****official Miami Dolphins Thread*****

[SuperJon 175]

Hey, at least the Dolphins are relevant again.

[AmScray 355]

Martin may have been big, but crazy is scary for anyone. And Incognito benches well over 500lbs. Don't get me wrong, I feel I woulda done some of the hazing stuff but eventually drew a line in the sand. But it's reaaaaal hard to get in the way of this mess

 

http://youtu.be/SW9C4qi5Y80

 

 

The culture of a locker room is so engrained. Incognito just got carried away. If I'm Martin, I say no and take my beating, or whatever. Or, bring a 9 to the locker room

 

It is what it is.

The problem is, there's always one twat like that who takes it to the point where the other person is pushed to desperate measures.. and when the other guy stabs him in the neck, what's the story then?

 

I'm all for having goons on the payroll but there's a fine line between situational sociopathy and just plain, every day mental illness which is a liability.

[CaneBrain 95]

I think that a large percentage of above average sized guys would still be terrified of Incognito. Dude is insane. I'm not holding this against Martin.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

More than the bullying specifically, I think the NFL has a problem on it's hands with the way veteran players extort money from rookies. In any other workplace on earth, this would be considered an organized crime. There's a story in Miami how an un-named defensive rookie is broke, living pay check to pay check, because other players on the team are harassing him so much to pay for things and give them money. He's paid upwards of 100K now or something. That shit is out of hand. You want to make rookies carry pads and bags and what ever, fine, but shaking them down for 5 figure dinner bills is straight criminal, and the NFL needs to abolish the practice.

 

 

To show you how omnipresent this shit is, way back when Ryan Leaf was a rookie ( a huge douche admittedly and hard to be a sympathetic figure ) Some teammates straight stole his credit card, and charged 3K on it. Straight thievery. Leaf went to the upper management to complain, refusing to pay ( and admittedly it was a small figure to him then, after his huge signing bonus) .

 

So, later that week in practice, during a drill that is supposed to be non-contact for the QB ( as teams don't want to hurt their own QB), Junior Seau (who by all accounts was one of the NFL's "good" guys, one of it's nicest), laid Leaf out as hard as he could when he was totally not expecting to get hit His team cheered and gave him High fives. So, Junior, with the support of the entire team, risked injuring their starting QB, thought at the time to be the future of the franchise, just because he wouldn't pay the 3K. That's a profoundly dysfunctional workplace

 

If that happened outside of football, it would be considered extortion. The NFL needs to do something about it.

[AmScray 355]

I think that a large percentage of above average sized guys would still be terrified of Incognito. Dude is insane. I'm not holding this against Martin.

 

Yes, but he's also one of those people who gets in the public eye then strives to live up to his own caricature. Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are essentially the same thing. Also, while size absolutely matters in a fight and someone like that would be a real ************ for Average Joe to handle in a bar brawl, Martin is physically large and strong enough to throw a knockout punch. All heavyweights are. I agree the bullying is pathetic but it's just as pathetic that a man of that stature is unable to handle himself in a situation like that. Take a bat to his ****ing head if need be. The players calling him soft are right... but that doesn't come within light years of excusing the conduct itself.

 

Like McGee mentioned, it seems like there may be an extremely diseased culture going on in NFL locker rooms, as evidenced by the cop logic we're seeing espoused against Martin by other players for not 'keeping it in house'.

 

If its true that NFL rookies are getting systemically shaken down for massive sums of money by lesser paid players, that's literally Federal RICO shit and I, for one, would love to see someone like Incognito marched right into a place where most of the people there would not hesitate to stick a #2 pencil straight into his eyeball at the slightest provocation.

 

Edit: As facts trickle out, it seems like the entire team may have been shitting on Martin, Incognito was just the typical predatory bully ******* who always takes things too far but the entire team had been treating him badly because he was 'different' which in his case is probably because he's not an illiterate, testosterone driven retard.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

I bet nobody bullied or extorted Aaron Hernandez when he was a rookie. They probably bought him dinners

[The Machine 210]

Fcking incognito. LeBatard was playing a clip of him saying how they were gonna shake down Tannehill for jet skis, saying that the line puts it all out there to protect his butt. Yeah fcker? Well, you failed to protect him, miserably.

 

The funniest part of that is that they lead the league in sacks allowed.

 

Did you look at what you did as "protecting the quarterback" or did you just think of it as playing football? I hate how they try to portray it as doing something noble.

 

I also find it hilarious that Incognito was the guy on the jumbotron talking about fan conduct.

 

 

Edit:

 

"Hi I'm Richie Incognito. On the field, players have called me overly aggressive. While off the field and on the croquet lawn, I'm quite civilized."

 

"While at our stadium today, we greatly appreciate you guys being loud and proud for the Dolphins. But please be respectful and civilized and be sure to follow the fan code of conduct."

 

"Please do not use foul or abusive language. Intoxication, fighting, taunting or threatening remarks and gestures are prohibited."

 

"Thank you for following our fan code of conduct. Anything less would be uncivilized."

[The Machine 210]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/11/6/5074908/richie-incognito-support-dolphins-teammates-jonathan-martin

 

"Most curious was quarterback Ryan Tannehill's assertion that Incognito was Martin's best friend on the team. Several others corroborated the assertion, including defensive tackle Randy Starks, who said that Incognito even went to Martin's side when Martin got into a scuffle with rookie pass rusher Dion Jordan at practice, per Andrew Abramson of the Palm Beach Post."

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

I looked at it like I had a job to do, to beat my man, but the QB was our guy and we didnt want anyone touching him. Soooo, a bit of both

[brvheart 1,747]

http://www.sbnation....jonathan-martin

 

"Most curious was quarterback Ryan Tannehill's assertion that Incognito was Martin's best friend on the team. Several others corroborated the assertion, including defensive tackle Randy Starks, who said that Incognito even went to Martin's side when Martin got into a scuffle with rookie pass rusher Dion Jordan at practice, per Andrew Abramson of the Palm Beach Post."

 

I could totally see Incognito getting blindsided by this whole situation, thinking that he was just ribbing a friend, and being completely unself-aware.

 

I've had 'friends' in grade school that were always playing two-for-flinching with me, or some other such game that I hated, and they would have absolutely said we were best friends (even coming to my defense at times) and I wanted them dead.

[The Machine 210]

So the only thing that has come out about Incognito against Martin is that there are a bunch of voice mails and text messages that are threatening and malicious, right? Has anyone said he was abusive to Martin in the locker room or at team functions or anything? Maybe Incognito did the friendly ribbing to Martin around teammates, but then went way over the line one on one with him?

 

I don't know; this whole thing is pretty weird.

 

Would the entire team cover up for Incognito knowing Martin is going to come out with the truth?

[iBeaver 409]

Man Up http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9939308/richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-bullying-scandal

 

 

Pretty much the best article I've read on the situation.

[David_Sklansky 1,902]

Man Up http://www.grantland...ullying-scandal

 

 

Pretty much the best article I've read on the situation.

 

Such a headshot jock troll. Perfect.

[The Machine 210]

I guess we're in the "dig up old dirt about all relevant parties" stage. But this headline still made me laugh:

 

Richie Incognito Was Accused Of Rubbing His Junk On A Woman Last Year

[David_Sklansky 1,902]

I guess we're in the "dig up old dirt about all relevant parties" stage. But this headline still made me laugh:

 

Richie Incognito Was Accused Of Rubbing His Junk On A Woman Last Year

 

TBF, name an NFL player who hasn't half-rapped a girl and I'll name you an NFL player who has fully raped one.

[AmScray 355]

Would the entire team cover up for Incognito knowing Martin is going to come out with the truth?

 

Yes, they would.

Six cops at an illegal traffic stop will all lie for each other because that's what 'teammates' do.

Think an NFL locker room is some paragon of virtue?

[NickCave 194]

Yes, they would.

Six cops at an illegal traffic stop will all lie for each other because that's what 'teammates' do.

Think an NFL locker room is some paragon of virtue?

 

Yeah, Martin broke protocol. Like in any gang, and let's be honest, that's exactly what we're talking about here,NFL locker room, the police, the mafia, going outside is unacceptable. No matter how legitimate Martin's grievance was, he immediately became the bad guy when he turned rat. Seriously, Incognito could have actually done all the things he threatened Martin with (shit in his mouth, give his sister a cream pie, murder him), and it still would have been a worse crime for Martin to take that business outside the locker room.

 

At that point, every single person in that locker room would lie through their teeth to discredit Martin. And so they are.

 

 

I happen to thing that whole Omerta culture is a joke, and I'm 100% on Martin's side. There's no way, when even the remotest option exists, that Martin should have to fight another adult to get him to lay off. Just because "it's the NFL" and it's "a grown man's game" doesn't mean everyone turns into a barbarian. Options existed. Martin exercised them. People who are vilifying him as a coward or a pussy are misguided.

[The Machine 210]

Think an NFL locker room is some paragon of virtue?

 

I don't think that. But they knew Martin and his lawyers were preparing documents that will go into detail about everything that happened. And if you're out here vehemently denying it and then the truth comes out, that's going to be a whole lot worse for you.

 

Like Rafael Palmeiro wagging a finger at Congress or Ryan Braun's press conference blasting everyone (the first one anyway).

 

Obviously I don't know what really went on in there, but it seems like their best course of action would be to do what the front office types are doing. "We can't comment on an ongoing investigation."

 

Listening to Olbermann last night and it sounds like the GM and coach knew exactly what was going on. This is going to be the bounty situation where the rules of the game change. Every team does it, but the Dolphins are going to take the full punishment because the NFL can't publicly condone it.

[NickCave 194]

I don't think that. But they knew Martin and his lawyers were preparing documents that will go into detail about everything that happened. And if you're out here vehemently denying it and then the truth comes out, that's going to be a whole lot worse for you.

 

Like Rafael Palmeiro wagging a finger at Congress or Ryan Braun's press conference blasting everyone (the first one anyway).

 

Obviously I don't know what really went on in there, but it seems like their best course of action would be to do what the front office types are doing. "We can't comment on an ongoing investigation."

 

Listening to Olbermann last night and it sounds like the GM and coach knew exactly what was going on. This is going to be the bounty situation where the rules of the game change. Every team does it, but the Dolphins are going to take the full punishment because the NFL can't publicly condone it.

 

This shit has already happened. Remember when that guy got his ****ing eyesocket shattered a while back in a hazing incident? (It's on the front page of Deadspin right now, which I'm sure you already know, because it's obvious we both refresh the site all day.)

 

I think this culture is a ways out from being eliminated. Fraternities pull this crap (and every year, somebody is either killed or horribly maimed), and every once in a while we'll hear some campus has outlawed hazing, but a few months later everyone forgets and we're right back to where we started. It's a symptom of a larger disease.

[The Machine 210]

I hadn't seen that because I actually only go to Deadspin when I see an interesting article tweeted out.

 

I heard someone say that the Marines have a strict no hazing policy. Has that worked out for them or do they just do a better job at keeping it quiet? Downey and Dawson notwithstanding.

[NickCave 194]

I hadn't seen that because I actually only go to Deadspin when I see an interesting article tweeted out.

 

I heard someone say that the Marines have a strict no hazing policy. Has that worked out for them or do they just do a better job at keeping it quiet? Downey and Dawson notwithstanding.

 

Yeah, but they have boot camp, which is like the worst hazing of anyone's life.

[NickCave 194]

Downey and Dawson notwithstanding.

 

Saw this like twenty minutes after you posted that.

[David_Sklansky 1,902]

"I'm setting the temperature. The temperature is set for men."

 

Troll level: Damon Bruce. Step your game up, Grantland.

[The Machine 210]

Saw thislike twenty minutes after you posted that.

 

That "you, Roger Goodell?" in the middle is perfect.

 

The Lieutenant Weinberg shot in that speech always cracks me up. He's just sitting there like, "I have no responsibilities here whatsoever" and a Colonel calls him out.

 

 

"I'm setting the temperature. The temperature is set for men."

 

That's an incredible line right there. I'm using this and every possible variant whenever I can.

[David_Sklansky 1,902]

That "you, Roger Goodell?" in the middle is perfect.

 

The Lieutenant Weinberg shot in that speech always cracks me up. He's just sitting there like, "I have no responsibilities here whatsoever" and a Colonel calls him out.

 

 

 

 

That's an incredible line right there. I'm using this and every possible variant whenever I can.

 

It truly is flawless. I'm making it my sig.