The Best Way To Get Value

[30odd6 0]

i'm on the button with JJ and we are all pretty much even stacked with 135BB. mp calls, i raise 4xBB, BB calls, mp folds. flop comes 6hJd6c. BB checks and i bet 5/8 pot, BBsmooth-calls. turn comes 10s, BB leads out with 3/4 pot. i know what hes got, and i'm thinkin you do to (im thinkin they're suited diamonds). how to play it from here to possibly get all the chips in, either here or on the river?. i'll leave it at that til later.i'd like to hear what people are puting BB on, and the thought process thxsorry guys, i misswrote the stacks! previous...it was only 35 instead of 135. frikin computer illiterate.

[fakepoo 0]

tiny-super-small-min-raise turn then shove river if it gets that far.

[30odd6 0]

tiny-super-small-min-raise turn then shove river if it gets that far.

what are you puting him on...and why

[fakepoo 0]

Maybe my math is a little off but, on the turn, you have 25 BB left and there is already 21 BB in the pot and he bets 3/4 of that which is 15 or your 25 so a minraise is the same as a shove and once here he is not folding for another 10BB.

[30odd6 0]

i screwed up the stacks and didnt see it til poo pointed out the math, sorry

[rrumsey 0]

what are you puting him on...or should we keep that til later?

3 x raise then get it in on the river, min raises imo look wierd! make it look realistic. then stick it in. i assume we aren't making that a wierd stack size bc then we have to shove turn. i hate micro raises thou, get max value

[fakepoo 0]

135 BB definitely makes a difference in how we play it vs. 35 BB. So now, on the turn, there is 21BB in the pot, you have 125BB left and the bet is 15BB. If you call, then the pot on the river will be 51BB and your stack will be 110BB. A shove would be for more than 2x the pot and you don't want to do that. If, instead, you minraise the turn then the pot on the river will be 81BB and your stack will be 95BB. A shove here is better but still rather large. The thing I like about it is that a shove of this size looks bluffy and might get called by a jack and certainly a 6 is calling. You could also 3x the bet on the turn making a river shove even smaller. Really, the biggest difference is that bluffers see a minraise and think it is too small to fold and sometimes go ape$#^& on it. If you 3x the turn, you will only likely get action from real hands (all 6s and some Js). The only thing I would not do is smooth call the turn unless you have history with this opponent and he has a tendency to value-bet thin on the river.

[outsider13 0]

Why is that you seem to always know exactly what the villain has? He could have A6, Diamonds, A6 of diamonds, TT, 88, 99, etc. You do not know what he has. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here and you'd be rich. Put him on a range and play accordingly.You raise here. Based on the way he played that hand, he could have a 6, nfd, who knows, maybe even QQ. Of the possible hands he has, he could be willing to get it in. If he bricks the river, you lose any chance of getting extra value.

[30odd6 0]

i figure a call pre narrows it to less than1010, no pre reraise. chk call flop brings it to having a piece or seeing a card with KQ Jx and no pair, cuz i'd re-raise to get me off AK. leads out on turn says A6 K6. thats how i know what he has. i was lookin for someone to do what i just did but no takers. this being said, an all-in turn gets his stack

[30odd6 0]

i figure a call pre narrows it to less than1010, no pre raise. chk call flop brings it to having a piece or seeing a card with KQ Jx and no pair, cuz i'd re-raise to get me off AK. leads out on turn says A6 K6. thats how i know what he has. i was lookin for someone to do what i just did but no takers. this being said, an all-in turn gets his stack

no, i cant put him on Jx, i have 2 and 1 on board, and KQ isnt going to lead out and chance a raise to get him off a straight draw.

[Biff Goods 0]

i figure a call pre narrows it to less than1010, no pre raise. chk call flop brings it to having a piece or seeing a card with KQ Jx and no pair, cuz i'd re-raise to get me off AK. leads out on turn says A6 K6. thats how i know what he has. i was lookin for someone to do what i just did but no takers. this being said, an all-in turn gets his stack

Pretty dangerous to be this confident in what your opponent has. Especially when part of your analysis is based off of how YOU would play the hand. You aren't playing you...you are playing someone else with different tendencies...that you seem to not care about taking note of. What is your opponents limp/calling range? What is his impression of you and would this change his call preflop any? Is he tight or loose? Aggressive or passive? Does he seem to know what he is doing or making a lot of mistakes? Is your opponent likely to call weak on a flop or is he only calling with a possible winning hand or a draw to a possible winning hand? On the turn what is the range of hands that he leads out with after just calling your flop bet? Does your opponent bluff busted draws or attempt to value bet with thin hands? Does your opponent like to slow play? --------------------------------------------If you were able to answer some of these questions you would be more clear on what to do in this hand. You can just say, "I flopped jacks full, the other guy has a flush draw.....how do I win?" because the only way that would be possible is if you and your opponent just flipped your cards up pre-flop and played the hand. What's funny is it really doesn't matter what he has because stack size dictates he is gonna pretty much get it in with even the mediocre to bad end of his hand range on the turn. There is just too much money in the pot in comparison. That's why 35bb's is different from 135bb's

[Tehtoe 3]

*bang*

[30odd6 0]

yes, there is a lot to look at (if we were playing live and seen the players tendencies) but we dont know this guy or his tendencies. there is NO possible flush to be made. (and i said i was sorry for missing the 135 at first). if i raise the turn, he's just calling with@85BB left. there would be @95 in the pot. he's going to either chk rvr with nothing, value bet steal/see if i come over the top. if i push it all on river...he knows i have the boat 1010 or JJ. i lose chips. i could get away from A6 very easy....so i lost 1/2 my stack, im still sitting ok.

[30odd6 0]

the guy gets coolerd with A6, i've been there. i get it all by pushing and lose what i could have had by calling turn. and if hes got nothing...i lose nothing by pushing

[30odd6 0]

wow, i was expecting to see a lot of card readers out there. i seen tehtoe, highway, trueace, etc. look at this post more than once and no one took a shot at it. i'm dissappointed. i really wanted sombody to go in the tank and put the BB on a hand. also to hear how someone would play this one. tell me if i'm wrong? you dont know the guy and he doesnt know you. you are both playin the best poker you can, and i knew what he had. unless BB was a complete idiot, its the only conclusion to come up with. yet, im a losing player. if all a player does is play standard ABC poker and never discusses wild situations like i brought up twice before....wtf do you do when faced with them?? dont tell me you NEVER had a brain fart situation. maybe everyone does play perfect poker//// i dont know.this was reading hands 101 damn coolers

[30odd6 0]

wow, i was expecting to see a lot of card readers out there. i seen tehtoe, highway, trueace, etc. look at this post more than once and no one took a shot at it. i'm dissappointed. i really wanted sombody to go in the tank and put the BB on a hand. also to hear how someone would play this one. tell me if i'm wrong? you dont know the guy and he doesnt know you. you are both playin the best poker you can, and i knew what he had. unless BB was a complete idiot, its the only conclusion to come up with. yet, im a losing player. if all a player does is play standard ABC poker and never discusses wild situations like i brought up twice before....wtf do you do when faced with them?? dont tell me you NEVER had a brain fart situation. maybe everyone does play perfect poker//// i dont know.this was reading hands 101 damn coolers

i dont know??/u tell me...was everyone affraid to stick thier neck out and get criticized for coming up with the wrong card reading abilities? 150 views and "1 guy", vaguely put a hand theory out there....i dont get it

[30odd6 0]

wheres all the comments from all these smart players???

[GOCUBSGO 77]

wheres all the comments from all these smart players???

you are in the wrong place

[HighwayStar 8]

Some of us are busy!I'll prob look later when I'm not 12 tabling. Playing the flopped nizzles can't be too hard though.

[trystero 0]

how on earth should we put him on a hand when we know nothing about him? like against some guys you could rule out TT because they'd 3-bet it pf.you should be trying to put him on a range anyway and not one hand. and that range includes some AdXd hands that turned the NFD, pocket pairs, TT, and 6x.

Why is that you seem to always know exactly what the villain has? He could have A6, Diamonds, A6 of diamonds, TT, 88, 99, etc. You do not know what he has. If you did, you wouldn't be posting here and you'd be rich. Put him on a range and play accordingly.

yeah this

[TrueAce13 18]

try to get your money in the middle?

[30odd6 0]

how on earth should we put him on a hand when we know nothing about him? like against some guys you could rule out TT because they'd 3-bet it pf.you should be trying to put him on a range anyway and not one hand. and that range includes some AdXd hands that turned the NFD, pocket pairs, TT, and 6x.yeah this

there isnt ANY flush draw....thats how much attention you pay to details. unless youre talking pre with A6 diamonds...cuz thats all you SUPERB players know LOL pre and flop...now post flop game, thats sick111111

[rrumsey 0]

shoving over the turn is 30 BB pot for 6BB. LOL, doesn't take a genius. AND YES IN MY SMART ASS RESPONSE I DID FUDGE THE MATH LOL! AHAHAH whatever, for the few who caught that before i fixed it

[rrumsey 0]

wow, i was expecting to see a lot of card readers out there. i seen tehtoe, highway, trueace, etc. look at this post more than once and no one took a shot at it. i'm dissappointed. i really wanted sombody to go in the tank and put the BB on a hand. also to hear how someone would play this one. tell me if i'm wrong? you dont know the guy and he doesnt know you. you are both playin the best poker you can, and i knew what he had. unless BB was a complete idiot, its the only conclusion to come up with. yet, im a losing player. if all a player does is play standard ABC poker and never discusses wild situations like i brought up twice before....wtf do you do when faced with them?? dont tell me you NEVER had a brain fart situation. maybe everyone does play perfect poker//// i dont know.this was reading hands 101 damn coolers

wheres all the comments from all these smart players???

dude, in not being mean, odviously you are tilted a bit, but if you want ANY help from those guys, be nice. seriously. True, highway, tehtoe, and all of us enjoy talking poker with people and to help. but none of us like it when some is a jerk. play nice. this is from experience, just ask swolys how mad i made him sometimes. heck if i remember correctly i pissed true ace off a few times with douche comments. it happens. but learn to not do that. lol. Be nice and people WILL HELP AND DISCUSS. otherwise you will most likely get ignored. gl man!

[cashman 0]

what are you puting him on...and why

I'm curious too. What has he done to indicate a particular hand. Could have two overs, a pocket pair, or AJ but he raises w/most of these hands to get info. Basically you have to keep the bets small. Maybe even go lower with your bet on the turn so he will think you are weak. It would be obvious but online players seem to fall for that stuff. My guess he has nothing and you just have to hope that he is going to keep calling you.