Mistakes In Poker.

[steve7stud 0]

One of the things that I'm curious about are what types of mistakes people are making when they play poker. It can be a common mistake, or something that's not so common.Feel free to share mistakes that you see yourself making on a regular basis or from time to time.The other night I met up with a friend at a casino. It was my intention to play in a fairly specific game. The game had a waiting list, so I waited. After an hour or so I grew tired. I realized that if I was to play in the game, I probably would not be in the best frame of mind. So I left.In the past I would have jumped into a no limit game, or waited it out for this particular game......growing more and more frustrated. Obviously not the ideal way to start off a session.That is when I became curious about what others are doing well, but in this case.........not so well.Feel free to share. Hopefully we can all learn from each other.

[lurbz 2]

Whenever I sit at a cash table.

[steve7stud 0]

Whenever I sit at a cash table.

Not sure if you are joking or serious. Do you primarily play tournaments or sngs?

[fighter 4]

The mistakes that interest me are the ones that earn me money. Lets just say it is game theory optimal to continuation bet the flop in NLHE 55% of the time. Now if I was to continuation bet more, I am opening myself up to being exploited by someone else playing GTO. If they are not GTO to begin with though , There is a chance that my mistake is exploiting them. It is a mistake since it is not perfect play. However since the opponents themselves are not flawless, It is the most +ev move. Even though it was not my intention or a specific adjustment. That's why when people say "learn solid poker at micro", I always think of these inadvertent "mistakes" they can pick up without knowing it and how the learning curve can be so wide at different limits moving up. Your "winning plays" are the problem. If you mix this with the natural variance in poker and physiological issues involved with winning and losing money, Is it any wonder that most people will never be good.

[steve7stud 0]

The mistakes that interest me are the ones that earn me money. Lets just say it is game theory optimal to continuation bet the flop in NLHE 55% of the time. Now if I was to continuation bet more, I am opening myself up to being exploited by someone else playing GTO. If they are not GTO to begin with though , There is a chance that my mistake is exploiting them. It is a mistake since it is not perfect play. However since the opponents themselves are not flawless, It is the most +ev move. Even though it was not my intention or a specific adjustment. That's why when people say "learn solid poker at micro", I always think of these inadvertent "mistakes" they can pick up without knowing it and how the learning curve can be so wide at different limits moving up. Your "winning plays" are the problem. If you mix this with the natural variance in poker and physiological issues involved with winning and losing money, Is it any wonder that most people will never be good.

Imo, most people will never be good, not because they lack technique, they lack discipline.No limit, esp online has evolved so much that I wouldn't know where to begin. A person has to have a good sense of poker overall. From there, different strategies are going to work differently in various scenarios.I would say that it is far more important to understand human nature than it is to try and figure out how to play against different types of players.

[lurbz 2]

Not sure if you are joking or serious. Do you primarily play tournaments or sngs?

Was serious in a joking manner. I'm awful in cash.I'm a SNG and Turbo MTT player, I play fine in live cash, but the moment I get into online cash my mind refuses to work properly and I do a lot of stupid things.Not sure why.Not gonna discuss reasoning behind it but it's one of my many mistakes, I do want to learn it but I just suck.

[fighter 4]

Imo, most people will never be good, not because they lack technique, they lack discipline.No limit, esp online has evolved so much that I wouldn't know where to begin. A person has to have a good sense of poker overall. From there, different strategies are going to work differently in various scenarios.I would say that it is far more important to understand human nature than it is to try and figure out how to play against different types of players.

How are these conflicting studies ?

[mtdesmoines 3]

One of the things that I'm curious about are what types of mistakes people are making when they play poker. It can be a common mistake, or something that's not so common.Feel free to share mistakes that you see yourself making on a regular basis or from time to time.The other night I met up with a friend at a casino. It was my intention to play in a fairly specific game. The game had a waiting list, so I waited. After an hour or so I grew tired. I realized that if I was to play in the game, I probably would not be in the best frame of mind. So I left.In the past I would have jumped into a no limit game, or waited it out for this particular game......growing more and more frustrated. Obviously not the ideal way to start off a session.That is when I became curious about what others are doing well, but in this case.........not so well.Feel free to share. Hopefully we can all learn from each other.

Frustration calls. Playing tired.

[FourFlusher 0]

I think one of my biggest mistakes is in not re-raising enough. Looking at my game I'm pretty sure I should be stuffing raises back at them instead of just calling with hands I want to play most of the time. A lot of bluffs can be exposed by re-raising with playable hands.

[crocd99 0]

Frustration calls. Playing tired.

agree with the frustration calls. i find myself doing this quite a bit when there is someone at a cash game with a very small stack and they refuse to add to there stack. Like when a guy takes a beat or loses a big pot and is left with much less than the minimum buy in sometimes they just sit there and complain forever. In these situtations i find myself calling with inferior hands just to try to get the guy out so a much bigger stack and more money can be brought to the table. Granted its not for a lot of money but over time this definately adds up.

[wildspoke 2]

I don’t know if it’s a ‘mistake’ per se more of a frustration. I can’t multi-table. Also, going on auto-pilot. Instead of considering the situation.

[TheWynn 0]

I would have to say: "Being able to extract the most money out of the villain(s) with my dominant &/or winning hands, instead of trying to get them out of the pot before they hit their draws". This is definitely much harder for me to do online. In a live game I can get a decent read on if someone is on a draw or have hit their draw and play more patient. For some reason online, I always think they hit their draws & am more liable to try & push them out of the pot (with my superior holding) before they can hit their draws or make a better hand.This is what frustrates me the most about my play recently.

[Stupidhead 2]

My personal biggest flaw would simply be not thinking hands through. By that I mean accurately putting players on ranges, and acting accordingly (usually fail on the second part more than the first).But the biggest mistake I see from a lot of players is pure arrogance. Some players in the low limits think that they have most of the right answers, when the truth is that they are still in the learning process and are still making mistakes. And when players that play higher limits try to help them out, their ego gets in the way of taking the criticism in the right way.

[myenemy 0]

I think one of my biggest mistakes is in not re-raising enough. Looking at my game I'm pretty sure I should be stuffing raises back at them instead of just calling with hands I want to play most of the time. A lot of bluffs can be exposed by re-raising with playable hands.

This. And along the same line, calling raises in position with moderately playable hands (i.e. suited connectors and small pairs), missing the flop entirely and insta-folding to c-bets. Their has to be some optimal number of times that those c-bets need to be reraised.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

overpaying for coaching.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Oh Mike.

[JubilantLankyLad 1,957]

looooooooooooool1 - thinking that just because i'm not "so tired I'm going to fall asleep" that i can focus and play anywhere near my best.2 - battling a sense of entitlement - "I'm better than this guy, so I don't have to work/pay attention/play well to win"

[GWCGWC 83]

Mistakes in poker?I make them. Every single time I sit at a table live, online, MTT, SNG or cash I will find myself making a mistake in a hand. I haven't looked at any GTO for HUNL(?) but I can't imagine cbetting in position 55% is nearly high enough. Like that's gotta be off by at least 30%.

[fighter 4]

Mistakes in poker?I make them. Every single time I sit at a table live, online, MTT, SNG or cash I will find myself making a mistake in a hand. I haven't looked at any GTO for HUNL(?) but I can't imagine cbetting in position 55% is nearly high enough. Like that's gotta be off by at least 30%.

I am mostly a 6max player. Ranges are tighter pre flop. Couldn't tell you much about anything HU NLHE.I have not studied GTO as a poker tracker stat averaged over all flops either. Between 55-65% seems to be around the standard for the winning players stats I have seen. edit: 85% cbet seems too high to not be exploitable though.

[JoeyFinngars 0]

I would have to say: "Being able to extract the most money out of the villain(s) with my dominant &/or winning hands, instead of trying to get them out of the pot before they hit their draws". This is definitely much harder for me to do online. In a live game I can get a decent read on if someone is on a draw or have hit their draw and play more patient. For some reason online, I always think they hit their draws & am more liable to try & push them out of the pot (with my superior holding) before they can hit their draws or make a better hand.This is what frustrates me the most about my play recently.

I have this issue online as well. Draw heavy board comes and I hit a top pair type hand, instead of playing thoughtful poker and extracting value from their "draw" or inferior hand I end up pushing them out. I guess it comes down to thinking every situation through from pre-flop to river and assessing as you go along. Too many times I put it in auto-mode and just coast through the hand hoping for the best outcome.

[myenemy 0]

I am mostly a 6max player. Ranges are tighter pre flop. Couldn't tell you much about anything HU NLHE.I have not studied GTO as a poker tracker stat averaged over all flops either. Between 55-65% seems to be around the standard for the winning players stats I have seen. edit: 85% cbet seems too high to not be exploitable though.

Really?Also, I would agree that c-bet rate has to be much higher than 55% but that is where I see the problem of not then exploiting c-bets enough. Im not saying not to do either one, but to do both, that is c-bet and exploit them.

[Collotto 0]

I think my main problem is multi-tasking. It is rare that I'm only playing online poker. More likely I'm watching TV, talking on the phone, surfing the web than concentrating on trying to figure out my opponents.

[Snamuh 0]

Really?Also, I would agree that c-bet rate has to be much higher than 55% but that is where I see the problem of not then exploiting c-bets enough. Im not saying not to do either one, but to do both, that is c-bet and exploit them.

He was saying ranges are tighter in 6 max than HU.

[GWCGWC 83]

I can't imagine trying to do GTO calcs in 6max NL. Even if it's possible, I wouldn't expect GTO to be as profitable as playing an exploitative stat that yields a higher win rate over a smaller sample of hands. When this becomes untrue, I think it's a pretty large game selection mistake.

[outsider13 0]

My biggest mistake is not detaching myself from my money. This prevented me from moving up in stakes for a long time. For the longest time I would play over-rolled for the stakes I was playing in. It also made me stressed out about moving up in levels. Basically I would nit up to the point that I would play horrible poker, even though I had the roll for the game.Anyways, it's something that I've recently got better at (the confidence in a higher stake game) but I still find myself glued to the cashier at all times. Perhaps I'm just a life nit.