trystero 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 during my downswong, basically the only BI I won came from him 3 barreling all in when I had flopped a set. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Jackgck is 26/18/2 with a 10% 3b (3/29) over 61 hands. NukkaWitCards is 18/13/3.4 with a 4% 3b over 280 hands. 57% fold to cbet.No specific reads on either.My question is what should my thought process be on the turn. I am likely up against one Ax hand. I have pretty decent equity. Should I barrel and set my own price. c/c to pot-control etc?How thin should I bet the turn? Would I barrel ATo here?v1.24Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG Nizcolai: $26.96 UTG+1 Blackbart360: $30.04 CO Hero: $27.36 Button jackgck: $34.33 SB Will be in it: $10.81 BB Nukka Wit Cards: $34.21 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with : : (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, jackgck calls $0.75, Will be in it folds, Nukka Wit Cards calls $0.50Flop: ($2.35) : : : (3 players)Nukka Wit Cards checks, Hero bets $1.60, jackgck calls $1.60, Nukka Wit Cards calls $1.60Turn: ($7.15) : (3 players)Nukka Wit Cards checks, Hero checks, jackgck bets $4.50, Nukka Wit Cards calls $4.50, Hero calls $4.50River: ($20.65) : (3 players)Nukka Wit Cards checks, Hero checks, jackgck checks I think the Q strengthens your perceived range, so HU I'm barreling here with almost my entire range. 3 way, I still think a bet is fine, but so is the line you decided to take. The good thing about betting is that you probably have more FE against the weaker Ax hands than you think, considering you raised pre, and you're betting into 2 other players that don't seem to be horrible.I'm just going to assume that someone either had KhJh or 10hJh Link to post Share on other sites
QED 4 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 On the PT3 vs HEM debate PT3 has a much longer free trial, like 2 months iirc, so you can get a couple of months worth of building up your roll for free with a hud before buying one or the other. I used 10BI a level up to 25NL then 20BI for 50NL and I am aiming for 30 BI for 100NL (lollerstakes never gonna happen) but I play FR so maybe there is more swongs if you play 6max. Getting rake back on an existing account on fulltilt either seems really easy or never gonna happen so email them and see what happens. I agree if you can't get it on ftp signing up with someone like deuces cracked rake back where you get more than just rake back sounds like a good idea for a new account. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I think the Q strengthens your perceived range, so HU I'm barreling here with almost my entire range. 3 way, I still think a bet is fine, but so is the line you decided to take. The good thing about betting is that you probably have more FE against the weaker Ax hands than you think, considering you raised pre, and you're betting into 2 other players that don't seem to be horrible.I'm just going to assume that someone either had KhJh or 10hJhproblem is that when villains are tight, they aren't playing many weak Ax hands, and the Q actually does improve their AQ holdings. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Nukka showed up with a dominated flush draw, 67hh... so obv I run good and cooler him, o waitjack had AJ and timebank checked the river... afraid of a slooooow played set or KThh I guess... Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I think I like jack's check multi-way, tough to get called by worse. like QhJh...and? Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 I think I like jack's check multi-way, tough to get called by worse. like QhJh...and?yeah, stack to pot is pretty weird toostill think I'd bet for redline tho Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 This is basically how my session started yesterday...Milked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersUTG+1: $51.35 MP: $51.60 MP2: $20.00 HJ: $52.50 CO: $55.15 Button: $53.70 (Hero)SB: $50.85 BB: $108.10 UTG: $25.30 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with (9 players)6 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero raises to $13, SB raises to $28, Hero raises to $53.70, and is all in, SB calls $22.85, and is all inFlop: ($103.95) (2 players)Turn: ($103.95) (2 players)River: ($103.95) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with Ace King highSB showed , and won ($99.20) with a pair of AcesSB won $99.20(Rake: $3)Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersUTG: $138.10 UTG+1: $67.95 MP: $53.85 MP2: $70.75 (Hero)HJ: $50.00 CO: $40.15 Button: $60.25 SB: $21.75 BB: $40.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is MP2 with (9 players)UTG folds, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, HJ raises to $6, 4 folds, Hero raises to $15, HJ raises to $50, and is all in, Hero calls $35Flop: ($100.75) (2 players)Turn: ($100.75) (2 players)River: ($100.75) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with a pair of AcesHJ showed , and won ($97.75) with a flush, Ace highHJ won $97.75(Rake: $3)Typically doesn't bode well, but, thanks to some generosity in HU matches, pulled a decent winner. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 I am so willing to bet/fold straights and flushes vs obvious flushes and full houses, yet here I take a weird effin line and still pay off... I said I'd check turn bc often when I cbet Ahigh boards oop, I c/f air on the turn so I'd try to see if I could catch a float or somethingThen he bets small and I decide to lead river to get value from worse Ax hands that will check back river ui, AT A9 etc... then I can't help myself and click callA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO Mirco11: $26.41 Button badpro: $37.80 SB Hero: $26.74 BB garik2007MD: $25.00 UTG Sanche11a: $26.01 UTG+1 gt_ie: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with (6 players)2 folds, Mirco11 calls $0.25, badpro calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.35, garik2007MD folds, Mirco11 calls $1.10, badpro foldsFlop: ($3.20) (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, Mirco11 calls $2.25Turn: ($7.70) (2 players)Hero checks, Mirco11 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75River: ($11.20) (2 players)Hero bets $6.50, Mirco11 raises to $13, Hero calls $6.50Mirco11 showed , and won ($35.34) with a full house, Twos full of FoursHero mucked Mirco11 won $35.34(Rake: $1.86) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 ^^^ spew ittexam time, vamooooooooo Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I am so willing to bet/fold straights and flushes vs obvious flushes and full houses, yet here I take a weird effin line and still pay off... I said I'd check turn bc often when I cbet Ahigh boards oop, I c/f air on the turn so I'd try to see if I could catch a float or somethingThen he bets small and I decide to lead river to get value from worse Ax hands that will check back river ui, AT A9 etc... then I can't help myself and click callA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO Mirco11: $26.41 Button badpro: $37.80 SB Hero: $26.74 BB garik2007MD: $25.00 UTG Sanche11a: $26.01 UTG+1 gt_ie: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with (6 players)2 folds, Mirco11 calls $0.25, badpro calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.35, garik2007MD folds, Mirco11 calls $1.10, badpro foldsFlop: ($3.20) (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, Mirco11 calls $2.25Turn: ($7.70) (2 players)Hero checks, Mirco11 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75River: ($11.20) (2 players)Hero bets $6.50, Mirco11 raises to $13, Hero calls $6.50Mirco11 showed , and won ($35.34) with a full house, Twos full of FoursHero mucked Mirco11 won $35.34(Rake: $1.86)Yeah, I'm a sucker for river min-raises. It's just sooo tempting to call!! Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 mkay so I signed up for rakebackpros and I'm not sure if I've been "accepted" I guess. I got a couple of welcome e-mails. How do I know if it will give me rakeback. I 4-tables 6max for an hour seeing if it would show up on 'my stats' and it didn't show anything. Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 mkay so I signed up for rakebackpros and I'm not sure if I've been "accepted" I guess. I got a couple of welcome e-mails. How do I know if it will give me rakeback. I 4-tables 6max for an hour seeing if it would show up on 'my stats' and it didn't show anything.It wont show anything in your stats area until the next day. FTP sends out the updates to rakeback afiliates the following day, not real time. In all likely hood you will have to wait a few days before seeing if anything shows up. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I bought a Kaspersky license with the FPPs i got in Januray. Am i stupid? Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I bought a Kaspersky license with the FPPs i got in Januray. Am i stupid?NO RAKEBACK FOR YOU FOR LONG LONG TIME!!! How many FPP's was it? Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 NO RAKEBACK FOR YOU FOR LONG LONG TIME!!! How many FPP's was it?1k for a yearly license. I didn't feel like saving up 3k for a shirt with my username on the back, even less for 4.7k for a bathrobe. Pokerstars needs to make Pokerstars Jersey, like UB and FTP.I'm a silverstar, also. Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ohh right, you are on pokerstars, was thinking fulltilt.. .nevermind about the rakeback comment. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 wtf. I can buy-in for more at 5NL than 10NL on stars. All the 10NL are 40-100bb. Thinking 5NL could be better for me then. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 problem is that when villains are tight, they aren't playing many weak Ax hands, and the Q actually does improve their AQ holdings.When they're tight, they'll at least consider tossing away their one pair hands on the turn when our range can easily be AA,AQ,and AK, unless they're the type to just bluff catch with TP.Not to mention the Q in our hand and on the board = less combos of AQ for someone to have.Personally, I probably bet vs. check there like 60/40 maybe 70/30. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Since I'm opening more hands, I get 3bet more, and so I'm trying to balance the hands I call with by including a few big hands every once in a while.Can't really find anything I'm ahead of on the river, but I also feel like I made a mistake on a previous street.Villain is 21/19Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $26.89 UTG: $31.29 UTG+1: $25.29 CO: $42.68 (Hero)Button: $28.92 SB: $25.10 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.75Flop: ($5.10) (2 players)BB bets $3, Hero calls $3Turn: ($11.10) (2 players)BB checks, Hero checksRiver: ($11.10) (2 players)BB bets $9, Hero foldsBB collected $10.56(Rake: $0.54) Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 more spewingThis converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $25.00 UTG: $47.91 UTG+1: $25.00 CO: $21.82 Button: $34.09 (Hero)SB: $44.54 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, CO folds, Hero calls $1, 2 foldsFlop: ($2.35) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $3.75, UTG+1 calls $2.25Turn: ($9.85) (2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($9.85) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $4.25, Hero raises to $29.34 and is all-in, UTG+1 foldsHero collected $17.46(Rake: $0.89) Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 more spewingThis converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $25.00 UTG: $47.91 UTG+1: $25.00 CO: $21.82 Button: $34.09 (Hero)SB: $44.54 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, CO folds, Hero calls $1, 2 foldsFlop: ($2.35) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $3.75, UTG+1 calls $2.25Turn: ($9.85) (2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($9.85) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $4.25, Hero raises to $29.34 and is all-in, UTG+1 foldsHero collected $17.46(Rake: $0.89)I wouldn't fold anything to your river shove. also raising this sort of flop in pos is going to make you really unbalanced. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 thanks?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (UTG) ($25)MP ($12.72)Button ($26.77)SB ($25)BB ($35.66)Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , K Hero bets $0.75, MP raises to $4.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $25 (All-In), MP calls $8.52 (All-In)Flop: ($25.79) 10 , 9 , 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)Turn: ($25.79) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)River: ($25.79) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: $25.79 | Rake: $1.28Results:Hero had K , K (two pair, Kings and tens).MP had 8 , 3 (one pair, tens).Outcome: Hero won $24.51 Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 why do fish just c/c and always hitFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($31.47)UTG ($28.17)MP ($25)Hero (Button) ($25.60)SB ($25.10)Preflop: Hero is Button with 10 , Q :heart:UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.75Flop: ($2.35) 8 , 2 , 6 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50Turn: ($5.35) J (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $8, Hero foldsTotal pot: $11.35 | Rake: $0.56Results:UTG had 8 , 10 .Outcome: UTG won $10.79 Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I guess he knew I could hero call so he had an easy value bet w/tens ?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($27.14)Hero (SB) ($25)BB ($26.35)UTG ($65.64)MP ($25.35)Preflop: Hero is SB with A , Q 3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($1.50) 6 , 7 , 6 (2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $1, Hero calls $1Turn: ($3.50) 10 (2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2River: ($7.50) K (2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero calls $4Total pot: $15.50 | Rake: $0.77Results:Hero had A , Q (one pair, sixes).BB had 5 , 10 (two pair, tens and sixes).Outcome: BB won $14.73 Link to post Share on other sites
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