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... So he would theoretically learn more from the same players at 25-50 where they are more comfortable and the money isn't affecting their judgement?
It's a trick question imo. Only way that becomes an accurate statement is if there was no such thing as a regular player in the 100/200 game.Playing a 25/50 player in a 25/50 player game would prove only that he could beat the 25/50 game.Playing a 25/50 player in a 100/200 game doesn't prove you can win at the 100/200 level, just that you can beat at 25/50 shot taker.If there is no such thing as a regular 100/200 player then this entire thread makes no sense at all.
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If there is no such thing as a regular 100/200 player then this entire thread makes no sense at all.
SHHHHHHHHHHthis thread was just getting interesting
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... So he would theoretically learn more from the same players at 25-50 where they are more comfortable and the money isn't affecting their judgement?
yes, if you want to learn how those players think about the game when they aren't worried about losing their rolls. andy beal tried to learn to beat the best by stressing their bankrolls. almost worked too, until a certain someone sat down opposite him.
It's a trick question imo. Only way that becomes an accurate statement is if there was no such thing as a regular player in the 100/200 game.Playing a 25/50 player in a 25/50 player game would prove only that he could beat the 25/50 game.Playing a 25/50 player in a 100/200 game doesn't prove you can win at the 100/200 level, just that you can beat at 25/50 shot taker.If there is no such thing as a regular 100/200 player then this entire thread makes no sense at all.
the non-trick question is, what's the lowest level to you have to have solid fundamentals to win at? or for DN, what's the highest level that simple solid fundamentals will be sufficient to win at. (in both cases, 'win at' vs the standard winning player. not the fish, not the superstars).
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yes, if you want to learn how those players think about the game when they aren't worried about losing their rolls. andy beal tried to learn to beat the best by stressing their bankrolls. almost worked too, until a certain someone sat down opposite him.
He ran bad
the non-trick question is, what's the lowest level to you have to have solid fundamentals to win at? or for DN, what's the highest level that simple solid fundamentals will be sufficient to win at. (in both cases, 'win at' vs the standard winning player. not the fish, not the superstars).
The lowest level would probably be one that has the least chance of randoms with $1,000 online who just want to play with a named pro, so I would guess the $5/$10 would be a bad level to do it at.$20/$40 would still let a guy with a grand to sit down...I guess you would want to just go around $100/$200?
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The fact of the matter is the 100/200 player pool basically IS the the 25/50 pool, outside of like maybe cts who might not waste his time sitting so low. So if someone is there to learn rather than max profit, 25/50 is probably the way to go.The biggest bummer is that Daniel doesn't care about the couple hundred thousand he's probably leaking, but also doesn't have the unlimited kinda money that it would take to break his Pokerstars contract so he can go play in the big game with the real guys he's trying to beat; durrr, ivey, and Patrick. To be honest Daniel is taking a lot of heat here and he might not be going about this all perfectly, but he's probably not too far off either. Most 'TV Pros' wouldn't even admit to themselves they need to get better.

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To be honest Daniel is taking a lot of heat here and he might not be going about this all perfectly, but he's probably not too far off either. Most 'TV Pros' wouldn't even admit to themselves they need to get better.
Agree. Respect.
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The fact of the matter is the 100/200 player pool basically IS the the 25/50 pool, outside of like maybe cts who might not waste his time sitting so low. So if someone is there to learn rather than max profit, 25/50 is probably the way to go.The biggest bummer is that Daniel doesn't care about the couple hundred thousand he's probably leaking, but also doesn't have the unlimited kinda money that it would take to break his Pokerstars contract so he can go play in the big game with the real guys he's trying to beat; durrr, ivey, and Patrick. To be honest Daniel is taking a lot of heat here and he might not be going about this all perfectly, but he's probably not too far off either. Most 'TV Pros' wouldn't even admit to themselves they need to get better.
FYP?Agree it's cool that DN sees that he can improve.
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daniel, if you wanted to play in the biggest and toughest games, then you would have to go play with the pros at www.fulltiltpoker.com. They spread 500/1000 there!
That would be the Bomba. Clothing optional I suppose
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I think everyone is forgetting that Daniel is losing his ass off right now at the $0.25/$0.50 levelhttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=132216Down $140.45 after 627 hands.If he can't beat those players he surely doesn't think he can beat the $100/$200 players?hopefully SW not required, but it's here just incase

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The fact of the matter is the 100/200 player pool basically IS the the 25/50 pool, outside of like maybe cts who might not waste his time sitting so low. So if someone is there to learn rather than max profit, 25/50 is probably the way to go.The biggest bummer is that Daniel doesn't care about the couple hundred thousand he's probably leaking, but also doesn't have the unlimited kinda money that it would take to break his Pokerstars contract so he can go play in the big game with the real guys he's trying to beat; durrr, ivey, and Patrick. To be honest Daniel is taking a lot of heat here and he might not be going about this all perfectly, but he's probably not too far off either. Most 'TV Pros' wouldn't even admit to themselves they need to get better.
Agree. Respect.
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Most 'TV Pros' wouldn't even admit to themselves they need to get better.
I wouldn't just limit this to TV Pros, although they definitely are the most obvious culprits - most poker players in general (obviously counting donks) won't admit the need to get better. People care about ego too much.
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This has become ridiculous and turned into "can a 5/10 player beat 100/200" arguement. DN has major leaks and all due respect to his courage, its very obvious he doesn't understand variance, if he goes on 20 buyin downswing followed by a 50khand breakeven stretch(lets pretend that won't affect his game) then it will have a huge impact on him. Its laughable that he admits he needs to improve and then ignores why; he needs to improve because online has taken over and made the game a lot tougher but he still manages to make condescending remarks about online grinders that he doesn't fully know or get, lets stop saying "respect" and remember his comment was that if you play 5/10 then you're not good enough to play higher, yea he expanded on that but I've read enough of his "haha internet player" blogs to ignore when he retracts cocky statements due to public outcry. The point made was that he could easily learn from playing players like Drgiggy and regs that grind 5/10, the fact that hes ran good and plays one table will hide the fact that not only can he learn from them, the top 5/10 grinders would crush him./rant

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if your good at live poker, props to you.im still not sold that many of these people that get these big online scores are winners when it comes to the live game, which, by the way, is real poker.
idk, Just seemed appropriate.
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This has become ridiculous and turned into "can a 5/10 player beat 100/200" arguement. DN has major leaks and all due respect to his courage, its very obvious he doesn't understand variance, if he goes on 20 buyin downswing followed by a 50khand breakeven stretch(lets pretend that won't affect his game) then it will have a huge impact on him. Its laughable that he admits he needs to improve and then ignores why; he needs to improve because online has taken over and made the game a lot tougher but he still manages to make condescending remarks about online grinders that he doesn't fully know or get, lets stop saying "respect" and remember his comment was that if you play 5/10 then you're not good enough to play higher, yea he expanded on that but I've read enough of his "haha internet player" blogs to ignore when he retracts cocky statements due to public outcry. The point made was that he could easily learn from playing players like Drgiggy and regs that grind 5/10, the fact that hes ran good and plays one table will hide the fact that not only can he learn from them, the top 5/10 grinders would crush him./rant
Im sure Daniel has accompilshed alot more in poker than than 50% off all the midstakes grinders put together so maybe they wld crush him at 8 tableing 5-10nl where the swings dont even make DN sweat,but he is a pretty good ambasador to the game so dont get to worked up over a minor comment where it seems youve misinterperted his coments to begin with. end rant.
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I've pretty much just left the posts alone in this thread, but this post comes off as pretty ignorant to me and is probably insulting to a lot of good winning players who play mid to high stakes.Do you know what 5/10 and 10/20 NL plays like these days? Do you know what it takes to grind out tens of thousands of hands in a 6max game with 4 other regs and a fish (or 5 other regs) and still win day after day? It's fine that you don't. It's not your job to know and it obviously doesn't say anything positively or negatively about you whether you know or not... ...until you start talking like you do know the skill level of those players and you're not speaking too highly of them. Then it makes you look bad imo.
I think it's pretty funny to see you get all butt-hurt whenever someone uses stakes as a credential, as if we haven't been hearing this from you for years.
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