raiderrr79 0 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 After playing some a tournament at Caesars AC i made my way to the poker rtoom for some cash game action. I sat down with 300 and had built it to about 800. the only two other larger stack was immediately to my right with about 600, most other stacks were around 200-300 and a couple with 100 or so.A little background on the table, there have not been many huge raises, and have been a fair number of limped or only raised to $7 pots thus far. Villain is a very tight and seamingly disciplined older guy. He has soft raised to $6 on a number of hands before.Here goesUTG calls $2UTG+1 calls $2UTG+2 foldsMP (villain)makes it $6MP+1 foldsMP+2 (hero) raises it to $30 with KKFolded all around and the villain calls.Flop comes 10c 8s 7cVillain leads out with $15 betI raise to $40Villain thinks and then calls the $40Turn comes 2hVillain checksI bet $75He thinks for longer and calls againRiver comes QsVillain goes all in for $195.I began replaying the hand in my head and based on previous play and his bets I figure the river helped him and start thinkin he has made a set on the river. I ask him and he says yes, another player on the table says thats my uncle, trust me he isnt lying. I tank for abour 2 minutes and make the call.I will post results laterIn the meantime can anyone tell me any critique on how I played the hand and what it appears that he might have??Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Preflop raise size is goodRiase more on the flopBet more on the turn Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I think he has a set. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 After playing some a tournament at Caesars AC i made my way to the poker rtoom for some cash game action. I sat down with 300 and had built it to about 800. the only two other larger stack was immediately to my right with about 600, most other stacks were around 200-300 and a couple with 100 or so.A little background on the table, there have not been many huge raises, and have been a fair number of limped or only raised to $7 pots thus far. Villain is a very tight and seamingly disciplined older guy. He has soft raised to $6 on a number of hands before.Here goesUTG calls $2UTG+1 calls $2UTG+2 foldsMP (villain)makes it $6MP+1 foldsMP+2 (hero) raises it to $30 with KKFolded all around and the villain calls.Flop comes 10c 8s 7cVillain leads out with $15 betI raise to $40Villain thinks and then calls the $40Turn comes 2hVillain checksI bet $75He thinks for longer and calls againRiver comes QsVillain goes all in for $195.I began replaying the hand in my head and based on previous play and his bets I figure the river helped him and start thinkin he has made a set on the river. I ask him and he says yes, another player on the table says thats my uncle, trust me he isnt lying. I tank for abour 2 minutes and make the call.I will post results laterIn the meantime can anyone tell me any critique on how I played the hand and what it appears that he might have??Thanks.Wait wait wait wait. YOu have a +/- $60 pot on the flop and the villain bets $15 and you don't raise to $85? Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 PF is fineOn the flop, as has already been discussed, raise more. I recommend raising to between $75 and $90. If you raise to $75, then the pot will be ~$210 on the turn and the villain will have ~$240. If you raise to $90, then the pot will be ~$240 and the villain will have ~$225. Based on the drawy nature of the flop and the villain's stack-size to pot ratio, I prefer a larger flop raise to around $90, leaving the villain a little under a PSB behind.So I suggest raising to $90 on the flop, planning to (reluctantly) call a shove. If the villain calls your raise, then you plan on shoving/calling all in on all blank turns and re-evaluating all cards which complete the flush/straight draws. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 yeah you should be betting and raising enough where the turn is a shove... I mean... your flop raise should be around the pot... which would make it 90 total or so... then the turn is an easy slight overshove.You gotta call on the river... yes... sets get played tricky this way, but you're getting better than 2:1 on the call and this could easily be one of the many whiffed draws.edt: didn't see merby's response... he pretty much nailed it Link to post Share on other sites
raiderrr79 0 Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 hopefully this isnt too early to post results...and thanks to all for the replies. Seems based on the advice I was being greedy and try to keep him interested instead of betting the right amount and get paid right.So he flips over after i make the call and like I thought, he showed up queens and had made his set on the river, hence that sudden aggression.I have faced worse beats before but for some reason i couldnt get the hand out of my head for the next hour and i kept thinking back on how I c could have avoided getting burnt on that river.Just seems that even if I bet hard like suggested, he would only lay down the queens if he gave me credit for kings or aces since by my raise preflop i dont think he can assume i have 10s or less and the board is benign aside from the straight draw which would require me to have a 69 which wouldnt make sense either.So the take away i guess is the larger flop and turn bets, and maybe that would have gotten him to lay down the queens on the turn with a shove? or do you think he would have called me down anyway? Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 don't even blink at this... if you played it correct the money was getting in and you were losing the pot anyhowyou should focus on the hands he could have showed up with that you could have ended up losing value from Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 don't even blink at this... if you played it correct the money was getting in and you were losing the pot anyhowyou should focus on the hands he could have showed up with that you could have ended up losing value from Link to post Share on other sites
Andynice20 0 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dibs on villian having Q-10! Link to post Share on other sites
gt9550 0 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dibs on villian having Q-10!Did you miss the results that were already posted? Link to post Share on other sites
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