2-5 Live, Good Fold Equity In This Spot?

[shynepo3 0]

Live 2-5 game, I'm somewhat short stacked with about 270..straddler frequently raises his straddle when limpers limp, with marginal holdings such as q/10 off, low suited connectors**he's raised his straddle now, for past 5 orbits and i've seen 3 of his hands, q/10 off, 6-9 suited, and A8 off***..also, his 1500 stack has shrunk to 0, and he recently rebought for 500, which is now down to 175. I'm on the button with 55, and limped in, planning to move in the straddler's raise - provided none of the other 2 limpers re-raise...good spot for this?other two stacks have me covered, over $500 each - i strongly believe none will limp pre-flop, call straddler's raise without re-raising, and then call my shove..they would have re-raised the straddler...game is full ring, with 1 player sitting outUTG + 2 calls $10MP1 calls $10 MP2 foldsCutoff foldsHero calls $10 - 5 5 SB foldsBB foldsUTG (straddler) raises to $25UTG+2 calls $25MP1 calls $25Hero goes all in for $270

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I don't hate it, but we're basically risking our stack to grab $75 of other people's money and hope no one decides to race with us. The good news if someone does want to race is that the Villains probably share a couple of big cards, eliminating some of each other's outs.

[shynepo3 0]

I don't hate it, but we're basically risking our stack to grab $70 of other people's money and hope no one decides to race with us. The good news if someone does want to race is that the Villains probably share a couple of big cards, eliminating some of each other's outs.

do we always assume that they all know it's a race? they can give me credit for jj/qq sometimes right? i could easily do this with high overpair, knowing that villain is going to raise 80% of the time in straddler's position...so do u think it's worth the risk?

[Ninja Ace 1]

If you can get a heads up race I'd call that a win... the problem is I really don't think you're folding out a higher pocket pair simply because your line looks too strange. If you were the first limper you might get credit here more often. I dunno... I like this line better if you have 9's or higher.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

do we always assume that they all know it's a race? they can give me credit for jj/qq sometimes right? i could easily do this with high overpair, knowing that villain is going to raise 80% of the time in straddler's position...so do u think it's worth the risk?

They don't know it is a race, we do. Anyone who winds up calling us is either racing with or outright dominating us - that is what makes it questionable IMO. Since they called the Straddle's action, the two Villains have something other than crap. We have to look at this from their POV: The question is do they put us on something like JJ or better? And do they have any monsters or near monsters? Are they in the mood for a gamble with middle pairs or very strong aces? I think they suspect something like AK or AQ and small pairs from us a large % of the time here. Most of the times I have seen this sort of play the guy shoving has 9s or 10s. The big pairs are calling us - it is those pesky middle pairs who scare us. As 4:1 favorites they don't have to be right all the time to make this a profitable call. Worst case is if the first Villain (Straddler) calls us - that might actually induce action from later Villains looking to get a big pot.Again, I don't hate it, but risking $270 to win $75 (3.6:1) is a little steep for my tastes unless we are VERY confident of inducing Folds all around.

[Stupidhead 2]

I don't absolutely hate shoving, but this is about as good as a spot you'll get to set mine. I'd much rather just see a flop and try to stack someone.

[shynepo3 0]

They don't know it is a race, we do. Anyone who winds up calling us is either racing with or outright dominating us - that is what makes it questionable IMO. Since they called the Straddle's action, the two Villains have something other than crap. We have to look at this from their POV: The question is do they put us on something like JJ or better? And do they have any monsters or near monsters? Are they in the mood for a gamble with middle pairs or very strong aces? I think they suspect something like AK or AQ and small pairs from us a large % of the time here. Most of the times I have seen this sort of play the guy shoving has 9s or 10s. The big pairs are calling us - it is those pesky middle pairs who scare us. As 4:1 favorites they don't have to be right all the time to make this a profitable call. Worst case is if the first Villain (Straddler) calls us - that might actually induce action from later Villains looking to get a big pot.Again, I don't hate it, but risking $270 to win $75 (3.6:1) is a little steep for my tastes unless we are VERY confident of inducing Folds all around.

I agree....but imo, im less worried if straddler calls me, in this particular case, the others will less likely fold with their middle pairs...they'd rather go up against 1 person instead of 2 or more. Again, I'm taking about the way this table was playing. Straddler had A/K off and called. 55 held up. I guess these types of situations are all table/read dependent. The 55 helped me though later in the session when 77 called me all in pre when I had QQ in SB. haha.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Live 2-5 game, I'm somewhat short stacked with about 270..straddler frequently raises his straddle when limpers limp, with marginal holdings such as q/10 off, low suited connectors**he's raised his straddle now, for past 5 orbits and i've seen 3 of his hands, q/10 off, 6-9 suited, and A8 off***..also, his 1500 stack has shrunk to 0, and he recently rebought for 500, which is now down to 175. I'm on the button with 55, and limped in, planning to move in the straddler's raise - provided none of the other 2 limpers re-raise...good spot for this?other two stacks have me covered, over $500 each - i strongly believe none will limp pre-flop, call straddler's raise without re-raising, and then call my shove..they would have re-raised the straddler...game is full ring, with 1 player sitting outUTG + 2 calls $10MP1 calls $10 MP2 foldsCutoff foldsHero calls $10 - 5 5 SB foldsBB foldsUTG (straddler) raises to $25UTG+2 calls $25MP1 calls $25Hero goes all in for $270

Meh, I think this really needs to be a special situation. First, everyone needs to know that the straddler is raising every time regardless. Second, you have to have a history of limp-raising with big hands. Third, your all ins have to have credibility. Just because of how this played out, I'm considering calling you as wide as AJ-88. There's no way you are limping a big PP or AK/AQ on the button unless WE ALL KNOW the straddler is raising. To me, your hand looks a lot like what it is: a mediocre pair and a steal.

[mtdesmoines 3]

only twice? I disappoint myself.

[Mills 0]

Live 2-5 game, I'm somewhat short stacked with about 270..straddler frequently raises his straddle when limpers limp, with marginal holdings such as q/10 off, low suited connectors**he's raised his straddle now, for past 5 orbits and i've seen 3 of his hands, q/10 off, 6-9 suited, and A8 off***..also, his 1500 stack has shrunk to 0, and he recently rebought for 500, which is now down to 175. I'm on the button with 55, and limped in, planning to move in the straddler's raise - provided none of the other 2 limpers re-raise...good spot for this?other two stacks have me covered, over $500 each - i strongly believe none will limp pre-flop, call straddler's raise without re-raising, and then call my shove..they would have re-raised the straddler...game is full ring, with 1 player sitting outUTG + 2 calls $10MP1 calls $10 MP2 foldsCutoff foldsHero calls $10 - 5 5 SB foldsBB foldsUTG (straddler) raises to $25UTG+2 calls $25MP1 calls $25Hero goes all in for $270

I dont like this, pretty much for the reasons everyone else mentioned... You have to think about what kind of story you are trying to tell.... What big hand would you ever play like this?

[fakepoo 0]

I dont like this, pretty much for the reasons everyone else mentioned... You have to think about what kind of story you are trying to tell.... What big hand would you ever play like this?

If you know he is popping his straddle, don't you play every big pair like this? Considering that you are on a half stack, I think this is marginally fine. I believe that you fold out most of the pocket pairs that are better than yours unless the straddler wakes up with one as I don't believe any of the other limpers would limp/call the straddler's raise with a big PP.

[Mills 0]

If you know he is popping his straddle, don't you play every big pair like this?

only if im 100 pct certain, or as close to that as i can be... 'frequently' dosent seem to suggest that...

[fakepoo 0]

only if im 100 pct certain, or as close to that as i can be... 'frequently' dosent seem to suggest that...

...He's raised his straddle for the past 5 orbits...IMO, it's worth the risk of him checking behind and taking a multiway pot with AA here because you will likely play a big pot the times that he pops it. FWIW, I played a live 1/2 game where there was a certain straddler that would either raise really big or shove from his straddle with 50 - 100 BB. I was limping as weak as AJ and 55 in order to call his shoves or reraise him. Seemed like the ideal strategy against this type of player.

[shynepo3 0]

...He's raised his straddle for the past 5 orbits...IMO, it's worth the risk of him checking behind and taking a multiway pot with AA here because you will likely play a big pot the times that he pops it. FWIW, I played a live 1/2 game where there was a certain straddler that would either raise really big or shove from his straddle with 50 - 100 BB. I was limping as weak as AJ and 55 in order to call his shoves or reraise him. Seemed like the ideal strategy against this type of player.

This is why i felt it was a good spot to shove. Had i been next to act after his raise, then I probably wouldn't be in the hand...but because of my relative position, I felt it was a perfect time. But i definitely agree with everyone that my range is more specific once i shove after the straddler raise and calls...however, i'm almost positive that if i had AA/KK/QQ, etc, I would have done the exact same thing...

[shynepo3 0]

only twice? I disappoint myself.

what are you referring to?

[mtdesmoines 3]

what are you referring to?

Double post. I have had intermittent internet slowdowns here (I live in the country and the cable company won't invest in hardware to get full capacity to this area). So sometimes I get impatient and double / triple post.