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Hey guys. I play 4-8 LHE at my local casino and have always been a winning player. I play tight and very rarely have ever lost even 3 sessions in a row. Even when I did lose I rarely lost my whole buy in. The casino I play at reduced the blinds in the game from 2-4 to 1-2 during the week. I have no idea why. It still takes $4 to call and see a flop. This happened sometime last fall and since then I can only remember having one or two small winning sessions. Granted I do not play often, maybe twice a month, but for me to have that many losing sessions just does not happen. Is it just a coincidence and finally I am running bad or could the blind change be affecting the way I or others play at the table? The only thing I can think of is since I am very tight I am folding my BB and not seeing some flops where in the past I could see a few more free flops when there were only limpers and from time to time get lucky and flop trips or something with a crap hand. So maybe I was winning one or two hands more per session because of this where now I am not. I thought this blind structure would be better for me as it would only cost $3 per round now instead of $6. Any thoughts form you would be great or just tell me there is no difference and chalk it up to variance and a bad streak. Thanks.

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Hey guys. I play 4-8 LHE at my local casino and have always been a winning player. I play tight and very rarely have ever lost even 3 sessions in a row. Even when I did lose I rarely lost my whole buy in. The casino I play at reduced the blinds in the game from 2-4 to 1-2 during the week. I have no idea why. It still takes $4 to call and see a flop. This happened sometime last fall and since then I can only remember having one or two small winning sessions. Granted I do not play often, maybe twice a month, but for me to have that many losing sessions just does not happen. Is it just a coincidence and finally I am running bad or could the blind change be affecting the way I or others play at the table. The only thing I can think of is since I am very tight I am folding my BB and not seeing some flops where in the past I could see a few more free flops when there were only limpers and from time to time get lucky and flop trips or something with a crap hand. So maybe I was winning one or two hands more per session because of this where now I am not. I thought this blind structure would be better for me as it would only cost $3 per round now instead of $6. Any thoughts form you would be great or just tell me there is no difference and chalk it up to variance and a bad streak. Thanks.
Smaller blinds = more players getting in cheaply. More gamble to them.
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Never ever think of the blind structure as a cost to you.A blind structure like that is horrible since it encouages tight play and kills the action.At small limit holdem games it's the rake that kills you and the only way to beat the stupid high live rake in most small limit games is for there to be lots of action in the game and having a stupid blind structure like that decreases the action.I bet it was the stupid tight nits who wanted this structure when they should be wanting the opposite.

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Smaller blinds = more players getting in cheaply. More gamble to them.
Exact opposite, it means less players protecting their blinds from raises and less money in the pot overall. It still costs the same to call it's just that the blinds are tiny. There's a reason that there are blinds, they're there to force action and decreasing the size of them relative to the rest of the game is just plain stupid.Edit: If anybody has played 15/30 with a $5 small blind and 15/30 with a $10 small blind they know what a large difference that can make in how the game plays. The larger small blind encourages action and the game is usually much much better for it.
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Hey guys. I play 4-8 LHE at my local casino and have always been a winning player. I play tight and very rarely have ever lost even 3 sessions in a row. Even when I did lose I rarely lost my whole buy in. The casino I play at reduced the blinds in the game from 2-4 to 1-2 during the week. I have no idea why. It still takes $4 to call and see a flop. This happened sometime last fall and since then I can only remember having one or two small winning sessions. Granted I do not play often, maybe twice a month, but for me to have that many losing sessions just does not happen. Is it just a coincidence and finally I am running bad or could the blind change be affecting the way I or others play at the table. The only thing I can think of is since I am very tight I am folding my BB and not seeing some flops where in the past I could see a few more free flops when there were only limpers and from time to time get lucky and flop trips or something with a crap hand. So maybe I was winning one or two hands more per session because of this where now I am not. I thought this blind structure would be better for me as it would only cost $3 per round now instead of $6. Any thoughts form you would be great or just tell me there is no difference and chalk it up to variance and a bad streak. Thanks.
So the big blind is $2 but if you want to limp UTG it's $4?
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Never ever think of the blind structure as a cost to you.A blind structure like that is horrible since it encouages tight play and kills the action.At small limit holdem games it's the rake that kills you and the only way to beat the stupid high live rake in most small limit games is for there to be lots of action in the game and having a stupid blind structure like that decreases the action.I bet it was the stupid tight nits who wanted this structure when they should be wanting the opposite.
You know I have noticed that the pots are smaller since this change. I will talk to the poker room manger next time I am there and I guess I will try to play more on the weekends when the structure is normal. Actually I would like to play the 10-20 they spread sometimes but I need to grow bigger balls. Would definitely take care of this blind scenario and help beat the rake. Thanks.
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yes and it is stupid.
Definitely. If they're gonna do that, they should at least change the pre-flop betting to allow a $2 limp. Most of the rooms in Biloxi use this structure for their 4-8 games. $2 to call, but the pre-flop raises are to $6, $10 and $14. After the flop it plays like a standard 4-8 game. That at least generates some action with all of the limping that takes place.
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i think playing lower blinds attracts could i say weaker players which takes away your luck factor you talk of as there will be more players in each pot trying to get lucky playing lhe is your choice but playing lhe and being tight dont really make sense to me players in limit are fishing loose aggressive i rarely meet a tight player and if i ever do he is the target for myself as would you be to these players as it only costs them $3 a round as well as yourself the point i picked up on is your questioning yourself in poker you shouldnt be questioning yourself if you are your in the wrng game or your playing above your means i suggest dropping stakes and play more frequent poker as playing 2 times in a month im sure rust is in your game and a player playing more frequent poker will pick up on your rusty play and exploit it an old phrase comes to mind if you cant spot a weak player your it be true to yourself and play to your means and not just turn up a couple times a month to try and get money in your pocket because thats gambling and poker shouldnt be a gamble if your confident in your own ability but saying that good luck with your choices

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i think playing lower blinds attracts could i say weaker players which takes away your luck factor you talk of as there will be more players in each pot trying to get lucky playing lhe is your choice but playing lhe and being tight dont really make sense to me players in limit are fishing loose aggressive i rarely meet a tight player and if i ever do he is the target for myself as would you be to these players as it only costs them $3 a round as well as yourself the point i picked up on is your questioning yourself in poker you shouldnt be questioning yourself if you are your in the wrng game or your playing above your means i suggest dropping stakes and play more frequent poker as playing 2 times in a month im sure rust is in your game and a player playing more frequent poker will pick up on your rusty play and exploit it an old phrase comes to mind if you cant spot a weak player your it be true to yourself and play to your means and not just turn up a couple times a month to try and get money in your pocket because thats gambling and poker shouldnt be a gamble if your confident in your own ability but saying that good luck with your choices
No offense, but the first part of your post is absolutely ridiculous. Second of all, it is not cheaper to see a flop causing more players to be in the hand because the blinds are lower. It still costs $4 to see a flop. Did you read any of the other responses in this thread? Also, most lower limit players are loose passive not loose aggressive. I never said I could not spot a weak player. They are in 8 out of the 9 other seats at the table usually. English is obviously not your 1st language, I hope, but have you ever heard of punctuation? My head hurts.
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I think playing lower blinds attracts weaker players. This takes away your luck factor as there will be more players in each pot trying to get lucky.Playing LHE is your choice but playing doesn't really make sense to me. Players in limit are fishing loose aggressive; I rarely meet a tight player and if I ever do he is the target for myself. He would also be to these players as it only costs them $3 a round as well as yourself.The point i picked up on is you're questioning yourself in poker. You shouldn't be questioning yourself. If you are you're in the wrong game or you're playing above your means. I suggest dropping stakes and play more frequently. Playing only twice a month means your game is rusty. A player playing more frequent poker will pick up on your rusty play and exploit it.An old phrase comes to mind if you can't spot a weak player you're it. Be true to yourself and play within your bankroll. Also play more often. Good luck.
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You left out "being tight" in the first sentence of the second paragraph. This a key phrase that needs to be included as it shows he has no concept of how to play small stakes LHE. If you could correct that would be appreciated. Thanks. :club:
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You left out "being tight" in the first sentence of the second paragraph. This a key phrase that needs to be included as it shows he has no concept of how to play small stakes LHE. If you could correct that would be appreciated. Thanks. :club:
This might have nothing to do with your situation but as a result of the lower blinds it might be more obvious to the random players that you are playing very tight since you're not seeing as many flops since you're throwing your blinds away in situations where you got a walk before and probably got to show down the occasional funky blind hand where you saw the flop for free.Also you might be incorrectly folding a lot of hands out of the blinds that you should be playing based on how bad a lot of the play will be after the flop.
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This might have nothing to do with your situation but as a result of the lower blinds it might be more obvious to the random players that you are playing very tight since you're not seeing as many flops since you're throwing your blinds away in situations where you got a walk before and probably got to show down the occasional funky blind hand where you saw the flop for free.Also you might be incorrectly folding a lot of hands out of the blinds that you should be playing based on how bad a lot of the play will be after the flop.
I do throw away most small blinds but I will play some suited or connected hands from the big blind if there are 3 or more limpers.
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Petey,It sounds like you know what you are doing and are a solid player. I assume this from your tight style and frequent wins. So I'm going to guess it is just variance. Do not rush into the 10/20 game, but you might take a shot at it once. I play in Atlantic City and was scared of the jump, but it turned out the players weren't that much better - they just had more money. There were a few more good players and a few less fish, but the game is still beatable. That being said - my last trip I had awful luck and lost a bunch. So don't play until your bankroll can handle the swings. And when you do give it a try, be sure to play your solid, tight, aggressive style - don't play scared.Peace,Opie

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Petey,It sounds like you know what you are doing and are a solid player. I assume this from your tight style and frequent wins. So I'm going to guess it is just variance. Do not rush into the 10/20 game, but you might take a shot at it once. I play in Atlantic City and was scared of the jump, but it turned out the players weren't that much better - they just had more money. There were a few more good players and a few less fish, but the game is still beatable. That being said - my last trip I had awful luck and lost a bunch. So don't play until your bankroll can handle the swings. And when you do give it a try, be sure to play your solid, tight, aggressive style - don't play scared.Peace,Opie
Thanks. I have been playing for over 6 years and would like to take a shot at a higher limit to see what it is like. I am sure the game will play very similar to what I play now. FCP Bob made a great point about the lower blinds actually reducing the action. Ever since that happened I did notice the pots overall were smaller. Not just the ones I was involved in. I am probably winning the same amount of pots but with them being smaller and the big rake, including $2 for the bad beat, it has become harder to beat. I don't know. It is just weird when the structure changed my game tanked. Have been trying to solve the mystery.
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Thanks. I have been playing for over 6 years and would like to take a shot at a higher limit to see what it is like. I am sure the game will play very similar to what I play now. FCP Bob made a great point about the lower blinds actually reducing the action. Ever since that happened I did notice the pots overall were smaller. Not just the ones I was involved in. I am probably winning the same amount of pots but with them being smaller and the big rake, including $2 for the bad beat, it has become harder to beat. I don't know. It is just weird when the structure changed my game tanked. Have been trying to solve the mystery.
You've been playing for 6 years and can't step up to the 10/20 game?Get coaching imo.
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Hey guys. I play 4-8 LHE at my local casino and have always been a winning player. I play tight and very rarely have ever lost even 3 sessions in a row. Even when I did lose I rarely lost my whole buy in.
A count of winning or losing sessions isn't a good metric of success.
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You've been playing for 6 years and can't step up to the 10/20 game?Get coaching imo.
As I stated in an earlier post I only play about 2 times a month at the most. I do not have a specific bankroll just for poker. I take up about $100-120 and play. If I lose it, I do not re-buy, I go home. If I win I will just use the money for groceries, gas, etc. So I am not a "serious" player. I would like to be but with job and the fact the casinos are a 45 minute drive each way it is difficult to go more often.I started this thread to get a little insight on why my winning ways changed when the blinds were reduced. I think I have received a few comments that make sense. This thread is slightly going in a different direction now so unless someone can think of something else that pertains to my original post I will probably not be responding any longer. Thanks to FCP Bob and a few others for some insight and encouragement. I will post again and let you know how things are going and If I try the 10-20 game. Thanks.
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You've been playing for 6 years and can't step up to the 10/20 game?Get coaching imo.
I live in Colorado, so for the first 5 1/2 years I played there was a maximum bet of $5. The limits were raised to a maximum bet of $100 about 10 months ago and only one casino has a $10-20 game. That game is not spread very often and just started about 2 months ago. So I could not have "stepped up" even if I wanted to until just recently.
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