JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Just FTR, being balanced and polarized are not always mutually exclusive. In some spots where I only have very big hands, I'll balance by taking the same action with some parts of the very bottom of my range. It's not terribly relevant to the current discussion, but whatevs. The reason polarization and imbalance are usually connected is that people will often bluff with too wide of a range for their value-betting range if they don't include any of the less-than-nut hands. But really it's just a matter of adjusting frequencies; c/r'ing 99 here allows and necessitates more c/r bluffs and c/c'ing 99 obviously means using less hands to bluff with. Now obviously one approach (c/c'ing or c/r'ing) can be better than the other, but the point is just that you need to adjust the rest of your ranges based on which action you take with such an important hand in your range. Also FTR, I have no idea if DN is balanced here or not.Yes, that's well said. I guess what I was suggesting was less "balance" than "distributed". I tried to expand on my thought by saying you'd want to be able to show up with anything (and didn't mean that DN was suggesting he wanted to have primarily bluffs or primarily value hands). Link to post Share on other sites
DinkDonk 1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This is a really good post. I assume we're talking about c/ring the river? Either way, we have pretty close to the nuts. If we're talking about not c/ring here because we're going to fold to a shove because he can rep JT and we cannot, does that mean that we're not c/ring T6 or 56 as well because we don't want to be shoved on because his shove is going to represent exactly JT? Seems pretty sketchy to me.Yeah, I was sort of talking about the river, but just in a general sense. I really have no idea what the actual frequencies should be here. Yes, that's well said. I guess what I was suggesting was less "balance" than "distributed". I tried to expand on my thought by saying you'd want to be able to show up with anything (and didn't mean that DN was suggesting he wanted to have primarily bluffs or primarily value hands).Right, you're talking about merging a polarized range with a middling value range to make it more difficult for an opponent to construct a bluff-catching range. I agree that in most spots, having a diverse distribution is by far the best way to balance. Again, I was really just talking general theory and pointing out that in some spots a polarized range is the perfect way to balance. I honestly know nothing about high level NLHE or this specific spot. Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I haven't discussed poker strategy with ANY of the players in the game. The people I talk to don't play in it. They were watching the hand and as soon as it ended we discussed and he agreed that considering the game dynamic and flow, that a river check-raise would have been burning money, and check-raising the turn gets him off all the hands I want him to continue with. I am very new to poker and am probably the last person that should be posting about this but whatever...By just looking at the hand in the converter my first thought was RAISE!!!! But then I have been in situations where I hit a set and checked/called. I knew if I bet the set, the person would fold and I wouldnt get a dime. If I raised him at any point chances are he was going to fold. But I know if I check called he would hang himself and just keep upping his next bet. At the same time, I understand his reasoning once the 8 came to not raise. If he raises and the person shoves, we have to think there is a decent chance he has the straight and we are huge dogs, so calling would make sense. He also stated that if he check raised he thought he would fold, wouldnt it make more sense to c/c and know you will get more money in the pot and know there is very little outs he can hit to beat you then c/r and end it there?D.N. said he has lots of history with the player, he's been playing the game and has the feel on the way things are playing. I have constentantly heard interviews and read that you take your first thought process of the hand and go based on that. If D.N. c/r the flop, he folds in which case he doesnt get another dollar. If he c/r the turn he thinks it will get him off the hand and again wont make another dollar. That was his thinking based on current game play and history, so wouldnt make that right. Sometimes the base theory of raising when you hit trips just isnt right based on history of play and the feel of the game.Not sure any of this makes sense, but it makes sense to me... But that being said, because I am new and I dont think as deep as the players playing for that kind of coin. I would have raised the flop.... Now let the flaming begin!!!Kosin Trouble Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Pretty sure that cts is never folding AA to a flop c/r brah. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Running Aces have been pretty kind to Daniel this session.PokerStars Game #41957260378: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/30 19:44:38 ETTable 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: good2cu ($45195 in chips) Seat 2: Bebop86 ($13440 in chips) Seat 3: nutsinho ($82230 in chips) Seat 4: I_WILL_MUCK ($52725 in chips) Seat 5: Sleyde ($23985 in chips) Seat 6: KidPoker ($43638 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $100good2cu: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***Bebop86: folds nutsinho: folds I_WILL_MUCK: folds Sleyde: raises $300 to $500KidPoker: raises $1300 to $1800good2cu: raises $3600 to $5400Sleyde: folds KidPoker: raises $5800 to $11200good2cu: calls $5800*** FLOP *** [4c 6c 7d]KidPoker: bets $12200good2cu: raises $21795 to $33995 and is all-inKidPoker: calls $20238 and is all-inUncalled bet ($1557) returned to good2cu*** TURN *** [4c 6c 7d] [As]*** RIVER *** [4c 6c 7d As] [Ad]*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Kh Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)good2cu: shows [Qh Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)KidPoker collected $87771 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $87776 | Rake $5 Board [4c 6c 7d As Ad]Seat 1: good2cu (big blind) showed [Qh Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and QueensSeat 2: Bebop86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: nutsinho folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: I_WILL_MUCK folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Sleyde (button) folded before FlopSeat 6: KidPoker (small blind) showed [Kh Ah] and won ($87771) with three of a kind, AcesPokerStars Game #41957609157: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/30 19:52:47 ETTable 'Cassini' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: good2cu ($39600 in chips) Seat 2: Bebop86 ($13240 in chips) Seat 3: nutsinho ($80430 in chips) Seat 4: I_WILL_MUCK ($52725 in chips) Seat 5: Sleyde ($27580 in chips) Seat 6: KidPoker ($86071 in chips) Bebop86: posts small blind $100nutsinho: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***I_WILL_MUCK: folds Sleyde: folds KidPoker: raises $400 to $600good2cu: folds Bebop86: folds nutsinho: calls $400*** FLOP *** [Qh 9s 2h]nutsinho: checks KidPoker: bets $800nutsinho: raises $1900 to $2700KidPoker: calls $1900*** TURN *** [Qh 9s 2h] [Ad]nutsinho: bets $5400KidPoker: calls $5400*** RIVER *** [Qh 9s 2h Ad] [Ah]nutsinho: bets $8200KidPoker: raises $12800 to $21000nutsinho: calls $12800*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Ac 9c] (a full house, Aces full of Nines)nutsinho: mucks hand nutsinho said, "darn"KidPoker collected $59495 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $59500 | Rake $5 Board [Qh 9s 2h Ad Ah]Seat 1: good2cu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Bebop86 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: nutsinho (big blind) muckedSeat 4: I_WILL_MUCK folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Sleyde folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: KidPoker showed [Ac 9c] and won ($59495) with a full house, Aces full of Nines Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 When 4 tabling 5/10. Do you use a Head up displays from Pokertracker or holdem manager?When the player pool is as large as it is at 5/10, It really helps get a basic read on the randoms that populate the game. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I wonder how everyone would run without pokertracker or HEM? Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I wonder how everyone would run without pokertracker or HEM?probably something like this .... Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 that's pretty good.... Link to post Share on other sites
govikes 0 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Playing....right meow Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I wonder how everyone would run without pokertracker or HEM?pocketdeuces use to 40 table without a HUD because there was no trackers for mac at the time. On a whole though, there would be alot less FR games going since the rake back whores/SNEs can barely break even with a HUD. Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 playing now Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 washed up...please move along.... Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Was the blog about the 1 million dollar challenges to Dwan, Antonious and Ivey an Aopril fools joke? Cant find a thread on it. Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 nevermind I missed the last sentence of that paragraph Link to post Share on other sites
govikes 0 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Playin heads up now Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 6 handed now. That table sure filled up quick Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 im so confused by DN sometimes.....PokerStars Game #42125231778: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/04/03 10:34:57 ETTable 'Bok III' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: aba20 ($40000 in chips) Seat 3: Mr Zahmat ($23095 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($61875 in chips) Seat 5: Sleyde ($19700 in chips) Seat 6: nutsinho ($37988 in chips) Mr Zahmat: posts small blind $100KidPoker: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***Sleyde: raises $400 to $600nutsinho: folds aba20: raises $1200 to $1800Mr Zahmat: folds KidPoker: raises $4200 to $6000Sleyde: folds aba20: calls $4200*** FLOP *** [Qh 7c 7d]KidPoker: bets $7200aba20: calls $7200*** TURN *** [Qh 7c 7d] [4c]KidPoker: checks aba20: bets $6000KidPoker: raises $42675 to $48675 and is all-inaba20: calls $20800 and is all-inUncalled bet ($21875) returned to KidPoker*** RIVER *** [Qh 7c 7d 4c] [3h]*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Js Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)aba20: shows [Kh Ks] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)aba20 collected $80695 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $80700 | Rake $5 Board [Qh 7c 7d 4c 3h]Seat 1: aba20 (button) showed [Kh Ks] and won ($80695) with two pair, Kings and SevensSeat 3: Mr Zahmat (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: KidPoker (big blind) showed [Js Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and SevensSeat 5: Sleyde folded before FlopSeat 6: nutsinho folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 After Busting in the tourney Daniel is playing again.This is an interesting hand to me. I wonder what Robl has here with the way he played it ?PokerStars Game #42381999535: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/04/08 17:59:22 ETTable 'Boyce V' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: good2cu ($42690 in chips) Seat 3: Bebop86 ($36385 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($49267 in chips) Seat 5: Sleyde ($39586 in chips) Seat 6: molswi47 ($70465 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $100Sleyde: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***molswi47: raises $400 to $600good2cu: calls $600Bebop86: folds KidPoker: raises $2000 to $2600Sleyde: folds molswi47: folds good2cu: calls $2000*** FLOP *** [Kc Ac 5d]KidPoker: bets $3800good2cu: calls $3800*** TURN *** [Kc Ac 5d] [2d]KidPoker: bets $8200good2cu: calls $8200*** RIVER *** [Kc Ac 5d 2d] [Qs]KidPoker: bets $11200good2cu: folds Uncalled bet ($11200) returned to KidPokerKidPoker collected $29995 from potKidPoker: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $30000 | Rake $5 Board [Kc Ac 5d 2d Qs]Seat 1: good2cu folded on the RiverSeat 3: Bebop86 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: KidPoker (small blind) collected ($29995)Seat 5: Sleyde (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: molswi47 folded before Flop Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted April 8, 2010 Share Posted April 8, 2010 daniel is a multi tabling machine Link to post Share on other sites
Jelly-Filled Ace 1 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Tough hand:PokerStars Game #42387669596: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/04/08 20:13:03 ETTable 'Boyce V' 6-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: ZeeJustin ($26943 in chips) Seat 3: Mr Zahmat ($41585 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($84783 in chips) Seat 5: Sleyde ($57827 in chips) Seat 6: molswi47 ($60760 in chips) ZeeJustin: posts small blind $100Mr Zahmat: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***KidPoker: raises $400 to $600Sleyde: folds molswi47: calls $600ZeeJustin: folds Mr Zahmat: calls $400*** FLOP *** [Jh 2h Kd]Mr Zahmat: checks KidPoker: bets $1400molswi47: calls $1400Mr Zahmat: raises $3550 to $4950KidPoker: raises $7050 to $12000molswi47: folds Mr Zahmat: raises $28985 to $40985 and is all-inKidPoker: calls $28985*** TURN *** [Jh 2h Kd] [Ts]*** RIVER *** [Jh 2h Kd Ts] [5c]*** SHOW DOWN ***Mr Zahmat: shows [2s 2c] (three of a kind, Deuces)KidPoker: shows [Jc Ks] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)Mr Zahmat collected $85265 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $85270 | Rake $5 Board [Jh 2h Kd Ts 5c]Seat 1: ZeeJustin (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: Mr Zahmat (big blind) showed [2s 2c] and won ($85265) with three of a kind, DeucesSeat 4: KidPoker showed [Jc Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and JacksSeat 5: Sleyde folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: molswi47 (button) folded on the FlopBook 'em Dan-O:PokerStars Game #42388153973: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/04/08 20:25:52 ETTable 'Boyce V' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: ZeeJustin ($36638 in chips) Seat 3: Mr Zahmat ($79355 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($40100 in chips) Seat 5: Sleyde ($56227 in chips) Seat 6: molswi47 ($63450 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $100Sleyde: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***molswi47: folds ZeeJustin: raises $400 to $600Mr Zahmat: folds KidPoker: raises $1400 to $2000Sleyde: folds ZeeJustin: calls $1400*** FLOP *** [2d 7h 8s]KidPoker: bets $2800ZeeJustin: calls $2800*** TURN *** [2d 7h 8s] [Tc]KidPoker: bets $6200ZeeJustin: calls $6200*** RIVER *** [2d 7h 8s Tc] [Kc]KidPoker: checks ZeeJustin: bets $25638 and is all-inKidPoker: calls $25638*** SHOW DOWN ***ZeeJustin: shows [Ks 9s] (a pair of Kings)KidPoker: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)KidPoker collected $73471 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $73476 | Rake $5 Board [2d 7h 8s Tc Kc]Seat 1: ZeeJustin showed [Ks 9s] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 3: Mr Zahmat (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: KidPoker (small blind) showed [As Ac] and won ($73471) with a pair of AcesSeat 5: Sleyde (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: molswi47 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
delved 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I've been personally thinking after watching that, ZJ playing that hand is completely retarded besides his turn call.Now the river seems alright to me, but he's basically throwing away chips being in that pot almost regardless after the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
delved 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 v1.11Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $100/$200 - 6 playersCO Mr Zahmat: $46,715.00 Button Sleyde: $34,635.00 SB Bebop86: $21,395.00 BB KidPoker: $40,000.00 UTG ZeeJustin: $21,600.00 UTG+1 molswi47: $104,442.00 Preflop: ($300.00) (6 players)2 folds, Mr Zahmat raises to $600, Sleyde calls $600, Bebop86 raises to $2600, KidPoker raises to $5800, 2 folds, Bebop86 calls $3200Flop: ($12,800.00) : : : (2 players)Bebop86 checks, KidPoker bets $7200, Bebop86 raises to $15595 and is all-in, KidPoker calls $8395Turn: ($43,990.00) : (2 players)River: ($43,990.00) : (2 players)Bebop86 showed : :, and won ($43985) with a pair of JacksKidPoker showed : :, and lost with high card AceBebop86 won $43985(Rake: $5) Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 i wonder if DN's opinion of playing in this game has changed lately. he seems to be down a bit lately, is he running bad? Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 i wonder if DN's opinion of playing in this game has changed lately. he seems to be down a bit lately, is he running bad? No. Link to post Share on other sites
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