Under The Gun, But I've Got The Bullets (sh) (.25/.50)

[CobaltBlue 662]

I promised y'all a hand the other day. Sorry it took so long. This hand is definitely non-standard, which is why I find it interesting.Full Tilt .25/.50 NLHE Rush (6-max)SB $50BB $34.35Cobalt $57.70MP $182.25CO $50Button $52.75Cobalt is UTG w/ : :. Being early in a Rush session when the game had just come out, I don't really have any reads.Pre-flop:Cobalt raises to $1.50, MP calls, 3 folds, BB callsFlop ($4.75): (3 players)BB checks, Cobalt checks, MP checksTurn ($4.75): (3 players)BB bets $4, Cobalt calls, 1 foldRiver ($12.75): (2 players)BB checks, Cobalt bets $8, BB raises to $20, Cobalt callsFinal Pot: $52.75

[Ninja Ace 1]

EZ fold to the river CR imoedt: crap, didn't look at the size... yeah u gotta call the gaybet.I think you played this correct for how Rush works... except I open to $2... i mean get value it's not like they have any idea how you're betting

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

There are so many ways we lose this hand......there are also so many ways we win this hand.I think that if the Villain had a 10 we would have seen a push before now. So let's throw that away.No set nor mid pocket pairs either.The only hands I can really put the Villain on are something with a Q. At first I considered QQ, but that doesn't feel right. I think we'd see more from the Villain preflop.This leaves a strong Q of some sort. Perhaps QJ or KJ ...I make the Hero call.

[Biff Goods 0]

Yah, as played I'd have to call river. Villain's range is huge and you are getting quite a price on the river. And I'm also not feeling too bad if we are beat...

[droberts 3]

how can u not say sets are easy for him to have...55 and 99 are so easy for him to have.also i would probly take a similar line with KJhh...

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

how can u not say sets are easy for him to have...55 and 99 are so easy for him to have.also i would probly take a similar line with KJhh...

So you're advocating the Fold?Like I said, there are a ton of ways to lose this hand if we're inclined to look for the hands that beat us. I just don't think we're beat here.BB Flat calledCheckedBet PotCheck RaisedI just don't buy a set (boat) here. Maybe 55 because we gave him a free card and that is when he sort of woke up. KJ is certainly a possibility if he is clever enough to Check/Raise on the River when he hits a gutshot on a paried board.I still think we're good.

[jmbreslin 0]

I don't know, QJhh is just about the only hand he could possibly play this way that we beat. When Hero doesn't CB on that flop, villain probably puts him on missed overcards - making it pretty risky for him to be check-raising the river Q with something like 77/88 when Hero bets out. Even check-raising with QJ is risky there. From villain's perspective, what hand would Hero play this way that would call the river check-raise and loses to QJ?This line really looks like KJhh.

[Nashtak 0]

I don't understand his check on the flop, bet on the turn then check/raise on the river. If he was slowplaying a 10 or a boat, it wouldn't explain his check/raise on the the river (unless he figured his turn bet followed by a check on the river would look ultra weak, which he could also do with AQ/KQ) instead of value betting.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I'm possibly giving villain credit for seeing our hand as "one pair" (technically 2 cause of the board) at best...and probably AK/AJ-high fairly often. I definitely do not think our hand appears to be what it actually is.On the one hand, villain's river c/r is quite gross...cause who in the world c/r bluffs the river? On the other hand, who even takes a line like this to c/r the river? I'd expect trips or a straight to just go ahead and bet the river (since they'd probably want a max of "two bets" to go in and not be faced with a shove). Therefore, this appears to be a boat (specifically QT), a bluff, or someone going for really thin value with like AQ/KQ.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I promised y'all a hand the other day. Sorry it took so long. This hand is definitely non-standard, which is why I find it interesting.Full Tilt .25/.50 NLHE Rush (6-max)SB $50BB $34.35Cobalt $57.70MP $182.25CO $50Button $52.75Cobalt is UTG w/ : :. Being early in a Rush session when the game had just come out, I don't really have any reads.Pre-flop:Cobalt raises to $1.50, MP calls, 3 folds, BB callsFlop ($4.75): (3 players)BB checks, Cobalt checks, MP checksTurn ($4.75): (3 players)BB bets $4, Cobalt calls, 1 foldRiver ($12.75): (2 players)BB checks, Cobalt bets $8, BB raises to $20, Cobalt callsFinal Pot: $52.75

Check behind on river if we believe our hand is one pair transparent? I don't know. I think this hand was butchered a little. I hear you on how and why you got there like you did, but our value with AA is front-loaded (more PF and on flop than on the turn or river.)I think as played to river, we have to check behind / check fold.The river check raise is pretty strong IMHO.

[rrumsey 0]

Check behind on river if we believe our hand is one pair transparent? I don't know. I think this hand was butchered a little. I hear you on how and why you got there like you did, but our value with AA is front-loaded (more PF and on flop than on the turn or river.)I think as played to river, we have to check behind / check fold.The river check raise is pretty strong IMHO.

we only beat a suicide bluff more or less, but i think we have to call imo. given the sizing. im a sucker for odds thou and i see this being a monster a lot to be honest

[DemonDonk 0]

so many places you misplayed the hand only preflop is ok.Bet the flop! As played river is easy fold, anytime you see stupid and strange lines, unless you're 100% sure they are FOS, fold all the time. this is never some guy thinking things through and going for a crazy bluff (no-one c/r river as a bluff at 50nl seriously), he just wants value I'm sure he has a ten or a boat here tbh.

[30odd6 0]

so many places you misplayed the hand only preflop is ok.Bet the flop! As played river is easy fold, anytime you see stupid and strange lines, unless you're 100% sure they are FOS, fold all the time. this is never some guy thinking things through and going for a crazy bluff (no-one c/r river as a bluff at 50nl seriously), he just wants value I'm sure he has a ten or a boat here tbh.

i agree 100% a boat. why did cobalt check the flop? scared of reraise? or was it just AhQh. bet the flop, i'd like to find out where im at and if reraised by bb, i still call and see what he does on the turn , it cost less and i can still get away from the hand..i still have outs and maybe the best hand vs big suited conn . bb checks turn then i know where im at with AA and come out strong. as for the check raise on river...the only way i get value is to act weak and let cobalt bet the river with over pair or AhQh like was done.

[Provotrout 0]

Check behind on river if we believe our hand is one pair transparent? I don't know. I think this hand was butchered a little. I hear you on how and why you got there like you did, but our value with AA is front-loaded (more PF and on flop than on the turn or river.)

My thoughts exactly.. bet pot on the flop and you'll take down a smallish pot with a dangerous board. If he has trips, you'll figure it out quickly. Pre-flop raise + pot on flop is pretty strong to bluff into..

[hartman72 0]

My thoughts exactly.. bet pot on the flop and you'll take down a smallish pot with a dangerous board. If he has trips, you'll figure it out quickly. Pre-flop raise + pot on flop is pretty strong to bluff into..

I don't understand why checking this flop is bad. With the exception of QJ, we are either W/A or W/B aren't we?

[SwolyswoND 1]

Or J8 or 87, so I wouldn't call it WA/WB. I don't think I ever check this flop at the table, but now seeing it in a strat hand I think I agree with Cobalt's play. HU would be an entirely different matter.

[DemonDonk 0]

Checking is ok in position, but we are not in position.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I'm possibly giving villain credit for seeing our hand as "one pair" (technically 2 cause of the board) at best...and probably AK/AJ-high fairly often. I definitely do not think our hand appears to be what it actually is.On the one hand, villain's river c/r is quite gross...cause who in the world c/r bluffs the river? On the other hand, who even takes a line like this to c/r the river? I'd expect trips or a straight to just go ahead and bet the river (since they'd probably want a max of "two bets" to go in and not be faced with a shove). Therefore, this appears to be a boat (specifically QT), a bluff, or someone going for really thin value with like AQ/KQ.

...and it wound up being...

[Ninja Ace 1]

I don't understand why checking this flop is bad. With the exception of QJ, we are either W/A or W/B aren't we?

In rush poker I don't think it's bad bc the tendency of players is to only continue with something close to the nuts when faced with aggression. I mean we're playing in about as much of a vacuum as possible so I think hitting the breaks on the flop and allowing worse hands to take the initiative is fine... as long as we're not planning to do anything silly like check-raise.Also you guys who want to fold really bad... please look at the pot and the size of the bet left to call... we're getting almost 3:1. You don't have to show the winner even 40% of the time here to profit.

[CobaltBlue 662]

...and it wound up being...

Ha. Sorry...was occupied most of the past week.Yeah...the river's a smidge of a crying call, but his line was just so wonky. When lines get wonky, I tend to look them up.In this case, he had J7o for the busted draw.As for the debate on the flop...like I said, I think betting's quite fine. However, I think we're going to be in a really crappy spot if we get raised. I preferred going for two post-flop streets of value in this case.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Ha. Sorry...was occupied most of the past week.Yeah...the river's a smidge of a crying call, but his line was just so wonky. When lines get wonky, I tend to look them up.In this case, he had J7o for the busted draw.As for the debate on the flop...like I said, I think betting's quite fine. However, I think we're going to be in a really crappy spot if we get raised. I preferred going for two post-flop streets of value in this case.

I think you went pretty deep into the mind of this opponent unless you had info on him that he value owns himself and bluffs weakness at the river. FWIW, I can think of players that this line is EXTREMELY profitable against.

[nutzzcase 0]

Ha. Sorry...was occupied most of the past week.Yeah...the river's a smidge of a crying call, but his line was just so wonky. When lines get wonky, I tend to look them up.In this case, he had J7o for the busted draw.As for the debate on the flop...like I said, I think betting's quite fine. However, I think we're going to be in a really crappy spot if we get raised. I preferred going for two post-flop streets of value in this case.

hey did you have a set when u check raised me all in on the river yesterday?

[Acid_Knight 2]

I like the hand until the river. Yeah, he's going to have some draws, but I don't think that most players are capable of ever c/r bluffing rivers and when they do, they make it a size that encourages you to fold more than this size does. I also don't think he'd ever c/r for value with worse than your hand, like AQ or something.I am sure I still pay him off because it's such a good price, but I think it's a mistake just due to the infrequency of river bluffs that people make.

[CobaltBlue 662]

hey did you have a set when u check raised me all in on the river yesterday?

*sigh* Yeah. Turned top set.Also relatively sure that I wouldn't have been interested in playing if I'd known you were an FCPer.