SuperJon 175 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Thanks Fighter! On this hand, I was up against the fish at the table. I think turn and river are standard, although betting the turn can also be good. My big concern was the flop, and if I had enough implied odds to call his raise getting almost 3:1. Like I said, he wasn't that good, so I don't see him ever bluff raising this flop, so I'm pretty much calling to hit a 10 only.Also, obv brag since it's (I think) my biggest online pot in terms of BBs.This converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO: $58.48 (Hero)Button: $57.93 SB: $29.52 BB: $25.00 UTG: $25.00 UTG+1: $25.42 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (2 players)Hero bets $1, Button raises to $3, Hero calls $2Turn: ($7.85) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero raises to $18.75, Button calls $11.75River: ($45.35) (2 players)Hero bets $35.98 and is all-in, Button calls $35.43 and is all-inHero showed , and won ($114.21) with a straight, Ten to AceButton showed , and lost with two pair, Aces and QueensHero won $114.21(Rake: $2) Link to post Share on other sites
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KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 So I ran into a certain villian who I am not used to playing against. If at all possible think fighter on crack... Guy was running 88/80 with 3bet of 73% over 73 hands. Now the guy was a decent player, in the sense if he was OOP he folded to 3bet/4bets unless he had a real hand then he shoved. Sadly he was BB when I had the btn which made things really hard. I would open KQs, ATs or whatever and he 3bet me 100%. I 4bet jammed him once and he folded. So my question is, if you know the guy will open 3x if you limp into him. Is it worth limping the btn into him with playable hands like the following knowing he is going to raise it? Or should I just be 4bet jamming him super wide and just ride the variance train?Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1128022DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterSB: $9.32BB: $14.70UTG: $10.39MP: $10.00CO: $2.79Hero (BTN): $10.36Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J T :spade:UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50Flop: ($1.35) 9 Q 8 (2 players)BB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $3.75, BB raises to $14.10 all in, Hero calls $6.01 all inTurn: ($20.87) A (2 players - 2 are all in)River: ($20.87) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)Final Pot: $20.87BB shows K K (a pair of Kings)Hero shows J T (a straight, Queen high)Hero wins $19.48(Rake: $1.39) Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Thanks Fighter! On this hand, I was up against the fish at the table. I think turn and river are standard, although betting the turn can also be good. My big concern was the flop, and if I had enough implied odds to call his raise getting almost 3:1. Like I said, he wasn't that good, so I don't see him ever bluff raising this flop, so I'm pretty much calling to hit a 10 only.Also, obv brag since it's (I think) my biggest online pot in terms of BBs.This converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO: $58.48 (Hero)Button: $57.93 SB: $29.52 BB: $25.00 UTG: $25.00 UTG+1: $25.42 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (2 players)Hero bets $1, Button raises to $3, Hero calls $2Turn: ($7.85) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero raises to $18.75, Button calls $11.75River: ($45.35) (2 players)Hero bets $35.98 and is all-in, Button calls $35.43 and is all-inHero showed , and won ($114.21) with a straight, Ten to AceButton showed , and lost with two pair, Aces and QueensHero won $114.21(Rake: $2)assumptions 1. he has AA,QQ,AQ,99 and isn't folding on ten 2. That we will only get to see the turn I took the effective stack size 54.18, timed it by our equity on the turn when we do hit vs their full house outs 84.091%, $45.56 . Then I times it by the odds of hiting the T, 5 well known cards, 2 unknown cards that are almost certainly not tens. 4/45. $4.047Since $4>$2 , your play is profitable. B/E point for this is $30.75 pre flop. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 So I ran into a certain villian who I am not used to playing against. If at all possible think fighter on crack... Guy was running 88/80 with 3bet of 73% over 73 hands. Now the guy was a decent player, in the sense if he was OOP he folded to 3bet/4bets unless he had a real hand then he shoved. Sadly he was BB when I had the btn which made things really hard. I would open KQs, ATs or whatever and he 3bet me 100%. I 4bet jammed him once and he folded. So my question is, if you know the guy will open 3x if you limp into him. Is it worth limping the btn into him with playable hands like the following knowing he is going to raise it? Or should I just be 4bet jamming him super wide and just ride the variance train?Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1128022DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterSB: $9.32BB: $14.70UTG: $10.39MP: $10.00CO: $2.79Hero (BTN): $10.36Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J T :spade:UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50Flop: ($1.35) 9 Q 8 (2 players)BB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $3.75, BB raises to $14.10 all in, Hero calls $6.01 all inTurn: ($20.87) A (2 players - 2 are all in)River: ($20.87) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)Final Pot: $20.87BB shows K K (a pair of Kings)Hero shows J T (a straight, Queen high)Hero wins $19.48(Rake: $1.39)I see nothing wrong with that, you have your biggest edge when the stack to pot ratio is larger. That is why great players like ivey and durr buy in really deep on those TV shows. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Villain is a reg.Meh, I think he can easily have KQ, A10-AQ, JJ, 1010If I'm c/f the river, should the turn be a b/f? I don't think there's much value in betting the river. Thoughts?beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersButton: $57.55 SB: $31.38 BB: $25.00 UTG: $25.17 CO: $41.76 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (5 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksTurn: ($1.85) (2 players)Hero bets $1, Button raises to $4, Hero calls $3River: ($9.85) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7.25, Hero foldsButton collected $9.37(Rake: $0.48) Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 splendid, just facking splendidA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG+1: $26.59 CO: $25.00 Button: $64.20 (Hero)SB: $25.00 BB: $31.01 UTG: $83.13 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, UTG raises to $8.29, Hero calls $5.54Flop: ($16.93) (2 players)UTG bets $11.25, Hero calls $11.25Turn: ($39.43) (2 players)UTG bets $17.50, Hero raises to $44.66 and is all-in, UTG calls $27.16River: ($128.75) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with two pair, Kings and ThreesUTG showed , and won ($126.75) with two pair, Aces and ThreesUTG won $126.75(Rake: $2) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 :puke:sorry, friend Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 cleared my ironman year end bonus... so ship some of the losses back Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Did i do gewd?once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 6 playersBB: $12.76 UTG: $13.28 UTG+1: $12.07 CO: $17.06 Button: $11.67 SB: $13.16 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with (6 players)3 folds, Button raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.65, BB folds, Button calls $0.45Flop: ($1.35) (2 players)Hero bets $0.85, Button raises to $1.70, Hero calls $0.85Turn: ($4.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $9.32 and is all-in, Hero foldsButton collected $4.52(Rake: $0.23) Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Looks good to me Nashtak. With villian raising flop then jamming turn like that makes me think AK or AA and not much else. Unless you have seen villian spew with lower pairs before, good fold. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 definitelytp isn't worth 2+ Bis there Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I have been on the fence between raising or flatting AQ-AJ on the blinds when facing a late position bet. Mostly read dependant? Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 I have been on the fence between raising or flatting or folding AQ-AJ on the blinds when facing a late position bet. Mostly read dependent? 3 options thoyup Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 3 options thoyupI play 5nl Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 nice life brahv1.24Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 playersCO Springbac: $10.31 Button alesyo: $5.45 SB SchmalzMaker: $10.00 BB huberj89: $5.45 UTG Beluga051509: $10.20 UTG+1 Fungorn: $10.70 MP atention: $7.80 MP2 Hero: $15.84 HJ LiveBet24: $10.00 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with : : (9 players)Beluga051509 folds, Fungorn raises to $0.40, atention folds, Hero folds, LiveBet24 raises to $1.35, 2 folds, SchmalzMaker raises to $10, and is all in, huberj89 folds, Fungorn raises to $10.70, and is all in, LiveBet24 calls $8.65, and is all inFlop: ($30.10) : : : (3 players)Turn: ($30.10) : (3 players)River: ($30.10) : (3 players)SchmalzMaker showed : :, and won ($28.10) with three of a kind, FivesFungorn showed : :, and lost with a pair of AcesLiveBet24 showed : :, and lost with a pair of AcesSchmalzMaker won $28.10(Rake: $2) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 I play 5nlthere are nits at every levelif a 14/12 with 16% steal open the btn I still prob fold AJ in the bb Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 thoughts here besides betting more on turn and probs 3betting prev1.24Milked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 playersUTG+1 pobrecitin: $10.00 MP Frankyh01: $27.46 MP2 DerMirko1: $12.77 HJ realkafri: $8.26 CO Hard2Swallo: $14.13 Button Hero: $10.00 SB Dj_Rulas: $9.90 BB noo nutz: $12.88 UTG vescanfaf: $13.89 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is Button with : : (9 players)2 folds, Frankyh01 raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20, 2 foldsFlop: ($0.55) : : : (2 players)Frankyh01 checks, Hero bets $0.40, Frankyh01 calls $0.40Turn: ($1.35) : (2 players)Frankyh01 checks, Hero bets $0.70, Frankyh01 calls $0.70River: ($2.75) : (2 players)Frankyh01 bets $6.30, Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 I'd bet at least $1 on the turnas played I prob fold the river bc he's got almost no air in his range. and he can't really 2.5x pot overbet worse me thinks Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 there are nits at every levelif a 14/12 with 16% steal open the btn I still prob fold AJ in the bbEvery single time.. Now if he had a steal of 25%+ I would 3bet sometimes. But with those stats, definitly folding. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Moooooooooooraaawwwr.HEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $66.05 Button: $49.85 SB: $51.50 (Hero)BB: $50.00 UTG: $50.35 UTG+1: $40.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with (6 players)3 folds, Button raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB foldsFlop: ($3.50) (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksTurn: ($3.50) (2 players)Hero bets $3.00, Button raises to $9.00, Hero calls $6.00River: ($21.50) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $18.50, Hero foldsButton won $20.45 Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 That is an interesting line by villain, I'm not sure if I find a fold there Fighter Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 That is an interesting line by villain, I'm not sure if I find a fold there FighterI have no idea. I doubt he would take this line as a bluff. Then again no real hand makes sense. Thing that did it for me was the bet size on the river. A flush got there and he just seems to be going for max value. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 I like your play, fighterYou are beat by almost his entire value range and you are right, he doesn't have much of a bluff range Link to post Share on other sites
kepper 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 SB is 18/14once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersMP2: $27.14 HJ: $25.52 CO: $25.25 Button: $25.00 (Hero)SB: $27.43 BB: $27.02 UTG: $12.55 UTG+1: $25.00 MP: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (9 players)3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB foldsFlop: ($2.50) (3 players)SB checks, MP2 bets $1.42, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $4.50, MP2 foldsTurn: ($12.92) (2 players)SB bets $6.75, hero........... Link to post Share on other sites
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