Punishing Myself...

[Biff Goods 0]

It's ironic that 7Steve posted the thread about losing streaks and dealing with losing in general. I have been on about a 2 week downswing. I tried everything I normally do to get out of my funk. I took a few days off....played less tables...more tables. Listened to music....turned the music off. Through all of it I tried hard to stay true to playing correctly and not letting bad beats or bad situations get to me. I just came off another 300bb losing session and was just getting beat up by the deck. Then I finally did it....I finally played a hand a certain way because I was tilting and literally turned my brain off during it. I was talking to my buddy at the time and as soon as the hand was over I said to him...."Ok...it's time to get up...I just played a hand as badly as I've played any in about 6 months." I'm posting it here so you can all give it to me. I deserve it. Don't hold back. Also may be a learning tool for some of the newbies on here because they may not realize why it's so bad (I didn't when I first started playing)PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.comsaw flop|saw showdownButton ($11.65)SB ($10.05)Tilted Hero ($17.20)UTG ($7.45)UTG+1 ($6.70)MP1 ($14.25)MP2 ($3.60)CO ($9.85)Preflop: Tilted Hero is BB with A[], Q[]. 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.4, 2 folds, Tilted Hero raises to $1, MP2 folds, CO raises to $3, Tilted Hero calls $2.Flop: ($6.15) T[], J[], Q[] (2 players)Tilted Hero checks, CO bets $3.3, Tilted Hero raises to $13.7, CO calls $3.55 (All-In).Turn: ($26.70) J[] (2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($26.70) 8[] (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $26.70It doesn't matter but Villain just sat down so no stats on him...but honestly it's pretty clear cut and dry what I beat here....nothing...Punish away.

[trystero 0]

thought you played 200nlFold to his 4-bet pf, and when you 3-bet pre make it larger. If you're pounding AQ pf at 10nl then Houston's got a problem.

[Nashtak 0]

YOU DISGUST ME!!1!

[fighter 4]

It's ironic that 7Steve posted the thread about losing streaks and dealing with losing in general. Punish away.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

Wow! I guess the ass kicking you guys have been giving me has been paying off, because even I think I know what he has post-flop. I know I have posted some Capt. Pickard WTF stuff lately, but I would have to say that the half-pot bet combined with pre-flop just screamed AK (possibly suited as well?). Not to kick a man when he's down, but even my donkey-ass would have to lay that one down. Is this correct read?? You have to hit bottom before you can go back up. Hopefully this is bottom. I hope you will get back on top soon. Also, I thought you guys that posted in this forum played $1/$2 on a bad day, and like $5/$10 when you were on the clock.

[cashman 0]

Wow! I guess the ass kicking you guys have been giving me has been paying off, because even I think I know what he has post-flop. I know I have posted some Capt. Pickard WTF stuff lately, but I would have to say that the half-pot bet combined with pre-flop just screamed AK (possibly suited as well?). Not to kick a man when he's down, but even my donkey-ass would have to lay that one down. Is this correct read?? You have to hit bottom before you can go back up. Hopefully this is bottom. I hope you will get back on top soon. Also, I thought you guys that posted in this forum played $1/$2 on a bad day, and like $5/$10 when you were on the clock.

Villain could have a few hands covair, and there is a lot wrong with this play. As a side note, that is what's rough about this site. You post a hand and if they don't know you guys playing .05/.10 will jump all over you. I know because I am a newbie as well. I play live $1/$2 several times a week, $100 mtts at the local casino and at least one event in the WSOP this year and I will get crucified by a .05/.10 player if I post something that he thinks was a bad play. Oh well, most of the time its good advice, especially the guys who can back it up with the math.If it makes you feel better Biff, I played a $120 mtt at the casino the other day. Light turnout (37) so only 4 spots paid. With six left I am the chip leader. Folds around to me on the button and I raise 2.5x the bb w/QJ suited. The bb calls. The flop comes out 2Q6. I look over at his stack and I see what looks like about 10 1k chips and a dozen or so 100 chips. I had about 34 k at the time and I decide to make absolutely the worst play of my life. For some unknown reason I shove and the bb proceeds to slide out TWO stacks of 10 1k chips and cripples me w/trip 2s. I was in seat 4 and he was in 6 w/a player between us so I wasn't sure how big his stack was. Horrible mistake on my part and it cost me, most likely $1.1k which was first place money. Even if we chop I am probably making around $600. That was probably the worst play I have ever made. Hopefully you and I aren't the only ones to have made a bonehead move though. At least your's didn't cost you a grand.

[Biff Goods 0]

thought you played 200nl

I play it live. I deposited $50 on PS in Nov of last year and absolutely refused to play outside of my bankroll as some sort of discipline training.

Not to kick a man when he's down, but even my donkey-ass would have to lay that one down.

Kick away...it's the sole purpose on why I posted it here.

Oh well, most of the time its good advice, especially the guys who can back it up with the math.

It's not about the stakes for me...it's about me feeling like I played my best every time I'm at the table. If I get outplayed by someone (which happens probably more than any of us let on) I don't mind it so much...touche...but when I just play bad or make blatant, awful mistakes to which I could have easily avoided then it really grinds my gears.

Is this correct read??

Cav...it's close...the correct read is that the only hands that show up here are TT+ or Ak, and sometimes AQ....all of which have me completely destroyed. Since that is always Villain's range preflop...that's why you drop the AQ oop like 100% of the time to a 4 bet. Sidenote:Conversation between me and buddy as this hand was going on...Me- "Oh good lord, what the hell am I doing"Him- "Probably something you shouldn't be"Me- "Does he ever not have KK here?"(as I'm calling his 4-bet)Him- "What do you have?"Me- "You don't want to know"(I'm now all in)Me- "I just played the worst hand I've played in like 6 montnhs"Him- "I haven't played a hand in six months and still wouldn't have played that one that bad..."As you can see how constructively supportive he is for me. :)Me- "Show me your kings....ugh"(player shows kings)

[CorvairShaggy 5]

Villain could have a few hands covair, and there is a lot wrong with this play.

Yes, I can see that. Help me analyze it. First, I am removing the monetary value from it, and not factoring reads, table flow and looking at it by numbers.CO raises to $0.4 (standard 3x BB probably A5 A6 Kx or just stealing ?? )2 folds Tilted Hero raises to $1 (O.k. play here with AQo ? )MP2 folds CO raises to $3 (RED flags. Now he is invested for about 33% of his stack. Change range from A-Rag to AK AQ (both suited) AA KK QQ ( JJ and 10s also? ) ?? )Tilted Hero calls $2 ( 17% of stack flat-call on a 3-bet with good pot equity and with AQo ? Bad but not horrible (because of %), but VERY dangerous and loose. Hope for low flop, QQx, take stab or just check it all the way (not likely).Flop: ($6.15) T, J, Q Tilted Hero Checks (Understandable. VERY wet flop based on pre-flop action. Let Villian give us some info)CO bets $3.3 (half pot bet. trying to entice. He now has 65% of his stack in the pot so now he is committed. He is praying for a call. If he missed with that much action pre-flop and such a wet flop, and with hero having him well covered, I would check and take the free card. Correct??)Tilted Hero raises to $13.7 Uhh Ohh CO calls $3.55 (All-In) and yells B I N G OIs this pretty close??

[cashman 0]

Yes, I can see that. Help me analyze it. First, I am removing the monetary value from it, and not factoring reads, table flow and looking at it by numbers.CO raises to $0.4 (standard 3x BB probably A5 A6 Kx or just stealing ?? )2 folds Tilted Hero raises to $1 (O.k. play here with AQo ? )MP2 folds CO raises to $3 (RED flags. Now he is invested for about 33% of his stack. Change range from A-Rag to AK AQ (both suited) AA KK QQ ( JJ and 10s also? ) ?? )Tilted Hero calls $2 ( 17% of stack flat-call on a 3-bet with good pot equity and with AQo ? Bad but not horrible (because of %), but VERY dangerous and loose. Hope for low flop, QQx, take stab or just check it all the way (not likely).Flop: ($6.15) T, J, Q Tilted Hero Checks (Understandable. VERY wet flop. Let Villian give us some info)CO bets $3.3 (half pot bet. trying to entice. He now has 65% of his stack in the pot so now he is committed. He is praying for a call. If he missed with that much action pre-flop and such a wet flop, and with hero having him well covered, I would check and take the free card. Correct??)Tilted Hero raises to $13.7 Uhh Ohh CO calls $3.55 (All-In) and yells B I N G OIs this pretty close??

Pretty much. First and foremost, AQ is a trap hand. As soon as he gets reraised PF he should probably fold. Very easy to put CO on a strong pocket pair or AK and you're dominated. Once he calls, even though he hit top pair, the flop is horrific based on the possible hands that CO reraised with. CO is playing this hand as if he wants to get his chips in the middle and Biff, being on tilt, shoves right into him. If I was to put CO on a range I would say AK, KK, QQ, JJ, and 1010 as the most likely holdings. This is all compounded by the fact that you're only getting called here if you're beat. I am sure we have all made similar mistakes when we first started playing, but calling reraises PF w/hands like AQ and KQ is very dangerous stuff.

[Biff Goods 0]

good pot equity and with AQo? Bad but not horrible (because of %),

This is where the biggest mistake in thinking here is. At this point in the action having AQo is irrelevant. All it's strength preflop goes bye bye. Look at it this way. If you had these two scenarios which one would you choose? AQ vs AA, KK, QQ, AK, JJ, or 1010or AQ vs AJ, A10, QK, QJ, A9 or A8You'd be silly to go up against the hands in the first range but even sillier to not put it all in against the hands in the second one. Saying simply..."Well I have AQoff suit...that's a pretty big hand" means nothing when you have little chance at winning the pot in a show down. Regardless of how much equity is in the pot. That's why we try not to play just our cards in poker. We play the situation. We involve all the information that is available to us and base the correct play off of that.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

This is where the biggest mistake in thinking here is. At this point in the action having AQo is irrelevant. All it's strength preflop goes bye bye. Look at it this way. If you had these two scenarios which one would you choose? AQ vs AA, KK, QQ, AK, JJ, or 1010or AQ vs AJ, A10, QK, QJ, A9 or A8You'd be silly to go up against the hands in the first range but even sillier to not put it all in against the hands in the second one. Saying simply..."Well I have AQoff suit...that's a pretty big hand" means nothing when you have little chance at winning the pot in a show down. Regardless of how much equity is in the pot. That's why we try not to play just our cards in poker. We play the situation. We involve all the information that is available to us and base the correct play off of that.

Yea, I see your point. I was looking at it as a 17% stack risk, but I guess when you would only have like 10% or less (just guessing, did not calculate) to win the hand, I guess it is dumb to risk the extra 6%. Save the 6% for another hand and just take a 11% loss. Still trying to take alot of the gamble out of my game.So see, it was a good post after all. Thanks!

[IBFT 0]

Wow! I guess the ass kicking you guys have been giving me has been paying off, because even I think I know what he has post-flop.

I don't know you from Adam, but the point of posting hands in a poker forum is to improve your poker game. You seem to be saying, 'lol how can people criticize my play, this guy is a total moron!' If you can't handle/don't want criticism of your hands, I don't think posting them in a public forum is the right direction to go in. I doubt many, if any, people in this forum are 'giving you an ass kicking' out of personal reasons. I've looked over 2 or 3 hands that you've posted, and they are all very bad fundamentally (which is worse than making a bad read or making a bad play due to tilt), and if you want to get better at the poker, you'll need to handle those 'ass kickings', learn from them, work your ass off, and improve.As for the hand posted, once you've called a 4-bet preflop and you have TPTK + a gutshot, you can't really be folding for a PSB on the flop.

[JoeyJoJo 18]

Pretty sure Corvair is saying the ass-kickings have helped him learn because now he knows what's going on in this hand.

[Fluffdog87 2]

learn from mistakes“Success seems to be connected with action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don't quit.” - Conrad Hiltonbest of luck!

[CorvairShaggy 5]

Pretty sure Corvair is saying the ass-kickings have helped him learn because now he knows what's going on in this hand.

EXACTLY!! I meant it in a light/joking way. Do you think that I would criticize others play with the crap hands I have posted?? I have played off and on for 10 years but the past few months have actually made a commitment to learn strategy/better play and not just gamble. What I was saying is that the "ass-kicking" (use term very lightly/loosely)was paying off because now I can start too see and understand why certain plays are made, and getting a better idea of concepts/etc. and deposits are lasting longer and when I do lose I understand why I lost and what I did to cause the loss, and not just yell "This F'n site is rigged!!" like alot of starter players. With this particular hand 2 months ago I would have been like , uuhhh, but now I actually have a clue to what is going on.Thanks!!