jam is horrible. we can 3bet/call the sb and other ~20bb stacks, but with the huge stack being on the button, not really wanting to jam this much like everthe SB has 44k...the btn 26k..I think jamming is close to being best here. It's not a wonderful proposition though. Pretty lame spot. Some 3 bet option might be good. Maybe to around 6.2k. Call MP shoves and fold to the rest. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Since when did reshoving 99 for almost 40 BBs become standard?effective stacks of villains involved so far are only like half that, and unless someone behind us has AA or KK then nobody will be in the hand, so it is basically shoving 18ish BB unless it is a massive cooler Link to post Share on other sites
CorvairShaggy 5 Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 the SB has 44k...the btn 26k..I think jamming is close to being best here. It's not a wonderful proposition though. Pretty lame spot. Some 3 bet option might be good. Maybe to around 6.2k. Call MP shoves and fold to the rest.So this is what I thought would have been best after the fact (see scenario 1 above) BUT, basically the general consensus is that this is a marginal spot, same way as I found myself last tourney post. But, I am trying to stay close to average tourney stack size as possible (ahead would be best). Is this a good thought process for MTTs a few hours in to stay close or ahead of average tourney size, or pay more attention to my BB status?? I am seeing that I am making marginal plays when I am below average tourney. If I would have 3-bet here and got shoved, I could have folded and been left with about ~ 22BBs or so, which I guess is plenty to find better spots.Basically, what is more important. BBs or average tourney stack sizes??Thanks!! omg please people...I was being sarcastic with the standard. This jam is horrible. we can 3bet/call the sb and other ~20bb stacks, but with the huge stack being on the button, not really wanting to jam this much like everThis is a MUCH more helpful explanation. I have not been here long enough to weed out sarcasm, especially when asking for help and being confused on the better way to play certain hands. I do appreciate the input/explanation though Link to post Share on other sites
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