New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[BaseJester 1]

This particular player was a little exploitable, because he (making the same mistake that a majority of players make) almost always played the same situations the same way. So I had a pretty good read on his patterns. He would have three bet JJ-AA 100% of the time preflop. I think he would have three bet TT also, but if he did not, he would definitely have raised my flop bet. A nine might not have raised my flop bet, but (especially with the slightly deeper stacks and the opportunity to build a pot), he is never checking back the turn. He might have floated (for value) my flop bet with ace high - but he would certainly take the free showdown on the double paired board on the river and would not have bet himself. K/Q/J high would never call the flop (especially considering that there was no flush draw. T8 and 86 are unlikely to be in his preflop range, but even if they were there, he would have bet the turn when I showed weakness in that spot most of the time. A2 suited takes the showdown at the river. 88 is possible, but it is more likely that he would have bet the turn. A seven is possible - in my estimation, a seven was the only hand he could realistically have that does beat me. (88 also but it is discounted).So what else does that leave him? 55, 44, 33, 32s, 42s are all in his range and would be played exactly like this (since they are all counterfeited on the river). So basically, doing the analysis, I figured that I win against all of those, and lose only to a seven (discounted mathematically) and 88 (discounted because he is more likely to bet the turn). Thus, getting 2-1, I decided to call with ....6-6!! For six high! SHIP IT!!!!!!! (he had 44)

I'm not convinced.What kind of villain logic makes him fold T8s or 86s but call preflop with 42s? How can we discount a full house?On the river, the villain can be betting an ace on the logic that he's at worst chopping when the hero checks the river.

[KingJames 11]

So in quite a few spots I am jamming an over-pair on the river and getting folds after villain called flop and turn... is it possible that these jams are too thin as villains either have a busted draw or a 1-pair that can't call and I'm only going to be called if I am vs 2p or a set?a few examples:Milked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB Shogun3411: $11.67 BB theodhem: $18.67 UTG moneymaker686: $56.43 UTG+1 Hero: $25.00 CO Sifat Amin: $7.90 Button roda1783: $24.72 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)moneymaker686 raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, Sifat Amin calls $0.75, roda1783 folds, Shogun3411 calls $0.65, theodhem calls $0.50Flop: ($3.75) (5 players)Shogun3411 checks, theodhem checks, moneymaker686 bets $3, Hero calls $3, 3 foldsTurn: ($9.75) (2 players)moneymaker686 checks, Hero bets $6.25, moneymaker686 calls $6.25River: ($22.25) (2 players)moneymaker686 checks, Hero bets $15, and is all in, moneymaker686 foldsHero won $21.14(Rake: $1.11)

[KingJames 11]

Converting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersSB Monsgigi: $19.63 BB oscrure: $13.72 UTG Hero: $33.21 CO DirectDambla: $25.00 Button samboynotcat1: $24.25 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with (5 players)Hero raises to $0.85, DirectDambla folds, samboynotcat1 calls $0.85, Monsgigi calls $0.75, oscrure foldsFlop: ($2.80) (3 players)Monsgigi checks, Hero bets $2.25, samboynotcat1 folds, Monsgigi calls $2.25Turn: ($7.30) (2 players)Monsgigi checks, Hero bets $5.50, Monsgigi calls $5.50River: ($18.30) (2 players)Monsgigi checks, Hero bets $14, Monsgigi foldsHero won $17.39(Rake: $0.91)

[KingJames 11]

Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB Thund3rd0m3: $35.61 UTG andrei1978: $30.61 UTG+1 brbrwn: $19.17 CO roon-dog1025: $20.47 Button Hero: $37.85 SB whiplashChil: $25.14 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)2 folds, roon-dog1025 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, roon-dog1025 calls $1Flop: ($2.85) (2 players)roon-dog1025 checks, Hero bets $2.25, roon-dog1025 calls $2.25Turn: ($7.35) (2 players)roon-dog1025 checks, Hero bets $5.50, roon-dog1025 calls $5.50River: ($18.35) (2 players)roon-dog1025 checks, Hero bets $28.85, and is all in, roon-dog1025 foldsHero won $17.44(Rake: $0.91)this guy is a fish, I think it's a good jam as he's not folding KJ or KT ($11.47 effective)

[donk4life 34]

James if you think some of these guys have 1 pair hands that won't call a river shove, bet smaller and either a.) make a little more money off the guys, or b.) get them to spazz. Obviously when you're betting small in these situations you're doing it with the intention of calling almost all raises. Although, on the first Kings hand I may check back river, but I'm a nit. But the other two I really don't know if you can do anything different. But your bet sizing is perfect, just make them have top pair next time ldo.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Also, think about how pretty it makes your redline.

[KingJames 11]

yeah, I think betting smaller is something I've never really thought of when I have psb or less left... it might be something to try vs some of the regs

[KingJames 11]

Also, think about how pretty it makes your redline.

My redline has been staying around 0 lately as opposed to straight down... mostly due to not getting paid with big hands I think tho :(And I've been 4-bet bluffing regs a lot.I've noticed a lot of villains (regs and fish) flatting 4bets oop with strong and weak hands... it's quite peculiar

[trystero 0]

redline > greenline. in Boston anyway.

[fighter 4]

I'm not convinced.What kind of villain logic makes him fold T8s or 86s but call preflop with 42s? How can we discount a full house?On the river, the villain can be betting an ace on the logic that he's at worst chopping when the hero checks the river.

you're right, he just got lucky.

[fighter 4]

Ok I have played this hand against a fish Dont have a cow, heres your converted handHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 4 playersButton: $52.19 SB: $71.76 BB: $50.00 UTG: $51.25 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with (4 players)Hero raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, 2 foldsFlop: ($3.75) (2 players)Hero bets $3.00, Button calls $3.00Turn: ($9.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksRiver: ($9.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksButton showed , Button won $9.27With the reads you can gather off that hand and these stats what is your plan of action for this. Feral Cow PokerHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersUTG+1: $42.34 CO: $79.07 Button: $52.19 SB: $50.00 BB: $40.75 (Hero)UTG: $61.03 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG+1 calls $2.00, SB foldsFlop: ($5.50) (2 players)Hero bets $4.00, UTG+1 calls $4.00Turn: ($13.50) (2 players)Hero bets $9.00, UTG+1 calls $9.00River: ($31.50) (2 players)Hero $25.25 left Anyone play previous streets different?

[KingJames 11]

wow, interesting spot (could you break down your hud when you have a chance, not that it really matters of such a small sample but I'm curious)he fears the nuts/getting c.r with a vulnerable strong-non-nut handhe doesn't value bet thinly, probably calls almost his entire range on the turn (sets, 2p, heart draws) so we could be up against a lot of really strong hands.c/f seems best based on the other hand. He's like one of those really loose live players who sees a ton of flops but doesn't put a lot of money in post without a really good hand.could be an argument for c/calling as his river betting range is heavily polarizedstill think I c/f thoedit: I bet a jam makes him fold a few better hands... QJ being one of them, maybe 22

[fighter 4]

[KingJames 11]

yeah, i'm still really tornbased on that hand you provided doesn't actually mean he'll fold better if we jamit also doesn't give us any concrete idea of how he plays facing aggression. In the read hand, he calls with tp, JT, which he could do again on the 2nd hand. He could then get sticky on the turn (it's a scare/barrel card) and he might be a 50/15 station fish who is putting in 3 streets with JT here... and obv he checks back a hand that weak on this river based on the other hand...I think his calling range is gonna more heavily weighted toward 2p+...There aren't a lot of KQ or similar QX hands he could float except with QhXh which obv are now a flush...Yeah, I can't think of many hands we beat that he gets to the river with and he calls...c/f, final answer

[KosinTrouble 0]

I am still betting the river even if it is for thin value. There is still too much value out there to not bet. You have a super passive fish that will easily call down with a single pair, lots of straight draws missed and a slew of other cards and even some pairs likes T's, 9's. yes he can have a flush, yes he can have 2pair but I am still going to value bet even if it is thin. Doesnt have to be a big bet either. I just want to get a little bit more out of him. You know he isnt going to raise unless he has the nuts. So even if you get another $7-$10 I say get it. Hell even $5 more is 10% of a buy in, its a pretty lame blocker bet, but he will still call with his entire range and still wont raise it.

[KingJames 11]

yeah, why no auto reload, Fighter?Is it a 50bb table or is this one of those, you posted the hand from the perspective of the villain?

[fighter 4]

yeah, why no auto reload, Fighter?Is it a 50bb table or is this one of those, you posted the hand from the perspective of the villain?

I am still playing off that free $20 they put in my account in December. I was 4 tabling 50nl and didn't want to break any of the other tables. Auto reload was on, It just was empty.

[KingJames 11]

ipoker ftwso what do you think? c/f? jam?

[KosinTrouble 0]

ipoker ftwso what do you think? c/f? jam?

I am also curious about what you did and the results. I would guess you jammed.

[fighter 4]

I jammed and he had Th8h for the combo draw on the flop. Part of me did want to c/f in real game though. If he is going to be against putting money into the pot with trips, I have a feeling that he has alot of draws in his range and the made hands he does have crush me. So while the turn bet is obvious since alot of straight and flush draws are out, having the flush draw get there on the river mixed with him probably not trying to push me off the best hand gives real validity to the c/f line.Whether I can gather that big of a read off someone from just a could of hands is really the issue, I am still not that sure.I actually like the idea of a small blocker value type bet. pretty neat.

[KingJames 11]

hmmmmmmm

[KingJames 11]

This was posted on DC and generated some decent discussion

Not sure what to do here when the taggy looking BB donks out for < 1/2 pot. I'd like to keep the fishy looking guy to my left in the pot, and seeing the board pair after a wet flop like this would be nice. Im really leaning towards a call in this spot - what do you guys think?BB is 17/14 over 65 hands. co is 55/30 over 35 hands. Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1123155DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterBTN: $12.41SB: $11.84BB: $14.90Hero (UTG): $10.00CO: $11.44Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30Flop: ($1.25) (3 players)BB bets $0.50, Hero??

co behind us is pretty fishy... but it's < 1/2 psbkinda scary board... but bb almost never has JJ QQ AK...thoughts?

[SuperJon 175]

Since we pretty much have the nuts, and the fish is in the hand, I'd call and hope for a safe turn card, or for the board to pair.

[SuperJon 175]

So since Saturday, I've started opening up my game more spewing.I went from playing 21/16 to 27/22, although at times I'm playing as loose as 40/32 with the right table conditions. I've been trying not to spew too much, and really just balance my bluffs with thin value bets. My main goal now is to pick up the small/medium pots that no one wants to fight for.It's a lot tougher (not to say I was playing perfect as a TAG) because I'm playing more hands, and I have to pay more attention and not just be on auto pilot. Plus it's more fun : )Anyways, here's the big spew/bluff of the night.His flop bet is pretty weak, so I think his range is probably 55-99 and maybe some garbage hand like mine. I like to check back on the turn since that's what'd I do with my entire range. Once the J hits the river, and he makes another weak stab, I decided his range wasn't strong enough to play for stacks.When he bets the river, I think it's either for thin value w/99, or as a bluff with 55-77 since he got counterfeited, and possibly some random KQ or A10. Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB: $31.40 BB: $25.00 UTG: $30.38 UTG+1: $24.06 CO: $26.00 Button: $41.17 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.50, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (3 players)UTG checks, CO bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.75, UTG folds, CO calls $2.05Turn: ($7.35) (2 players)CO checks, Hero checksRiver: ($7.35) (2 players)CO bets $4.40, Hero raises to $37.92 and is all-in, CO foldsHero collected $15.37(Rake: $0.78)

[fighter 4]

So since Saturday, I've started opening up my game more spewing.I went from playing 21/16 to 27/22, although at times I'm playing as loose as 40/32 with the right table conditions. I've been trying not to spew too much, and really just balance my bluffs with thin value bets. My main goal now is to pick up the small/medium pots that no one wants to fight for.It's a lot tougher (not to say I was playing perfect as a TAG) because I'm playing more hands, and I have to pay more attention and not just be on auto pilot. Plus it's more fun : )Anyways, here's the big spew/bluff of the night.His flop bet is pretty weak, so I think his range is probably 55-99 and maybe some garbage hand like mine. I like to check back on the turn since that's what'd I do with my entire range. Once the J hits the river, and he makes another weak stab, I decided his range wasn't strong enough to play for stacks.When he bets the river, I think it's either for thin value w/99, or as a bluff with 55-77 since he got counterfeited, and possibly some random KQ or A10. Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB: $31.40 BB: $25.00 UTG: $30.38 UTG+1: $24.06 CO: $26.00 Button: $41.17 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.50, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (3 players)UTG checks, CO bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.75, UTG folds, CO calls $2.05Turn: ($7.35) (2 players)CO checks, Hero checksRiver: ($7.35) (2 players)CO bets $4.40, Hero raises to $37.92 and is all-in, CO foldsHero collected $15.37(Rake: $0.78)

Kind of crazy. If you are going to be this loose, then I would be conscious of your back door equity. 67,79,9T, two cards above 8, XhXh,XcXc,XsXs. While it might not seem like much, they give you a bunch of cards you know you can bet on the turn and help you deliver some sick beats.