Dn Playing 100/200

[Naismith 0]

I think it's pretty funny to see you get all butt-hurt whenever someone uses stakes as a credential, as if we haven't been hearing this from you for years.

LOL, you're much nicer on your real account name.

[Boners_Galore 0]

Im sure Daniel has accompilshed alot more in poker than than 50% off all the midstakes grinders put together so maybe they wld crush him at 8 tableing 5-10nl where the swings dont even make DN sweat,but he is a pretty good ambasador to the game so dont get to worked up over a minor comment where it seems youve misinterperted his coments to begin with. end rant.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

In the chat Daniel said he had K9 of clubs here.kerStars Game #41718538211: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/26 0:19:59 ETTable 'Giclas IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: snappo ($16695 in chips) Seat 2: Altrum Altus ($57310 in chips) Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK ($63685 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($60351 in chips) Seat 5: molswi47 ($23585 in chips) Seat 6: numbr1mom ($7880 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $100molswi47: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***numbr1mom: folds snappo: folds Altrum Altus: raises $400 to $600I_WILL_MUCK: folds KidPoker: calls $500molswi47: calls $400*** FLOP *** [6c 5h 9h]KidPoker: bets $1400molswi47: folds Altrum Altus: calls $1400*** TURN *** [6c 5h 9h] [9s]KidPoker: bets $3800Altrum Altus: raises $10400 to $14200KidPoker: raises $10400 to $24600Altrum Altus: calls $10400*** RIVER *** [6c 5h 9h 9s] [7s]KidPoker: bets $8200Altrum Altus: raises $22510 to $30710 and is all-inKidPoker said, "what a crazy hand this is"KidPoker: folds Uncalled bet ($22510) returned to Altrum AltusAltrum Altus collected $70195 from potAltrum Altus: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $70200 | Rake $5 Board [6c 5h 9h 9s 7s]Seat 1: snappo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Altrum Altus collected ($70195)Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: KidPoker (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 5: molswi47 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: numbr1mom folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Balloon guy 158]

Just happened, kind of a cooler, weird min raise form utg PokerStars Game #41718702148: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/25 21:26:40 PT [2010/03/26 0:26:40 ET]Table 'Giclas IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: snappo ($16695 in chips) Seat 2: Altrum Altus ($92705 in chips) Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK ($71460 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($25851 in chips) Seat 5: molswi47 ($22885 in chips) Seat 6: numbr1mom ($9900 in chips) I_WILL_MUCK: posts small blind $100KidPoker: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***molswi47: raises $200 to $400numbr1mom: calls $400snappo: folds Altrum Altus: folds I_WILL_MUCK: folds KidPoker: calls $200*** FLOP *** [6d 5d Kh]KidPoker: checks molswi47: bets $800numbr1mom: calls $800KidPoker: raises $2000 to $2800molswi47: calls $2000numbr1mom: folds *** TURN *** [6d 5d Kh] [5c]KidPoker: bets $6200molswi47: calls $6200*** RIVER *** [6d 5d Kh 5c] [Th]KidPoker: bets $16451 and is all-inmolswi47: calls $13485 and is all-inUncalled bet ($2966) returned to KidPoker*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Qc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fives)molswi47: shows [5h 5s] (four of a kind, Fives)molswi47 collected $47065 from potKidPoker said, "nh"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $47070 | Rake $5 Board [6d 5d Kh 5c Th]Seat 1: snappo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Altrum Altus (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: KidPoker (big blind) showed [Qc Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and FivesSeat 5: molswi47 showed [5h 5s] and won ($47065) with four of a kind, FivesSeat 6: numbr1mom folded on the Flop

[Balloon guy 158]

This hand was 5 hands earlierDN said he had Kc9C PokerStars Game #41718538211: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/25 21:19:59 PT [2010/03/26 0:19:59 ET]Table 'Giclas IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: snappo ($16695 in chips) Seat 2: Altrum Altus ($57310 in chips) Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK ($63685 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($60351 in chips) Seat 5: molswi47 ($23585 in chips) Seat 6: numbr1mom ($7880 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $100molswi47: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***numbr1mom: folds snappo: folds Altrum Altus: raises $400 to $600I_WILL_MUCK: folds KidPoker: calls $500molswi47: calls $400*** FLOP *** [6c 5h 9h]KidPoker: bets $1400molswi47: folds Altrum Altus: calls $1400*** TURN *** [6c 5h 9h] [9s]KidPoker: bets $3800Altrum Altus: raises $10400 to $14200KidPoker: raises $10400 to $24600Altrum Altus: calls $10400*** RIVER *** [6c 5h 9h 9s] [7s]KidPoker: bets $8200Altrum Altus: raises $22510 to $30710 and is all-inKidPoker said, "what a crazy hand this is"KidPoker: folds Uncalled bet ($22510) returned to Altrum AltusAltrum Altus collected $70195 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $70200 | Rake $5 Board [6c 5h 9h 9s 7s]Seat 1: snappo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Altrum Altus collected ($70195)Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: KidPoker (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 5: molswi47 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: numbr1mom folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Balloon guy 158]

After grinding back up from the $20K buy in he got this one.PokerStars Game #41719412217: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/25 21:58:31 PT [2010/03/26 0:58:31 ET]Table 'Giclas IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: snappo ($20000 in chips) Seat 2: Altrum Altus ($91200 in chips) Seat 3: I_WILL_MUCK ($72500 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($25720 in chips) Seat 5: molswi47 ($53240 in chips) Seat 6: numbr1mom ($8575 in chips) I_WILL_MUCK: posts small blind $100KidPoker: posts big blind $200*** HOLE CARDS ***molswi47: raises $200 to $400numbr1mom: folds snappo: folds Altrum Altus: calls $400I_WILL_MUCK: folds KidPoker: calls $200*** FLOP *** [Jh 8d Qc]KidPoker: checks molswi47: bets $800Altrum Altus: calls $800KidPoker: calls $800*** TURN *** [Jh 8d Qc] [9c]KidPoker: checks molswi47: bets $1975Altrum Altus: raises $4425 to $6400KidPoker: calls $6400molswi47: calls $4425*** RIVER *** [Jh 8d Qc 9c] [4d]KidPoker: checks molswi47: checks Altrum Altus: bets $15600KidPoker: calls $15600molswi47: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***Altrum Altus: shows [Kh Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)KidPoker: mucks hand Altrum Altus collected $54095 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $54100 | Rake $5 Board [Jh 8d Qc 9c 4d]Seat 1: snappo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Altrum Altus (button) showed [Kh Ts] and won ($54095) with a straight, Nine to KingSeat 3: I_WILL_MUCK (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: KidPoker (big blind) muckedSeat 5: molswi47 folded on the RiverSeat 6: numbr1mom folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[HighwayStar 8]

I hope DrArpadElo gets a seat. He should provide some entertaining chat if he hasn't had it banned.

[Voldemort 0]

I hope DrArpadElo gets a seat. He should provide some entertaining chat if he hasn't had it banned.

He's always good for that!

[HighwayStar 8]

Loosen up Daniel!

[Ganador 0]

hmmm.....interesting

[Boners_Galore 0]

hmmm.....interesting

Well, then it is pretty clear that this 5/10 player has proven that he can beat 100/200 because he cleaned up last night.

[nutzbuster 7]

SO ...are we done here now?Back to forum lame sauce?:sigh:

[DanielNegreanu 141]

FROM A POST ON ANOTHER FORUMI've debated whether I was going to share my thoughts on the hand, because to be honest, no one really tried to even understand the line that I took and offer a point of view that could be helpful. All I got was fold pre-flop and I played it bad on every street. Fair enough, but no one really explained why. So here is what I was thinking:I had been 3-betting from the SB pretty consistently so I decided to mix it up by flatting this time. I do understand that is not the optimal way to play the hand and it is not what I do 100% of the time. Pre-flop I often mix up how I play hands, sometimes 3-betting, sometimes flatting, and sometimes folding. I'm not claiming this is right, but it's how I play.On the flop, I decided to lead. I had already done that several times throughout the session with a wide variety of hands from strong, marginal, to air. I led that flop because I didn't really want it to get checked around and I felt like I'd just pick it up a decent percentage of the time. I had a backdoor club draw, and as deep as we were I thought that might be helpful and enough for me to be able to call a raise on the flop. Since I led, I figured I might also be able to win the hand if the turn was a 7 or an 8, possibly even a heart.When he called the flop, I didn't think he'd ever have a set there (I now believe my thinking to be wrong here and it's the main reason I misread it so badly.) My thinking was that he felt my lead was WEAK. I felt like he thought I was on a draw of some kind. I had that line of thinking going to the turn, that he felt I was bluffing based on my tendencies in past hands. SO:On the turn I hit a gin card, I thought, and I led at it as I would if I had a draw. When he raised me, I really wasn't sure what he had, but something told me he didn't have a full house. Again, my thinking was that he would raise the flop with a set. So, I decided to re-raise him thinking that he may be raising me with a hand like 1010-AA, or a straight/flush draw. I felt like my re-raise on the turn would be seen as a full house for sure. I figured by raising him, he'd fold the straight/flush draws thinking that he is drawing dead. I felt like he might raise me with an over pair with the intention of not putting another chip in the pot if I re-raised him. I also thought he might have 89, 910, 9J, 9Q, 9K, 9A. I also thought there was a chance he flopped a straight and would fold the turn to my 3-bet thinking I had to of flopped a set.On the river I bet small, which I'd already done a couple times before hoping to get raised. It worked. I got raised on the river by Queen high earlier so I felt like that bet could easily look like the nuts, but it was designed to save me 22k if I decided to check call. I guess check fold would have been better anyway, but I think throwing out the 8200 on the river helped me to be completely sure I was beat, because I wasn't. When he shoves I rule out 9-10 9-J 9-Q and 9-K from his range and now can't beat anything.The hand was only really weird because I played it really weird on every single street. I know that, and that's why I posted the hand asking for help. It is not how I normally would play the hand, but I wasn't just "clicking buttons" I was really trying to think about the hand on a high level. I get that I failed and am not really interested in 30 posts telling me that. I already know that.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I've debated whether I was going to share my thoughts on the hand, because to be honest, no one really tried to even understand the line that I took and offer a point of view that could be helpful. All I got was fold pre-flop and I played it bad on every street. Fair enough, but no one really explained why. So here is what I was thinking:More hand discussion

To add context to Daniel's post this is about the K9 hand and is a copy of a post he made at 4 where there was a discussion of it by some high stakes regs.

[Snamuh 0]

I'm not sure whether Daniel's more likely to respond here or there, so I'll copy my response over here:Daniel, your conflicting turn analysis makes it look like you are just turning your hand into a bluff - basically you are just trying to get him to fold his whole range (because you assume he never has a house). But this conflicts with your river action. Additionally it doesn't make a lot of sense to turn a hand closer to the top of your range into a bluff here. It's also a pretty dangerous assumption to say that he can never have a boat on the turn because I think most HSNL players would balance here at least some percentage of the time. Also, why would you assume he'd always raise a set on the flop, but not always raise a straight?It just seems that you are trying to win the pot right there without really thinking about the optimal line, as Doorbread stated.

[babylondonks 5]

please stop tapping the glass DN

[nutzzcase 0]

I don't really think he played the hand that badly. I'm pretty sure DN knows the standard line for that hand. DN is just trying to think on a different level and he's making mistakes in the process.

[BaseJester 1]

2+2 threadEdit: Link fixed. Thanks. Edited March 27, 2010 by BaseJester

[BaseJester 1]

double post. Hi!

[CoolHandKai 0]

2+2 thread

The link doesn't work, as somehow "%20thread" got inserted into it. The actual link would be http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-...nl/help-744691/EDIT: Still, thanks for the link (as I only saw the thread due to your post).

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Could I have won more here?PokerStars Game #41781461690: Hold'em No Limit ($100/$200 USD) - 2010/03/27 7:26:17 PT [2010/03/27 10:26:17 ET]Table 'Meeus' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: RunThisTable ($47520 in chips) Seat 3: theASHMAN103 ($31635 in chips) Seat 4: KidPoker ($38320 in chips) Seat 5: AlGohr ($35890 in chips) Seat 6: NegroVente1 ($81441 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $100AlGohr: posts big blind $200I_WILL_MUCK: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to KidPoker [Ac 8c]NegroVente1: folds RunThisTable: raises $400 to $600theASHMAN103: calls $600KidPoker: calls $500AlGohr: folds *** FLOP *** [Th 7c 2c]KidPoker: checks RunThisTable: checks theASHMAN103: bets $1600KidPoker: calls $1600RunThisTable: calls $1600*** TURN *** [Th 7c 2c] [4c]KidPoker: checks RunThisTable: checks theASHMAN103: bets $4600KidPoker: calls $4600RunThisTable: calls $4600*** RIVER *** [Th 7c 2c 4c] [Ah]KidPoker: bets $12000RunThisTable: calls $12000theASHMAN103: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Ac 8c] (a flush, Ace high)RunThisTable: mucks hand KidPoker collected $44595 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $44600 | Rake $5 Board [Th 7c 2c 4c Ah]Seat 1: RunThisTable mucked [9c Tc]Seat 3: theASHMAN103 (button) folded on the RiverSeat 4: KidPoker (small blind) showed [Ac 8c] and won ($44595) with a flush, Ace highSeat 5: AlGohr (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: NegroVente1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[DanielNegreanu 141]

I'm not sure whether Daniel's more likely to respond here or there, so I'll copy my response over here:Daniel, your conflicting turn analysis makes it look like you are just turning your hand into a bluff - basically you are just trying to get him to fold his whole range (because you assume he never has a house). But this conflicts with your river action. Additionally it doesn't make a lot of sense to turn a hand closer to the top of your range into a bluff here. It's also a pretty dangerous assumption to say that he can never have a boat on the turn because I think most HSNL players would balance here at least some percentage of the time. Also, why would you assume he'd always raise a set on the flop, but not always raise a straight?It just seems that you are trying to win the pot right there without really thinking about the optimal line, as Doorbread stated.

Yeah thanks that makes complete sense. I knew I played it bad as soon as I did it and that's why I posted the hand. I went into the hand with fancy ideas in my head and only tricked myself which often happens when you veer so far from your standard line. It was all weird, I get that.Not an excuse by any means, but the whole session pretty much sucked because I had tons of eyes gawking at my screen while playing in the lobby. Mark Vos was there to mock me and ask me what my net worth is, the two twins railed mostly the whole night, it was tough to focus in that environment for sure.

[Brian Aka Brian 0]

FROM A POST ON ANOTHER FORUMI've debated whether I was going to share my thoughts on the hand, because to be honest, no one really tried to even understand the line that I took and offer a point of view that could be helpful. All I got was fold pre-flop and I played it bad on every street. Fair enough, but no one really explained why. So here is what I was thinking:On the river I bet small, which I'd already done a couple times before hoping to get raised. It worked. I got raised on the river by Queen high earlier so I felt like that bet could easily look like the nuts, but it was designed to save me 22k if I decided to check call. I guess check fold would have been better anyway, but I think throwing out the 8200 on the river helped me to be completely sure I was beat, because I wasn't. When he shoves I rule out 9-10 9-J 9-Q and 9-K from his range and now can't beat anything.The hand was only really weird because I played it really weird on every single street. I know that, and that's why I posted the hand asking for help. It is not how I normally would play the hand, but I wasn't just "clicking buttons" I was really trying to think about the hand on a high level. I get that I failed and am not really interested in 30 posts telling me that. I already know that.

I think the small bet gives a faults tell that your bet/folding, I think after 3betting the turn and being called check/calling check/folding the river is the road to take. IMO checking the river put more pressure on Villain it makes his decision harder and gives you more information I don't see him shoving the nuts or a house so if he does shove I would be really confident that its a bluff, If he takes the small bet approach you took (on the river) I would bet a 100% of the time he never turns over something you beat. If this hand would have taken place on HSP I think you find a call some where.

[trystero 0]

Not an excuse by any means, but the whole session pretty much sucked because I had tons of eyes gawking at my screen while playing in the lobby. Mark Vos was there to mock me and ask me what my net worth is, the two twins railed mostly the whole night, it was tough to focus in that environment for sure.

Are you allowed to disable observer chat? I have to assume that pros are not, or that their software clients don't allow them to (counterbalance, of course, for the RunGood Red Button), because I cannot understand how anyone could play with all of that rail spam.

[BaseJester 1]

beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $100/$200 - 5 playersCO RunThisTable: $47,520.00 Button theASHMAN103: $31,635.00 SB Hero: $38,320.00 BB AlGohr: $35,890.00 UTG NegroVente1: $81,441.00 Preflop: ($300.00) Hero is SB with (5 players)NegroVente1 folds, RunThisTable raises to $600, theASHMAN103 calls $600, Hero calls $500, AlGohr foldsFlop: ($2,000.00) (3 players)Hero checks, RunThisTable checks, theASHMAN103 bets $1600, Hero calls $1600, RunThisTable calls $1600Turn: ($6,800.00) (3 players)Hero checks, RunThisTable checks, theASHMAN103 bets $4600, Hero calls $4600, RunThisTable calls $4600River: ($20,600.00) (3 players)Hero bets $12000, RunThisTable calls $12000, theASHMAN103 foldsRunThisTable mucked :tcHero showed , and won ($44595) with a flush, Ace highHero won $44595(Rake: $5)