New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[trystero 0]

how can you play tourneys man?

[trystero 0]

Gross stuff, except for the T river in the KT > 55 hand... that's nice!I'm getting my teeth kicked in, but taking a break to watch football and hangout... will robusto.I did flop quads when aipf with QQ vs KK... that was nice

AIM me if you want a sweat later...I'll try and help ya out COLLUSION STYLES

[trystero 0]

meh hate foldingonly read on villain is that he c/r'ed a set on a monotone board. aj right?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($20.24)UTG ($38.20)MP ($25)CO ($25.92)Button ($15.65)Hero (SB) ($25)Preflop: Hero is SB with K , A 3 folds, Button calls $0.25, Hero bets $1, BB calls $0.75, 1 foldFlop: ($2.25) 4 , 3 , A (2 players)Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50Turn: ($5.25) J (2 players)Hero bets $3, BB raises to $8, Hero foldsTotal pot: $11.25 | Rake: $0.56Results:BB didn't showOutcome: BB won $10.69

[trystero 0]

yea not rigged obvFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB ($28.99)BB ($25)UTG ($44.09)MP ($24.35)CO ($28.96)Hero (Button) ($32.92)Preflop: Hero is Button with 2 , A UTG bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 foldFlop: ($3.25) 3 , Q , 3 (4 players)SB bets $1.40, 1 fold, MP calls $1.40, Hero calls $1.40Turn: ($7.45) 7 (3 players)SB bets $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $10River: ($27.45) K (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $20.77 (All-In), SB calls $16.84 (All-In)Total pot: $61.13 | Rake: $3Results:Hero had 2 , A (flush, Ace high).SB had 7 , 7 (full house, sevens over threes).Outcome: SB won $58.13

[SuperJon 175]

how can you play tourneys man?

Over the years, I've been able to convince myself that I'm good at them.

[KingJames 11]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[trystero 0]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($55.69)Button ($13.75)SB ($34)BB ($17.25)UTG ($28.42)Preflop: Hero is MP with A , 3 1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) A , 7 , 5 (2 players)Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25Turn: ($4.35) 3 (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksRiver: ($4.35) 9 (2 players)Hero bets $2.50, Button raises to $7, Hero folds

[KingJames 11]

Assuming tightish/passive bet/fold seems good. Maybe bet/fold $3-$3.25 to get value from Ax that isn't two pair+

[trystero 0]

ya I like $3 insteadfwiw he had been very quiet all game, so I see him raising worse never. but he is a ss idiot.

[trystero 0]

sigh villain'sa reg and we have to fold rightFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($25)Hero (Button) ($34.37)SB ($25.45)BB ($26.57)UTG ($30.88)Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 10 2 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($1.60) 8 , 10 , Q (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25Turn: ($4.10) 5 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3River: ($10.10) 4 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $6.50, BB raises to $21.57 (All-In), Hero foldsTotal pot: $23.10 | Rake: $1.15

[fighter 4]

sigh villain'sa reg and we have to fold right

Yeah I think so. Only hand that makes sense is AsXs but he probably has it close to 90% of the time. These hands are always nice. beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersBB: $51.40 (Hero)UTG: $72.95 UTG+1: $24.70 CO: $65.50 Button: $52.05 SB: $50.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, CO raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, UTG+1 raises to $24.70, and is all in, CO raises to $65.50, and is all in, Hero calls $46.90, and is all inFlop: ($127.75) (3 players)Turn: ($127.75) (3 players)River: ($127.75) (3 players)Hero showed , and won ($124.75) with three of a kind, AcesUTG+1 showed , and lost with three of a kind, JacksCO showed , and lost with a pair of KingsHero won $124.75(Rake: $3)

[trystero 0]

sweet turn magic

[trystero 0]

couple k losing hands this weekend and my impressions of small sample-size 25nl in 2010 (with some hands to illustrate#$@$!!!!):lots of breakeven/losing regs. many are nitty, like not 3-betting w/JJ from the BB to a loose BTN opener. many seem to have predictable bet-sizing tells. small raises on dry boards = bluff. larger raises, on any board, are not a bluff. tougher games in general because there are far fewer fish. -1bb/100 regs will take longer to bleed than -15 whales.fold to river bets unless the line makes no sense. even then, you get hands like this one, where a nit opened from the CO and I flatted from bb w/AQo (Same guy who didn't 3-bet me w/QQ in a hand I posted here). Flop came KJ4cc, check/check. I bet the Qx turn, he calls. River rando card, I check and he bets ~1/2. Line makes little sense except for QJ from a nit, but when I put a guy on one hand I have to call w/those pot odds, and he predictably shows me QJ. no one can fold one pair. that's why they're -1bb over 150k hands at 25nl. I guess I have to take my own 10nl advice which is to never triple-barrel bluff because if they're calling two shells then they're calling three. Here's a bluff I ran where I think a decent reg would've folded. Numbers are off but in the hand I was shoving for about pot at the river. In any event I know his range is as those boys on 2+2 say "capped" and my image is clean. Open w/98s $35 deep and an aggro BB 3-bets, and I call; probably a bad call in retrospect even w/$35 behind. Flop is QT4dd. He checks, I bet $3 into $5.5 or whatever and he calls. Turn the 9x. I bet ~$8; he calls. River the 7d. Checks, I shove and he calls w/AT? I PTR him and he's another one of these "-1.6pt/bb over 150k hands" guys. My own fault for the FPS that will make me one of those guys.lol fact: I was playing with Jim McManus in nitring, and he's getting crushed.should get my DB up and running so I can review hands better

[KingJames 11]

sweet write upIn for not bluffing three strees, unless you are tilted and your villain doesn't have an A or QT and you can have those hands.Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $16.93 UTG: $19.71 UTG+1: $31.02 CO: $35.54 (Hero)Button: $31.26 SB: $11.95 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.85, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $0.85, 3 foldsFlop: ($2.05) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG calls $1.25Turn: ($4.55) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, UTG calls $2.75River: ($10.05) (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $7.25, UTG foldsHero won $9.55(Rake: $0.50)The call pre was semi justifiable bc one of the blinds was a drooler like 45/10 type

[trystero 0]

Nice, blow 'em out. That's how it's supposed to go when they take a pot controlling line. If I did that I'd get hit with a river shove.PF is fine regardless of drooling blinds. I mean you just ran UTG over.

[KingJames 11]

Thoughts on the river?First hand he has played but 2nd orbit. So 0/0 over 8 hands or soFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersButton Eskargot_Floopy: $9.00 SB pmv1978: $24.40 BB ddonkbusterr: $30.91 UTG Hero: $25.77 CO ETBrooD: $26.79 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with (5 players)Hero raises to $0.75, ETBrooD folds, pmv1978 calls $0.65, ddonkbusterr foldsFlop: ($1.75) (3 players)pmv1978 checks, Hero bets $1, pmv1978 calls $1Turn: ($3.75) (3 players)pmv1978 checks, Hero bets $2.50, pmv1978 calls $2.50River: ($8.75) (3 players)pmv1978 bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

He had QJcc

[KingJames 11]

And I snappppp called this river and it felt good (still lost a buy-in over 600 hands today, but whatev... I'm playing fairly well)once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG+1 Edgarlucky: $25.85 CO tiingelTanghel: $25.00 Button MungosLiman: $14.99 SB Copernicus79: $16.55 BB Hero: $25.42 UTG heatmyteet: $19.88 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with (6 players)heatmyteet calls $0.25, 3 folds, Copernicus79 calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1.10, heatmyteet folds, Copernicus79 calls $0.85Flop: ($2.45) (2 players)Copernicus79 checks, Hero bets $1.50, Copernicus79 calls $1.50Turn: ($5.45) (2 players)Copernicus79 checks, Hero bets $3.10, Copernicus79 calls $3.10River: ($11.65) (2 players)Copernicus79 bets $10.85, and is all in, Hero calls $10.85Copernicus79 showed , and lost with two pair, Eights and FivesHero showed , and won ($31.69) with two pair, Tens and FivesHero won $31.69(Rake: $1.66)

[KingJames 11]

Villain is 49/41 over 39 hands. He's 3betting 36% (5/14) and this is his 2nd 4bet although the first 4b was not a cold-4Still even for 120 bigs we gots to get it in here, right?Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB deserebrik: $25.35 UTG fanofhockey23: $27.46 UTG+1 pablojota: $9.85 CO Hero: $30.28 Button Perdulo: $22.90 SB slayV4G: $78.94 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)fanofhockey23 folds, pablojota raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.50, Perdulo folds, slayV4G raises to $8.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30.28, and is all in, slayV4G calls $21.78Flop: ($61.81) (2 players)Turn: ($61.81) (2 players)River: ($61.81) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with three of a kind, QueensslayV4G showed , and won ($58.81) with three of a kind, KingsslayV4G won $58.81(Rake: $3)

[KingJames 11]

This was tilting too. Sick line, brah.Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB PokerN1nJa 09: $25.00 UTG xAockd: $25.20 UTG+1 GGLurchi: $25.00 CO Hero: $29.12 Button Mashuk: $26.35 SB 18LuckyFor_Da18: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with (6 players)Hero raises to $0.75, Mashuk calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (4 players)Hero bets $1.25, Mashuk raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.25Turn: ($6.85) (4 players)Hero checks, Mashuk bets $4, Hero calls $4River: ($14.85) (4 players)Hero checks, Mashuk checksHero mucked Mashuk showed , and won ($14.11) with two pair, Kings and TwosMashuk won $14.11(Rake: $0.74)

[trystero 0]

Question is raise/call in the first hand...raising is pointless w/out reads, so the call is good. What can you do when these monkeys call OOP cluelessly and get bailed out by FTP. It's not like he could've turned a queen..he had to go BD miracleNice call in hand 2. Draws missed, and only hand you're worried about really is 5x. He shouldn't ever have a king, but I've seen it. Hand yesterday I made a thin triple barrel v/bet w/JJ on a 62TK2 board...he had K6.

[trystero 0]

Ordinarily fold QQ to a cold 4-bet, but villain's stats indicate loose dumb fish, so there's nothing you can do but shrug off the setup.W/ QQ against KQ you played it OK, but being OOP I may tempt him to lose his mind. He's clearly FOS, and in position I almost always call and let him hang himself...but OOP we're at such a disadvantage that I may min-raise him to try and get him to push his bluffs and to build a pot for his weaker overpairs.

[KingJames 11]

Ordinarily fold QQ to a cold 4-bet, but villain's stats indicate loose dumb fish, so there's nothing you can do but shrug off the setup.W/ QQ against KQ you played it OK, but being OOP I may tempt him to lose his mind. He's clearly FOS, and in position I almost always call and let him hang himself...but OOP we're at such a disadvantage that I may min-raise him to try and get him to push his bluffs and to build a pot for his weaker overpairs.

I hadn't thought of that with the QQ vs KQs... maybe 3b/get it in is best bc he may stack off 99-JJ and we don't want that K to roll off and kill our action or make him the best hand

[fighter 4]

couple k losing hands this weekend and my impressions of small sample-size 25nl in 2010 (with some hands to illustrate#$@$!!!!):lots of breakeven/losing regs. many are nitty, like not 3-betting w/JJ from the BB to a loose BTN opener. many seem to have predictable bet-sizing tells. small raises on dry boards = bluff. larger raises, on any board, are not a bluff. tougher games in general because there are far fewer fish. -1bb/100 regs will take longer to bleed than -15 whales.fold to river bets unless the line makes no sense. even then, you get hands like this one, where a nit opened from the CO and I flatted from bb w/AQo (Same guy who didn't 3-bet me w/QQ in a hand I posted here). Flop came KJ4cc, check/check. I bet the Qx turn, he calls. River rando card, I check and he bets ~1/2. Line makes little sense except for QJ from a nit, but when I put a guy on one hand I have to call w/those pot odds, and he predictably shows me QJ. no one can fold one pair. that's why they're -1bb over 150k hands at 25nl. I guess I have to take my own 10nl advice which is to never triple-barrel bluff because if they're calling two shells then they're calling three. Here's a bluff I ran where I think a decent reg would've folded. Numbers are off but in the hand I was shoving for about pot at the river. In any event I know his range is as those boys on 2+2 say "capped" and my image is clean. Open w/98s $35 deep and an aggro BB 3-bets, and I call; probably a bad call in retrospect even w/$35 behind. Flop is QT4dd. He checks, I bet $3 into $5.5 or whatever and he calls. Turn the 9x. I bet ~$8; he calls. River the 7d. Checks, I shove and he calls w/AT? I PTR him and he's another one of these "-1.6pt/bb over 150k hands" guys. My own fault for the FPS that will make me one of those guys.lol fact: I was playing with Jim McManus in nitring, and he's getting crushed.should get my DB up and running so I can review hands better

The key to these dumb abc regs at these limits is to pick off their really stupid attempts at bluffs. When you raise button and they 3bet from blinds, 4bet a really high amount since they will either call and try to fit/fold which is terrible or they will fold which is exploitable. While they should be 5bet shoving light, they have not got the heart. Here is an example from yesterday. This guy would imo call with a set on this dry board to let me keep bluffing. So him raising on this board is trying exploit me and representing no hand. So I click it back to him, I represent nothing also and my bet size is stupid but for him to do anything about it he would need a hand or heart and he hasn't got either. beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $63.80 Button: $24.00 SB: $117.30 BB: $101.30 UTG: $50.00 UTG+1: $50.00 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 3 foldsFlop: ($3.75) (2 players)Hero bets $2.50, CO raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $16.50, CO foldsHero won $21.65Also I wouldn't rule out 3 barrel bluffs. They have a place but you need a read. Don't forget about overbets. No one does them as bluffs, regs at 25nl know this, so they fold. Just overbetting requires heart ect.

[KingJames 11]

nh, fighter. I've tried a few 3bets as bluffs when I get raised where they rep air or nuts and I've got shoved on a lot, but I'm gonna keep looking for spots. I think raising really small is a good idea too.On an unrelated note, how do we adjust to this guy? I found his holding to be weird. This was early in the match and I didn't know as much about him.He's 59/33/418% 3bet, 50% fold to 3b, 88%cbet, 57% fold to cbet over 90 handsFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG: $25.00 UTG+1: $20.60 CO: $19.25 Button: $27.60 (Hero)SB: $28.69 BB: $32.06 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (6 players)UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (3 players)CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50Turn: ($4.85) (3 players)CO bets $3, Hero calls $3River: ($10.85) (3 players)CO bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75CO showed , and lost with a pair of SevensHero showed , and won ($23.14) with a pair of QueensHero won $23.14(Rake: $1.21)

[trystero 0]

Fighter nh, tho surprised he didn't donkfelt AJ. On 2+2 etc you hear that you shouldn't rebluff in those spots because you "rep nothing" and whatever but it doesn't matter unless your opponent can exploit you. OTB I 3-bet that guy, tho I can see caution if you know very little about him. Bet you wish you knew then what you did after 90 hands, ehPostflop I don't see how you can play it differently, nh