Vlip: Voluntarily Living In Pot

[fakepoo 0]

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em $0.02 Ante - 7 players - View hand 558310The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterMP: $8.37CO: $15.59Hero (BTN): $24.23SB: $20.00BB: $32.16UTG: $10.00UTG+1: $20.00Pre Flop: ($0.29) Hero is BTN with Q 8 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checksFlop: ($0.54) 4 4 8 (4 players)SB checks, BB bets $0.40, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.44, SB folds, BB raises to $2.48, Hero?Villain in this hand had a VPIP of like 75 and was really dancing around. How should we proceed on this flop? Note: After playing with this villain for a while, I noticed he was leading for 1BB into nearly every pot on the flop. If raised, he would sometimes fold and sometimes call.

[trystero 0]

you're overplaying your hands...Q8 isn't that good on this board. Raise preflop and proceed from there. If villain was calling/folding to flop raises mostly, then his 3-bet here should scare you a bit, especially since this pot was limped.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em $0.02 Ante - 7 players - View hand 558310The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterMP: $8.37CO: $15.59Hero (BTN): $24.23SB: $20.00BB: $32.16UTG: $10.00UTG+1: $20.00Pre Flop: ($0.29) Hero is BTN with Q 8 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checksFlop: ($0.54) 4 4 8 (4 players)SB checks, BB bets $0.40, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.44, SB folds, BB raises to $2.48, Hero?Villain in this hand had a VPIP of like 75 and was really dancing around. How should we proceed on this flop? Note: After playing with this villain for a while, I noticed he was leading for 1BB into nearly every pot on the flop. If raised, he would sometimes fold and sometimes call.

A limped pot with four players seeing a flop with a paired board and the BB is tipping chips in .... fold fold.

[Merby 3]

Fold preflop

[rrumsey 0]

Fold preflop

agreed, but dont put a massive amount of chips into the middle if you find yourself on this flop

[fakepoo 0]

I guess this is a concept I need to get used to. Let me see if I understand: I look at Q8 on the button here and, after the limper plus the blinds and antes, I'm getting like 4 to 1 on a call. Instead, I should be trying to punish the limpers and steal. Is this correct?I will try to incorporate this into my game for my next session.

[trystero 0]

in NLHE having the initiative is very profitable just because making hands is hard to do. By isolating preflop you're giving yourself a chance to win without making a hand. When you're in position you should want the initiative even more because it provides you with more tools - players check to the raiser, and if you want to take a free card or pot control, then you're at a liberty to do so.

[rrumsey 0]

you are facing a station in the co, make hands and bet/raise him, but there is no need for thin lines, he will pay off when you connect nicely, that is what stations do

[jmbreslin 0]

I guess this is a concept I need to get used to. Let me see if I understand: I look at Q8 on the button here and, after the limper plus the blinds and antes, I'm getting like 4 to 1 on a call. Instead, I should be trying to punish the limpers and steal. Is this correct?I will try to incorporate this into my game for my next session.

Here I come again with my conservative advice: keep it simple and just fold preflop. Q8 is trash. The problem is similar to the 73s hand - what flop are you really going to like? Honestly, unless you're a world-class postflop player you're just not going to make money playing hands like this.

[SwolyswoND 1]

I'd have no problem with him limping along with Q8s if he's comfortable playing postflop, but yeah Q8o is either position raise/bluff or fold.

[rrumsey 0]

Here I come again with my conservative advice: keep it simple and just fold preflop. Q8 is trash. The problem is similar to the 73s hand - what flop are you really going to like? Honestly, unless you're a world-class postflop player you're just not going to make money playing hands like this.

unless you flop two pair, i really dont put hardly any money into the pot. not conservative, just smart. like swolys said, if you feel you can play it postflop, it isnt a horrible call, but if you can't just avoid it and save your money