Zach6668 513 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 What kind of money are you guys thinking about? I'd definitely be interested in joining if it was reasonable. I'd have a lot of research to do, and I'd be an underdog from the get go, but it would be fun.Can't speak for the people in this potential pool, but if they were looking at anything like the FCHL, it'd be $30/year, which is obviously next to nothing, but keeps things interesting enough. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Can't speak for the people in this potential pool, but if they were looking at anything like the FCHL, it'd be $30/year, which is obviously next to nothing, but keeps things interesting enough.Yeah, I'd want to keep the money in line with the FCHL, as opposed to the AHL! Preferably just a nominal entry fee, no money for transactions, etc.Yeah I think I can imagine that. Or I can just ask whoever owns Zherdev, Radulov....I assumed it would be roto. Sorry if I was wrong, but the beauty of a baseball pool is the wide range of stats. If you just do a baseball pool based on 1 category, then yeah, just make it all of baseball, and let everyone draft only the stars. Personally, I would find that boring. Just me.Also, I can understand your hesitancy about a 1 league only pool. I felt the same when I joined an AL Only pool. But its awesome. Maybe Im just doing a poor job of explaining the benefits.Zherdev and Radulov (Hudler?) is not a fair comparison. Any league where the rules are the same for everyone is fair, so I would still be in for an AL-only league. Just seems like we'd be unnecessarily restricting ourselves. If we're only doing batters, and have, say 12 people. FCHL rosters have 26 players. That's 312 total players. 30 MLB teams, 8 starters each, that's 240. If we're doing rosters and farm teams in line with MLB, seems like we have an appropriate amount.I'm also far less interested in a league that involves 'just the stars.'I am in.I like the idea of an AL only but in a keeper league it is a big penalty if one of your keepers gets traded to the NL IMO. It depends of how many teams are in the pool. If we get 15 then AL/NL combined would work. If we get 10, then AL only is the way to go. Anything in between is a question mark.I would love to keep it simple and make it like AHL/FCHL. How about something like thise:.5 pt for runs.5 pt for rbi-.05 for your team pitching (works just like the AHL/FCHL were you have team pitching not individuals.)I'm with this. I'd be happy with more stats, but it will have to be relatively simple unless we can convince someone to program something clever. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Any league where the rules are the same for everyone is fair, so I would still be in for an AL-only league. Just seems like we'd be unnecessarily restricting ourselves. If we're only doing batters, and have, say 12 people. FCHL rosters have 26 players. That's 312 total players. 30 MLB teams, 8 starters each, that's 240. If we're doing rosters and farm teams in line with MLB, seems like we have an appropriate amount.See, the "just batters" seems a lot more ridiculous to me than saying just 1 league. Yes, if you eliminate pitchers (which is about 40% of the league), then yeah, its the same I guess. But thats cause you eliminated 40% of the league! that feels like "unnecessarily restricting ourselves" to me! Maybe its just what Im used to. Dont mean to argue, I really dont care, and your entitled to your opinion, just trying to help what might be the next FCBL. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 See, the "just batters" seems a lot more ridiculous to me than saying just 1 league. Yes, if you eliminate pitchers (which is about 40% of the league), then yeah, its the same I guess. But thats cause you eliminated 40% of the league! that feels like "unnecessarily restricting ourselves" to me! Maybe its just what Im used to. Dont mean to argue, I really dont care, and your entitled to your opinion, just trying to help what might be the next FCBL. I don't disagree, and would also be happy to be in a league with any of these rules. Pitching seems more difficult to decide on stats, plus you have the whole issue of adjusting the importance of pitching and hitting. I think including actual pitchers would complicate the league to an extent that would disclude people, unless we made the rosters, contracts, cap space, farm, etc simpler than the FCHL/AHL. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Is disclude a real word? Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Is disclude a real word?Yes...Main Entry: discludePart of Speech: vDefinition: to disclose, make knownAlthough, was it used correctly?I think we need to figure out how many teams there will be.Right now based on posts...DaleSergeDuane?DannySteveDonArp?SpeedJohnDubeyWayneThat is 11 right now.If we have no programming like in the FCHL to keep scores and such then we need to make the stats easier to tabulate each game day or whoever is in charge of that will get burned out pretty quick. I guess with 12 people or 15 we could do Pitchers. What is the penalty for not fielding a pitcher if none of your pitchers are in the rotation that day? I think it was discussed last year that you would have 3 gamedays a week on the busy days but what if your pitchers are on a rotation where they never play on one of those days? I think if you use pitchers you need to play many more games to allow all the teams a fair shot at playing pitchers. As opposed to doing teams. Can you do teams but add more stats?1 pt for a W-.5 for runs against.5 for a save-.25 for a walk.25 for a SOStill add more stats but still use the team.With batters to expand stats1pts for HR.25 for double.50 for triple.50 for RBI.25 for Run-.25 for SO.25 for walk.25 for SBI don't know. There is a lot of stats you can play around with. Link to post Share on other sites
3A 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It sounds to me that people aren't too interested in standard 5x5 scoring or maybe they just don't know what they would be getting into. This would be a fun type of direction to go while combining a few peoples ideas.Start any 10 batters each week. Minimal stats would be tracked my suggestion would be HR +4 SB +3 BB +1. This would make it more then just a HR derby although if even less stats are better then just doing HR's would make it super easy to track.Start any 3 pitchers each week. Only W-L matter for the team on games pitchers start. +10 for a win -10 for a loss. There could be a minimum games clause here or count as no goalies in the hockey pools. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Is disclude a real word?How about unclude? outclude? Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 You can remove the ? from my name, I am definitely interested/in Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 How about unclude? outclude?It's not a real word according to my spell check, but I'll trust Steve (just not Danny).I'm NOT in, fwiw, guys. I don't give a shit about baseball.Fwiw guys, in place of automated scoring, and in place of having one person do all the work, you could have your opponent tabulate your score for each game day, and you do the same for him of course. Since we always know our own scores, we can easily double check to make sure our score is correct, etc. Plus everyone is honourable, I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites
Ottawa_Biatch 288 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It's not a real word according to my spell check, but I'll trust Steve (just not Danny).I'm NOT in, fwiw, guys. I don't give a shit about baseball.Fwiw guys, in place of automated scoring, and in place of having one person do all the work, you could have your opponent tabulate your score for each game day, and you do the same for him of course. Since we always know our own scores, we can easily double check to make sure our score is correct, etc. Plus everyone is honourable, I'm sure.even though Zach isn't in. I think he would be an excellent candidate to do the scores for us. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Is disclude a real word?Webster's must have discluded it by accident.I'm sure there are a few people around (baseball forum?) that would be good additions but haven't said anything yet. Depending on the complexity, etc, I bet we can get at least 10 and probably 12. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Im more a ?. Little to do with the rules. I would probably not be in it if you guys decided that people had to tabulate their own scores. I just dont have the time in the summer/September. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 If we can have 2 or 3 people to keep track of scores then it should be fine and I would be okay with doing that. Just saying. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Im more a ?. Little to do with the rules. I would probably not be in it if you guys decided that people had to tabulate their own scores. I just dont have the time in the summer/September.I will do all your score tabulation if it gets you in the league. I love you that much.Like Steve, I probably have enough free time for the forseeable future to tabulate (or co-tabulate) scores for the entire league. Unlike Steve, I can actually add and use a computer, so we'll have at least one qualified candidate. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 i also dont have time to do scores in the summer unfortunately... Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I am serious that I can do scores. I do nothing at work all freaking day.Like yesterday...10am - got in, checked my email, talked to co worker to see what happened over the weekend.10:10am - emailed my wife10:12am - surfed internet1:30pm - went to lunch1:50 pm got back and ate lunch2:15 - went to netflix and watched Full Metal Jacket4:15 - surfed the internet5:00- went home.Today12pm - got in to work12:05 - checked email12:06 - talked to cleaners12:10 - surfed internet12:30- got a phone call12:37- went back to the internet1:00 found a site where you play curling. Played a game. Lost 11-132:10 had a visitor, showed them around2:25 - surfed on the internet3:45 - still surfingAs long as people can wait till the next day for scores, I have all the freaking time in the world to help out a lot with that aspect as long as we don't have like 25 different scoring categories. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I will do all your score tabulation if it gets you in the league. I love you that much.Like Steve, I probably have enough free time for the forseeable future to tabulate (or co-tabulate) scores for the entire league. Unlike Steve, I can actually add and use a computer, so we'll have at least one qualified candidate.missed this postDammit! Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I am serious that I can do scores. I do nothing at work all freaking day.Like yesterday...10am - got in, checked my email, talked to co worker to see what happened over the weekend.10:10am - emailed my wife10:12am - surfed internet1:30pm - went to lunch1:50 pm got back and ate lunch2:15 - went to netflix and watched Full Metal Jacket4:15 - surfed the internet5:00- went home.Today12pm - got in to work12:05 - checked email12:06 - talked to cleaners12:10 - surfed internet12:30- got a phone call12:37- went back to the internet1:00 found a site where you play curling. Played a game. Lost 11-132:10 had a visitor, showed them around2:25 - surfed on the internet3:45 - still surfingAs long as people can wait till the next day for scores, I have all the freaking time in the world to help out a lot with that aspect as long as we don't have like 25 different scoring categories.next day is perfect...This year in the AHL sometimes we waited 5 days Link to post Share on other sites
Speed Limit 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I like the idea of an AL only but in a keeper league it is a big penalty if one of your keepers gets traded to the NL IMO. It depends of how many teams are in the pool. If we get 15 then AL/NL combined would work. If we get 10, then AL only is the way to go. Anything in between is a question mark.This is something I can agree on, I really do like the beneficiary of the expanded NL pool, plus the strategy that would go into it, but if we do not get enough teams or if we plain have a majority vote it's something I'd certainly be ok with!Can't speak for the people in this potential pool, but if they were looking at anything like the FCHL, it'd be $30/year, which is obviously next to nothing, but keeps things interesting enough.That sounds like music to my ears, perfect "target zone" if you will for me, somewhere around there, $20-50 would be where I'd be in. What is the penalty for not fielding a pitcher if none of your pitchers are in the rotation that day? I think it was discussed last year that you would have 3 gamedays a week on the busy days but what if your pitchers are on a rotation where they never play on one of those days? I think if you use pitchers you need to play many more games to allow all the teams a fair shot at playing pitchers. As opposed to doing teams. Can you do teams but add more stats?1 pt for a W Wins should be a little more weighted? 2 points?-.5 for runs against.5 for a save-.25 for a walk.25 for a SOStill add more stats but still use the team.With batters to expand stats1pts for HR.25 for double.50 for triple.50 for RBI.25 for Run-.25 for SO.25 for walk.25 for SBI don't know. There is a lot of stats you can play around with.Seems like a complicated problem, yet something that if we used pitchers would clearly have to deal with.Regarding stats in general, I think to find a marriage between simplicity of stats and a decent number of stats (ie. chance to get points/lose points) would be best. Not the easiest to come up with, but I think we should start doing a vote a.s.a.p. perhaps? It would allow us to settle some things before the season and give guys a good chunk of time to do some researching/mulling it over. I think the more amount of things we get locked down fast, the better. It's going to prevent the beginning of the season, or last week or so to be much less hectic. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 For the record, if we were voting, I would vote for AL only, since my baseball knowledge is limited. However, I'm happy with whatever everyone decides. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Just playing around with ideas of stats that would be easier to tabulate ( i don't want to do average or ERA or WHIP). I like the idea of negative stats for both batters and pitchers. You can dress Granderson and hope he gets a HR and SB but you know he is a strike out magnet so you have to work around that at times.I am not saying each stat has to be used but you fantasy guru's can look and see if there can be a balance created.Positive stats for BattingHitsHR'sRBIWalksStolen BasesRunsNegative stats for battingStrike outsPositive stats for individual pitchers or team pitchersWinStrike outsSavesHoldsInnings pitched if individual pitchersNegative stats for pitchersLossWalksEarned RunsHR's against Link to post Share on other sites
Speed Limit 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 The thing I've been mulling over is, let's say we do not use hits as a barometer for points for a batter.What if a guy has a clean 2-4. Meaning, no runs, no walks, just two singles, no runs scored, no RBI's. By no means is that going to be a bad game. This is going to happen far more to those guys who are the "table setters". That would be my argument to include hits. If you've got a guy slotted, and this happens to him it'll be a bit of a jipped feeling. Link to post Share on other sites
Speed Limit 0 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 I'm extremely worried about getting too gritty with stats to the nearest one hundredth of a point, but I'm just going to throw this out there. Perhaps it will get some discussion going and we can mold it from there.Template:PitchersWin - 2 pointLoss - (-.5 point)Save - 1 pointStrikeout - .25 pointWalk - (-.25 point)Run Allowed ( -.25 point) (Go with ER or just R?)BattersHit - .25 pointDouble - .5 pointTriple - .5 pointHome Run - 1 pointStrikeout - (-.25 point)Stolen Base - .25 pointCaught Stealing - (.25 point)Walk - .25 pointRBI - .5 pointRun - .5 point (I think batters need to be trimmed in some stat areas, but I tried to balance it as much as so a team doesn't just decide to go without any pitching at all, and not completely screw over the slap hitters in this format.)Discuss. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 23, 2010 Author Share Posted February 23, 2010 next day is perfect...This year in the AHL sometimes we waited 5 daysWhen did you "have" to wait give days? You obviously have Internet access. Link to post Share on other sites
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