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If I flat I have to make a pair or raise with Ahigh on the flop...
FYPThere's your leak. If you're going to flat wide you're going to have to pick flops where A high is likely good, or he is likely to fold to the board texture and raise. It gets countered by him stacking off light, and re-countered by you raising 100% of your value range.My idea of redline play is valuebetting / raising so thin that he *theoretically* should never show up with worse to your bottom end
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This deserves to get seen by a few more people. From our resident Stupidhead...v1.27Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterHEM/Poker Stars NL Hold'em $1.00/$2.00 - 6 playersButton: $237.98SB: $200.00BB: $60.00

I remember when this thread was all about how bad KJ was at 3betting

He's probably not flatting KJ's raise otf if he had a2. Besides, A2 is such a small portion of his range here, we are never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding the turn. People are stupid, they do

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Sometimes you just got to hate moneyferal_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 5 playersButton: $162.40 SB: $50.00 BB: $52.50 UTG: $50.75 CO: $51.25 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with :5c:4h (5 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.25, Button folds, SB calls $1, BB foldsFlop: ($3.00) :ts:3h:jh (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2Turn: ($7.00) :qh (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB calls $5.50River: ($18.00) :club: (2 players)SB bets $11, Hero raises to $42.50, and is all in, SB foldsHero won $38(Rake: $2)

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I was closing up my tables when this hand happened. feral_cow_icon.gifConverting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersUTG: $42.30 UTG+1: $68.50 CO: $93.25 (Hero)Button: $50.00 SB: $44.50 BB: $56.30 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with :ts:3h (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, Button folds, SB raises to $4.25, BB folds, Hero calls $3Flop: ($9.00) :D :D :jh (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $5Turn: ($19.00) :D (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB raises to $35.25, and is all in, Hero calls $25.25River: ($89.50) :5c (2 players)Hero showed :4h:qh, and lost with two pair, Kings and JacksSB showed :D:club:, and won ($86.50) with three of a kind, JacksSB won $86.50(Rake: $3)Was Still a winning session, just makes it harder to quit a table when a fish just got double stacked.

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feral_cow_icon.gifMoooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersUTG: $50.00 (Hero)UTG+1: $26.75 CO: $26.60 Button: $50.00 SB: $50.00 BB: $97.50 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with :qh:D (6 players)UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1Flop: ($3.25) :ts:D :D (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60Turn: ($6.45) :club: (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4River: ($14.45) :3h (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $19.50, and is all in, Hero calls $19.50Hero showed :jh:D, and won ($50.80) with a straight, Jack highCO showed :4h:5c, and lost with a pair of JacksHero won $50.80(Rake: $2.65)First hand at table, I wanted to fold river, If it wasn't for his bet sizing on the flop I might of. lulz
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oferal_cow_icon.gifA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB Hero: $29.27 BB pytzy1: $20.65 UTG egr777: $45.79 UTG+1 PKimbap: $36.37 CO ralpht1047: $22.28 Button 7GARGAMEL7: $25.77 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Tc.gifKc.gif (6 players)3 folds, 7GARGAMEL7 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, pytzy1 calls $2.25, 7GARGAMEL7 foldsFlop: ($5.75) 2s.gifTd.gif9h.gif (2 players)Hero bets $2.75, pytzy1 calls $2.75Turn: ($11.25) 6s.gif (2 players)Hero bets $5.50, pytzy1 calls $5.50River: ($22.25) 3d.gif (2 players)Hero bets $18.52, and is all in, pytzy1 calls $9.90, and is all inHero showed Tc.gifKc.gif, and won ($39.95) with a pair of Tenspytzy1 mucked 7d.gif7s.gifHero won $39.95(Rake: $2.10)

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:club:feral_cow_icon.gifCows play poker with cow chipsHEM/Poker Stars NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 8 playersUTG: $25.00 UTG+1: $24.65 MP: $41.10 (Hero)HJ: $10.97 CO: $20.00 Button: $55.41 SB: $27.20 BB: $15.25 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Ah.gifAd.gif (8 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Button raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10.25, Button calls $8.00Flop: ($20.85) 8c.gif7c.gif6d.gif (2 players)Hero bets $15.80, Button calls $15.80Turn: ($52.45) 4d.gif (2 players)Hero bets $15.05, Button calls $15.05River: ($82.55) 2s.gif (2 players)Hero showed Ah.gifAd.gif, Button showed Qs.gifQd.gif, Hero won $80.55
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\Watching the Rangers/Yanks and grinding donkaments... life tilt to follow I'm sure
Expert play in these donkaments.feral_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t80/t160 - 9 playersHJ Jusked: t2,195 CO IBNUTZ: t4,975 Button corbu2908: t2,030 SB Huddleup89: t3,450 BB joshadkins7: t4,062 UTG Hero: t2,765 UTG+1 SteveB85: t21,976 MP savard22: t7,487 MP2 TXJUL: t10,850 Preflop: (t240) Hero is UTG with Qh.gifQs.gif (9 players)Hero raises to t350, SteveB85 raises to t1,161, savard22 folds, TXJUL calls t1,161, 5 folds, Hero raises to t2,765, and is all in, SteveB85 calls t1,604, TXJUL calls t1,604Flop: (t8,535) 8d.gifJc.gif3s.gif (3 players)SteveB85 checks, TXJUL checksTurn: (t8,535) 7c.gif (3 players)SteveB85 checks, TXJUL checksRiver: (t8,535) Ah.gif (3 players)SteveB85 checks, TXJUL checksHero showed Qh.gifQs.gif, and lost with a pair of QueensSteveB85 showed As.gifQc.gif, and won (8,535) with a pair of AcesTXJUL mucked Tc.gifTs.gifSteveB85 won t8,535
I wanted to make the pot bigger because we were pretty deep and I was oop.
Yeah, even 200 bbs deep you can get the money in easily in a 4b pot, but I understand your point.
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Here is an interesting spot for you guys. I am 10 hands into the table with this fish when this hand happensferal_cow_icon.gifYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersUTG: $81.55 UTG+1: $113.80 CO: $90.35 Button: $102.80 SB: $20.25 BB: $57.80 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Ac.gifAs.gif (6 players)3 folds, Button raises to $1.75, SB calls $1.50, Hero raises to $7, Button calls $5.25, SB calls $5.25Flop: ($21.00) Js.gif6s.gifTd.gif (3 players)SB bets $13.25, and is all in, Hero raises to $50.80, and is all in, Button foldsTurn: ($47.50) Kh.gif (2 players)River: ($47.50) Qs.gif (2 players)SB showed Qd.gifKc.gif, and lost with two pair, Kings and QueensHero showed Ac.gifAs.gif, and won ($45.15) with a straight, Ace highHero won $45.15(Rake: $2.35)Nothing unusual. Next hand this happens feral_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersBB: $81.55 UTG: $113.80 UTG+1: $90.35 CO: $95.80 Button: $13.00 SB: $82.70 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Qs.gifJs.gif (6 players)3 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, Button raises to $13, and is all in, Hero foldsButton won $5.50(Rake: $0) Next hand I fold 73o , Next hand feral_cow_icon.gifDont have a cow, heres your converted handFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersButton: $80.80 SB: $113.30 BB: $90.35 UTG: $94.05 UTG+1: $18.30 CO: $80.20 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Kc.gifTs.gif (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to $18.30, and is all in, Hero foldsUTG+1 won $5.25(Rake: $0)I was extremely temped to call here but didn't pull the trigger. More to follow next post.

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Seeing a pattern and Thinking he might be on tilt, The very next hand. feral_cow_icon.gifMilked from the teat of a feral cowFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $80.80 Button: $113.05 SB: $89.85 BB: $94.05 UTG: $21.30 UTG+1: $77.95 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with 9s.gifTs.gif (6 players)UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 3 folds, BB checksFlop: ($1.75) Ah.gif6c.gif2d.gif (3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checksTurn: ($1.75) Qh.gif (3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checksRiver: ($1.75) 7d.gif (3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checksBB showed 4d.gifQc.gif, and won ($1.70) with a pair of QueensUTG mucked Kc.gif5d.gifHero mucked 9s.gifTs.gifBB won $1.70(Rake: $0.05)So he has l/rr and I have folded twice, he has saw me limp behind. It leads me to this spot. feral_cow_icon.gifCows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersSB: $80.30 BB: $113.05 UTG: $95.20 UTG+1: $95.00 CO: $17.80 Button: $75.20 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with 6s.gifAd.gif (6 players)2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, CO raises to $5, If he had l/shoved I would of snapped called thinking he is tilted, however he has made it small. Is he playing the player and stack size? 4 hands ago he has seen me adjust to his limping by just calling, however it is only 9 hands since I have stacked him and it is 3/3 limp/re-raise opportunities since.Thoughts?

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unrelated Kind of funny hand. I think The villain clicking the show hand button while mucking was what made me laugh. Like I sucked out or somethingferal_cow_icon.gifCows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 5 playersBB: $100.80 UTG: $97.30 CO: $83.45 Button: $95.45 SB: $93.90 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 2h.gif2d.gif (5 players)2 folds, Button raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB foldsFlop: ($4.00) 7d.gifKd.gifKh.gif (2 players)Hero checks, Button checksTurn: ($4.00) Ks.gif (2 players)Hero bets $2, Button calls $2River: ($8.00) 6d.gif (2 players)Hero bets $3.50, Button calls $3.50Button showed Ad.gifTc.gif, and lost with three of a kind, KingsHero showed 2h.gif2d.gif, and won ($14.25) with a full house, Kings full of TwosHero won $14.25(Rake: $0.75)

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So he has l/rr and I have folded twice, he has saw me limp behind. It leads me to this spot. feral_cow_icon.gifCows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersSB: $80.30 BB: $113.05 UTG: $95.20 UTG+1: $95.00 CO: $17.80 Button: $75.20 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with 6s.gifAd.gif (6 players)2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, CO raises to $5, If he had l/shoved I would of snapped called thinking he is tilted, however he has made it small. Is he playing the player and stack size? 4 hands ago he has seen me adjust to his limping by just calling, however it is only 9 hands since I have stacked him and it is 3/3 limp/re-raise opportunities since.Thoughts?
Spite call
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Everything about the full tilt dealy is in here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/inter...-cheats-898155/Also, I see all sorts of poker services in your links, but 0 SMS services. You have to understand there is a world away from internet poker, and I'm seeing 3 trends right now that point to this being a great market to jump into1) Live poker is jumping up all around the US. Lots more players are getting interested.2) Premium SMS isn't fully saturated but ready to explode.3) Most "cutting edge" developers are doing what they always do, and that's jump on the bandwagon and hope to make tail end bucks. They're all stuck making Facebook, iPhone, and Blackberry specific apps at the momentMarketing towards online nerds would fail very very hard. However, most brick and mortar players are also the type who do not frequent the internet. The mass of degen noobies you are targeting are also unlikely to a) have smart phones and b) if they do, use them to their full potentialOh, and one more pro about it. Overhead is effectively nil, for me right now it's literally zero, and it only becomes an issue once you need increased bandwidth... but you'll only need that when you have a large paying userbase.My time and effort right now has been launching a text service geared towards AA and NA members. It's up and running in beta right now. Service functions fine. Don't have the 5 grand for a short code number, but the short code only really helps with the initial call as most people save numbers to their phone. However, this project is so easily expandable to other realms I'm very willing to work with others and provide them an easy way to get such apps up and running
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