I Think I Played This Right....

[KosinTrouble 0]

just want to know if you think this is right move... I didnt think he had trips or pocket pair.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (CO) ($2.56)Button ($4)SB ($0.82)BB ($2.86)UTG ($4.83)UTG+1 ($3.28)MP1 ($1.05)MP2 ($2)Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.14, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.12Flop: ($0.46) 3, 4, 4(3 players)SB checks, MP1 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.54, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.71 (All-In)Turn: ($2.28) 9(2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($2.28) 9(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $2.28 | Rake: $0.10Results:MP1 had 7, 10 (two pair, nines and fours).Hero had K, A (two pair, nines and fours).Outcome: Hero won $2.18Kosin Trouble

[XXEddie 0]

Fold pre.

[Balloon guy 158]

You played it fine.You will be called by a pocket pair here often, but what are you going to do?

[nutzbuster 7]

Play higher so they respect your raises...

[mtdesmoines 3]

Play higher so they respect your raises...

ba dum bump

[trystero 0]

played finedownload pokerstove if you haven't already and you can see how much equity you have. you're in good shape against anything but a fh. then your shape kinda sucks.lol@his actual hand. guess he put you on..AK? but AK is ahead.

[Ninja Ace 1]

Played it fine, posted it wrong. Don't include results.

[Danege 1]

Just c/f the flop next time ainec.He could have trips or pocket pair.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

This has so little to do with you playing it right because the Villain played it so horribly. He makes a less than 1/2 pot sized stab with 10 high then CALLS when you push over the top? Are you freaking kidding me? What does he put us on - 9 High? He made a weak move, fine, but you don't call a raise when you're the one bluffing!!!I like the results, but don't know that I like the process that got us here. WHat are you pushing with? What are you putting the opponent on? Did you really think he was stupid enough to call with something like 10 high? What are we representing? This is why I hate strategy discussion for these stakes. You can't seriously expect two out of position callers of a preflop raise of 6X the BB to have NOTHING. We miss the Flop and then push against two players who should have something? I don't know.

[KosinTrouble 0]

This has so little to do with you playing it right because the Villain played it so horribly. He makes a less than 1/2 pot sized stab with 10 high then CALLS when you push over the top? Are you freaking kidding me? What does he put us on - 9 High? He made a weak move, fine, but you don't call a raise when you're the one bluffing!!!I like the results, but don't know that I like the process that got us here. WHat are you pushing with? What are you putting the opponent on? Did you really think he was stupid enough to call with something like 10 high? What are we representing? This is why I hate strategy discussion for these stakes. You can't seriously expect two out of position callers of a preflop raise of 6X the BB to have NOTHING. We miss the Flop and then push against two players who should have something? I don't know.

Sorry I should have included more info. This table had an avg vpip of 55%, of the ones that called, the villian was at 87%, the other was at the 55%. It didnt matter what you raised or how much those two were going to call you. The main villian that called, I just beat with trip 3's so I knew he was close to tilt and would call with any random 2 cards.When the flop came and sb checked i knew he didnt have anything, he only bets on flops when he hits at least 1 pair(even if its bottom pair). I figured villian missed completly and was just stealing. Because the last 2 times I bet 12 preflop I had a decent pair (QQ, JJ), he would figure I had another pocket pair. If he did call, and I was behind I was 100% sure he didnt have trips, so i had two over card outs plus the flush draw.Kosin Trouble

[mtdesmoines 3]

I'm still trying to figure out how you dodged both a 7 AND A T. I am incapable of doing that shit lately.

[droberts 3]

I'm still trying to figure out how you dodged both a 7 AND A T. I am incapable of doing that shit lately.

QFT

[trystero 0]

This has so little to do with you playing it right because the Villain played it so horribly. He makes a less than 1/2 pot sized stab with 10 high then CALLS when you push over the top? Are you freaking kidding me? What does he put us on - 9 High? He made a weak move, fine, but you don't call a raise when you're the one bluffing!!!I like the results, but don't know that I like the process that got us here. WHat are you pushing with? What are you putting the opponent on? Did you really think he was stupid enough to call with something like 10 high? What are we representing? This is why I hate strategy discussion for these stakes. You can't seriously expect two out of position callers of a preflop raise of 6X the BB to have NOTHING. We miss the Flop and then push against two players who should have something? I don't know.

it's an easy easy shove...even if one of them has a pocket pair we're favorites.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

it's an easy easy shove...even if one of them has a pocket pair we're favorites.

While I'll admit that it is closer than I'd originally implied (I'm an idiot), I think we are still at best a coin-flip against a PP (except ducks).

[Ninja Ace 1]

I think we are still at best a coin-flip against a PP (except ducks).

Which is why we shove. If you're likely to be flipping a coin you should ship in as much money as possible without turning your hand face up. The money in the pot makes flipping either side of the coin correct. Red line baby

[SwolyswoND 1]

While I'll admit that it is closer than I'd originally implied (I'm an idiot), I think we are still at best a coin-flip against a PP (except ducks).

Incorrect. Two overs and a FD is a favorite over a pair. 15 outs twice = ~60% chance to win

[rrumsey 0]

Incorrect. Two overs and a FD is a favorite over a pair. 15 outs twice = ~60% chance to win

exactly, play some plo and you will learn that, or limit holdem

[BaseJester 1]

Incorrect. Two overs and a FD is a favorite over a pair. 15 outs twice = ~60% chance to win

The rule of 2 or whatever becomes increasing inaccurate as the number of outs increases because that method treats the chances of hitting twice as zero.The board is paired in this case, so the the flush draw's equity is reduced.The profit from a semi-bluff here comes from when the pair folds, not from when it calls.

Board: 3c 4s 4cDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	49.596%	  49.60% 	00.00% 			  2946 			0.00   { AcKc }Hand 1: 	50.404%	  50.40% 	00.00% 			  2994 			0.00   { TT }

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

The rule of 2 or whatever becomes increasing inaccurate as the number of outs increases because that method treats the chances of hitting twice as zero.The board is paired in this case, so the the flush draw's equity is reduced.The profit from a semi-bluff here comes from when the pair folds, not from when it calls.

Board: 3c 4s 4cDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	49.596%	  49.60% 	00.00% 			  2946 			0.00   { AcKc }Hand 1: 	50.404%	  50.40% 	00.00% 			  2994 			0.00   { TT }

Thanks for verifying & posting.Looks like I didn't have to play some PLO nor Limit Hold'Em to have known that....maybe we helped plug a bit of a leak in a couple of our friend's games?

[trystero 0]

What leak though? We're basically 50% against a pocket pair w/0.60 in the pot already.....are we folding?

[SwolyswoND 1]

@Pot Odds RAC: It's still a shove, even if we are just flipping. DUCY?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

@Pot Odds RAC: It's still a shove, even if we are just flipping. DUCY?

Yes. But at least admit you were wrong on the %. DUCY?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

What leak though? We're basically 50% against a pocket pair w/0.60 in the pot already.....are we folding?

No, I understand the wisdom of the proposed action. My "leak" reference was @ those saying (in a somewhat condescending manner) that I was incorrect in characterizing it as a flip.

[SwolyswoND 1]

Fine, I was wrong that on this exact board we are a flip instead of a favorite against a PP.But in general, on a twotone flop, two overs + FD is a marked favorite over a pair.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Fine, I was wrong that on this exact board we are a flip instead of a favorite against a PP.But in general, on a twotone flop, two overs + FD is a marked favorite over a pair.

Now that we have that out of the way......I agree with you, and frankly I think this discussion may have helped me plug a small leak in my own game.