trystero 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Seems like he's a floataholic... I'd c-bet... then barrel a whiff on the turn, and c-r a hit... it's an exploitable adjustment but he's probably thinking something along the lines of... ZOMG I CAN FLOATS JOOOwe'll have like no money left though to try and bluff him off any hand better than AK.c/f is clearly the easy play at the micros, where emphasis is on showdown winnings. but I'm wondering if it's better to c/r ai on that board because we can expect an aggroish player to bet when he's checked to, and he's got lots of crap in his range like random broadways. and if he does have a pair and he calls, which I expect him to do always when he's got anything, we've still got some equity w/our overs.w/either the Ac/Kc I probably pull the trigger. maybe that's bad. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I just have no idea why you'd even consider such a stupid bet unless you misclickedHe was an aggroholic and I was trying to induce a shove Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 He was an aggroholic and I was trying to induce a shoveno u Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I just have no idea why you'd even consider such a stupid bet unless you misclickedAccording to my scientific study, you come of like a dick in 71% of your posts. Do you think this is optimal? Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 He was an aggroholic and I was trying to induce a shovebut he's already 4bet, he's basically priced in to call a shove with just about anything anyway. Also we have AK. Aces or Kings it's a better 5bet but we really really really really don't wanna get flatted here when we have AK. He's gonna be far more likely to fold his retarded 77 on an ace high board while on boards we miss we still get it in and only have 6 outs.According to my scientific study, you come of like a dick in 71% of your posts. Do you think this is optimal?*offandI dunno, this thread just brings out the worst in me Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 *off71.07% Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I dunno, this thread just brings out the worst in meI know. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 villain is an aggrotard reg although we personally haven't tangled yet.we hafta c/f right? I was considering a c/r ai...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($10)CO ($11.99)Button ($11.48)SB ($14.57)Hero (BB) ($11.27)UTG ($28.49)Preflop: Hero is BB with K , A 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Button bets $0.45, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.60, 1 fold, Button calls $1.15, 1 foldFlop: ($3.75) 4 , 5 , 7 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero foldsTotal pot: $3.75 | Rake: $0.25Could always root beer it. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I'd like a c/jam there a lot more if we had like the Ac or Kc for some back door equities, or even better AKcc!I don't really like the root beer there Cobalt OOP because that board just smacks him in his face and he can happily float a ton of backdoor draws etc Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 gaybets ittFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO: $42.23 (Hero)Button: $24.65 SB: $25.00 BB: $31.25 UTG: $20.30 UTG+1: $25.42 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, Button folds, BB calls $0.65, UTG calls $0.50Flop: ($2.25) (4 players)BB checks, UTG bets $2.25, Hero raises to $9, BB folds, UTG calls $6.75Turn: ($20.25) (3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $0.69, UTG calls $0.69River: ($21.63) (3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $21.63, UTG calls $9.86, and is all inHero showed , and won ($39.29) with a flush, Ace highUTG mucked Hero won $39.29(Rake: $2.06) Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Protip: Give your villain room to bluffConverted by a herd of feral cowsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB: $12.07 BB: $54.48 UTG: $15.10 UTG+1: $9.75 CO: $30.25 (Hero)Button: $28.35 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)UTG raises to $1.50, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 3 foldsFlop: ($3.35) (2 players)UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50Turn: ($6.35) (2 players)UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $3River: ($18.35) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $6.09, UTG raises to $6.10, and is all in, Hero calls $0.01UTG showed , and lost with two pair, Queens and SixesHero showed , and won ($29.03) with a full house, Queens full of SixesHero won $29.03(Rake: $1.52) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I know I shouldn't bitch, but if I could just flop 1 A or K in a 3bet/aipf pot that'd be great:Converted by the cows of Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersUTG+1: $8.45 CO: $14.78 (Hero)Button: $10.11 SB: $10.50 BB: $3.12 UTG: $8.47 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, Button folds, SB raises to $1.15, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.60, SB raises to $5.60, Hero raises to $14.78, and is all in, SB calls $4.90, and is all inFlop: ($21.50) (2 players)Turn: ($21.50) (2 players)River: ($21.50) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with a pair of KingsSB showed , and won ($19.70) with two pair, Tens and NinesSB won $19.70(Rake: $1.40) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersBB: $11.37 UTG: $16.78 UTG+1: $10.34 CO: $10.39 Button: $14.25 (Hero)SB: $3.81 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to $3.60, Hero raises to $14.25, and is all in, UTG+1 calls $6.74, and is all inFlop: ($20.83) (2 players)Turn: ($20.83) (2 players)River: ($20.83) (2 players)UTG+1 showed , and won ($19.45) with two pair, Queens and ThreesHero showed , and lost with a pair of ThreesUTG+1 won $19.45(Rake: $1.38) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Converting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersSB: $3.40 BB: $10.15 UTG: $3.94 UTG+1: $16.51 CO: $12.54 (Hero)Button: $10.00 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2.40, BB raises to $10.15, and is all in, Hero calls $7.75Flop: ($20.45) (2 players)Turn: ($20.45) (2 players)River: ($20.45) (2 players)BB showed , and won ($19) with a pair of QueensHero showed , and lost with Ace King highBB won $19(Rake: $1.35) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersButton: $5.42 SB: $8.88 BB: $10.00 (Hero)UTG: $10.05 UTG+1: $14.67 CO: $11.30 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.60, UTG raises to $10.05, and is all in, CO folds, Hero calls $8.40, and is all inFlop: ($20.55) (2 players)Turn: ($20.55) (2 players)River: ($20.55) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with Ace King highUTG showed , and won ($19.18) with a pair of QueensUTG won $19.18(Rake: $1.37) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersSB: $3.20 BB: $13.35 UTG: $6.90 UTG+1: $10.08 CO: $14.40 Button: $10.00 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is Button with (6 players)3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3.40, SB calls $2.20, and is all inFlop: ($6.50) (2 players)Turn: ($6.50) (2 players)River: ($6.50) (2 players)SB showed , and won ($6.07) with a pair of KingsHero showed , and lost with Ace King highSB won $6.07(Rake: $0.43) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I won one AIPF with AK: that was like the first day of the month tho, so it doesn't count...beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersButton jwilkey8: $4.58 SB kingchaching: $11.21 BB Hero: $10.00 UTG any2can: $3.73 UTG+1 jebren72: $15.28 CO Meulebroeck: $7.56 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with (6 players)4 folds, kingchaching raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, kingchaching raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, and is all in, kingchaching calls $7Flop: ($20.15) (2 players)Turn: ($20.15) (2 players)River: ($20.15) (2 players)kingchaching showed , and lost with a pair of EightsHero showed , and won ($18.67) with a pair of EightsHero won $18.67(Rake: $1.33) Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Protip: Give your villain room to bluffConverted by a herd of feral cowsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB: $12.07 BB: $54.48 UTG: $15.10 UTG+1: $9.75 CO: $30.25 (Hero)Button: $28.35 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)UTG raises to $1.50, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.50, 3 foldsFlop: ($3.35) (2 players)UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50Turn: ($6.35) (2 players)UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $3River: ($18.35) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $6.09, UTG raises to $6.10, and is all in, Hero calls $0.01UTG showed , and lost with two pair, Queens and SixesHero showed , and won ($29.03) with a full house, Queens full of SixesHero won $29.03(Rake: $1.52)now this is hof Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Well then I definitely wouldn't be reading anything he writesAlso the argument for folding AK there, I would probably fold AK against like nobody. If you give him credit for being a good player you have to also give him credit for being able to 3b light in that spot for purely that reason. Similarly if you think somebody's a bad player they can 3bet all sorts of retarded hands like AQ or w/e. Like even against a range of AA/KK/QQ/AK, AK has 40% equity which makes it close. Meh it's prob fine but like, I just love how preflop has turned into the nit war in a lot of spots and ranges just get progressively tighter. Like OMG he only 3bets AA-QQ/AK I better only 4bet AA/KK, etc. Not saying that was your thought process there, but I think it is a big big leak of non-optimal thinking by a lot of ssnl players.If you are talking about my hand, i 3-bet'ed. I don't give him credits for being good, i give him credits for not being massive donk (those who stack off with suited connectors preflop for example). And i'm not really thinking of folding, just check/calling it down (though it stil crossed my mind). In short, my argument is that Check/calling > leading out in this spot. I can keep the pot small OOP in what i consider a marginal spot + i can get him to bet weak. PS: Wait.. AK = 40% vs AA/KK/QQ/AK on that flop? No way, you ain't talking about my hand.. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 wasn't talking about your hand :)But in your hand, I definitely don't have checking flop. But on the turn, you are still way ahead, like he can have so many random aces that call a 3bet, he can call one off with TT or like KQ or KJ (pairs + gutshots) etc. Definitely too much value to not bet. If the river blanks and you think he is kinda bluffy I guess you could check/call to get value from the missed draws he bluffs, but in this spot where he have a TPTK type hand in a 3bet pot it's generally just better to bet when you are basically never behind and let them decide what kind of garbage they want to call with. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 how long is that stretch James? I remember the KINGKACHING hand. also, you should bitch. what's the point of BBV otherwise?LOL at the JTo hand Link to post Share on other sites
QED 4 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I put a short stacker on monkey tilt last night. He beat me with AK vs my KK AIPF and then I crushed his soul with the standard set over set 99 vs 88 all in on the flop followed by JJ > QJ AIPF the next hand. After that he just started shoving any two. Chalk one up for the good guys? Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I put a short stacker on monkey tilt last night. He beat me with AK vs my KK AIPF and then I crushed his soul with the standard set over set 99 vs 88 all in on the flop followed by JJ > QJ AIPF the next hand. After that he just started shoving any two. Chalk one up for the good guys?I love your name. Partly because I enjoy maths, mostly because QED bitches is such a fun saying. Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I put a short stacker on monkey tilt last night. He beat me with AK vs my KK AIPF and then I crushed his soul with the standard set over set 99 vs 88 all in on the flop followed by JJ > QJ AIPF the next hand. After that he just started shoving any two. Chalk one up for the good guys?For the record, the person he is talking about is NOT me! lolKosin Trouble Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 how long is that stretch James? I remember the KINGKACHING hand. also, you should bitch. what's the point of BBV otherwise?LOL at the JTo handMeh, bitching is counter productive.I do love the AQ vs JT hand.It proves that the more "buttons" you give the villains to click, the more they can make mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites
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