New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[CobaltBlue 662]

I tried my first root beer here but I got lost on the end. Villain is something like a 4/4 over less than 50 hands. Should I have just bet out the river for value? We bet weak to keep hands in but there aren't many hands we beat here other than QQ and maybe KQ.Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersHJ: $14.80 CO: $11.01 Button: $29.64 SB: $24.58 (Hero)BB: $46.91 UTG: $25.00 UTG+1: $34.78 MP: $37.47 MP2: $30.20 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with (9 players)3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, MP2 calls $1.75Flop: ($5.25) (2 players)Hero bets $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50Turn: ($8.25) (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, MP2 calls $2.25River: ($12.75) (2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets $7

I'm quite comfortable with how you played it. Personally, I probably would've been tempted to up my bet on the turn in this one, but betting small again is fine. On the river, I don't think you can really go wrong with small or medium b/f or c/c.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I think root beering can be important/good but it def has to be understood at a high level (something I can't claim before anyone thinks I'm on a high horse here) for it to be successful in relation to the rest of your poker game. I think both of these spots are pretty sexy to rootbeer. I just think that you rootbeer too often (not that I've sweated you or can claim to know, obv more of your hands you post are going to be rootbeer type hands because it creates unknown spots) and it can definitely kill your value/lead you to being forced to make silly rebluffs in spots where you might be ahead. Like on that second hand with 44 instead of 77 and you get raised you're probably 3 betting a lot right? I think you have to be somewhat "balanced". So I think you'll find that although it works quite well at 100nl rush it's going to be really tough to pull off against 400nl regs on a consistent basis for example

I can't actually recall too many spots lately where I've had to jam over a flop raise. I've been getting the folds or just taking my cheap shots and folding for the most part.In the case of 44 on that board...I guess I might 3bet there some...not necessarily "a lot" though. I think I'd just fold a decent portion too. 77 is a little tricky in that I still have some okay value and I've easily induced. Oh...I did get rocked pretty hard today for a stack when I root-beered A4s on a 538 board and ran into a peeling AK on an ace turn. =( Honestly, I probably took a terrible line on the turn. I could've easily saved my stack if I'd continued my small bet.

[SuperJon 175]

Villain was 57/23 once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersBB: $57.65 (Hero)UTG: $43.30 UTG+1: $50.75 CO: $135.70 Button: $62.45 SB: $54.45 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (6 players)4 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50Flop: ($4.00) (2 players)SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50Turn: ($9.00) (2 players)SB bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50River: ($22.00) (2 players)SB bets $12.50, Hero raises to $46.65 and is all-in, SB calls $30.95 and is all-inHero showed , and won ($105.90) with a flush, King highSB showed , and lost with a pair of KingsHero won $105.90(Rake: $3)

[KingJames 11]

Run gooooooooooooooot!!!!!! Villain was 80/0/4.5 over the first 20 hands Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersButton: $19.40 SB: $50.00 BB: $50.00 UTG: $50.50 (Hero)UTG+1: $50.00 CO: $30.45 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with (6 players)Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Button calls $1.50, 2 foldsFlop: ($3.75) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero raises to $22, Button calls $13.90Turn: ($39.55) (2 players)River: ($39.55) (2 players)Button showed , and lost with a pair of QueensHero showed , and won ($37.60) with a straight, Ace highHero won $37.60(Rake: $1.95)

[droberts 3]

september was a bit of a struggle for me..total for the month was -$100.really great considering i was down -$900 at one point. hope to turn it around in october.congrats to all who won mobnies and gogogogogo KJ bring on 50NL.. woot woot

[droberts 3]

very first hand of the match vs this guy.. obv thought he was a fish cuz of his buyin amount.thought about folding the river, but had notes that he was overly aggressive on river. someone once mentioned about peoples river aggression factor.TY James <3 buddy.v1.24once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersButton dijima: $18.40 BB Hero: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with : : (2 players)dijima raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50Flop: ($2.00) : : : (2 players)Hero checks, dijima bets $1, Hero calls $1Turn: ($4.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, dijima bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50River: ($11.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, dijima bets $12.50, Hero calls $12.50dijima showed : :, and lost with high card QueenHero showed : :, and won ($35.50) with a pair of NinesHero won $35.50(Rake: $0.50)oh and HOF he left himself 40 cents after his river bet..imma fish for not minraising.

[KingJames 11]

hero calls itt

[droberts 3]

lol fish are weird. i had A2hh a few hands earlier. flop Aj5dd, i cbet and he called turn Qs and he over bet pot. so i was like wtf and folded. then he random jammed a few flops. dont know how i held on this one v1.24Milked from the teat of a feral cowPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersBB Roonpiece: $32.75 Button Hero: $51.80 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with : : (2 players)Hero raises to $1.50, Roonpiece calls $1Flop: ($3.00) : : : (2 players)Roonpiece checks, Hero bets $2, Roonpiece raises to $31.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $29.25Turn: ($65.50) : (2 players)River: ($65.50) : (2 players)Roonpiece showed : :, and lost with a pair of DeucesHero showed : :, and won ($65) with a pair of JacksHero won $65(Rake: $0.50)

[donk4life 34]

Why are you playing 50 bb tables at HU? And if you are, you should not be playing j9 oop.

[droberts 3]

Why are you playing 50 bb tables at HU? And if you are, you should not be playing j9 oop.

im not playing 50bb tables HU.. they do not exist.im sitting with $25 to get the fish to sit.. most of the time they are scared to sit with the full stacks.. so i scoop up and crush all the scared ones. if u arent playing J9 to a minraise from a fish, what are u playing?EDIT: 50bb hu tables do exist. just not at 50nl hu.

[fighter 4]

very first hand of the match vs this guy.. obv thought he was a fish cuz of his buyin amount.thought about folding the river, but had notes that he was overly aggressive on river. someone once mentioned about peoples river aggression factor.TY James <3 buddy.v1.24once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersButton dijima: $18.40 BB Hero: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with : : (2 players)dijima raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50Flop: ($2.00) : : : (2 players)Hero checks, dijima bets $1, Hero calls $1Turn: ($4.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, dijima bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50River: ($11.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, dijima bets $12.50, Hero calls $12.50dijima showed : :, and lost with high card QueenHero showed : :, and won ($35.50) with a pair of NinesHero won $35.50(Rake: $0.50)oh and HOF he left himself 40 cents after his river bet..imma fish for not minraising.

wait you thought of folding ? I don't think I would first hand.

Why are you playing 50 bb tables at HU? And if you are, you should not be playing j9 oop.

Fold?, He could shove pf and almost be GTO.

im not playing 50bb tables HU.. they do not exist.im sitting with $25 to get the fish to sit.. most of the time they are scared to sit with the full stacks.. so i scoop up and crush all the scared ones. if u arent playing J9 to a minraise from a fish, what are u playing?EDIT: 50bb hu tables do exist. just not at 50nl hu.

I have no idea if this is true or not. Seems to attract regs though. w/e action is action and playing HU can't be that fussy.

[donk4life 34]

There's just going to be many better situations that arise, and you can get yourself into really shitty spots when you're calling with marginal hands against short stacks OOP. Players, especially players who are playing with their entire bankroll play horribly OOP and you can just exploit them more profitability there. I mean I don't know if it's necessarily bad, but I don't have a very wide calling range OOP against short stacks.

[KingJames 11]

Players, especially players who are playing with their entire bankroll play horribly OOP and you can just exploit them more profitability there.

obv this is villain dependent, but do you find they play horrible more by being weak-tight or just calling/gambling too much./horrible, vague hu question

[BellaireDrew 2]

There's just going to be many better situations that arise, and you can get yourself into really shitty spots when you're calling with marginal hands against short stacks OOP. Players, especially players who are playing with their entire bankroll play horribly OOP and you can just exploit them more profitability there. I mean I don't know if it's necessarily bad, but I don't have a very wide calling range OOP against short stacks.

good advice ITT

[droberts 3]

There's just going to be many better situations that arise, and you can get yourself into really shitty spots when you're calling with marginal hands against short stacks OOP. Players, especially players who are playing with their entire bankroll play horribly OOP and you can just exploit them more profitability there. I mean I don't know if it's necessarily bad, but I don't have a very wide calling range OOP against short stacks.

this post is much better than the other one imo.. ty for the advice.. i still struggle a lot in certain spots HU.

[KingJames 11]

Sigh at losing, [ ] unbeatable hand :(Just started this table and villainis 55/0/2 over the first 9 hands, is it okay to bet/call river?Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 3 playersSB dominikkk3: $18.70 BB Hero: $50.00 Button AndersRG: $52.60 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (3 players)AndersRG calls $0.50, dominikkk3 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2.25, AndersRG calls $1.75, dominikkk3 foldsFlop: ($5.00) (2 players)Hero bets $3, AndersRG calls $3Turn: ($11.00) (2 players)Hero bets $6.50, AndersRG calls $6.50River: ($24.00) (2 players)Hero bets $16, AndersRG raises to $40.85, and is all in, Hero calls $22.25, and is all inHero mucked AndersRG showed , and won ($99.50) with a flush, Ace highAndersRG won $99.50(Rake: $1)

[donk4life 34]

Hero calls ITTv1.24Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $2/$4 - 9 playersBB Hero: $597.20 UTG Mr Blonde383: $386.50 UTG+1 heartsslayer2: $166.00 MP Boba Fett 48: $160.00 MP2 eEYEeEYEo: $400.00 HJ ArtieRufio31: $400.00 CO HereFat: $504.90 Button ALLINos: $258.10 SB speedas: $488.30 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with : : (9 players)5 folds, HereFat raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $44, HereFat calls $32Flop: ($90.00) : : : (2 players)Hero bets $69, HereFat calls $69Turn: ($228.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $175, HereFat calls $175River: ($578.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $309.20, and is all in, HereFat calls $216.90, and is all inHero showed : :, and won ($1,008.80) with a pair of JacksHereFat mucked : :Hero won $1,008.80(Rake: $3)I ran 2k under ev today, but this got me in the positive!v1.24beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $2/$4 - 9 playersSB sportbeads: $348.50 BB mr_hedgehog: $395.20 UTG mtlone: $689.50 UTG+1 Lasso-lasso: $195.50 MP IMRAZIN: $406.00 MP2 wheatrich: $443.00 HJ twomountains: $614.00 CO NoNameNumber3: $414.60 Button Hero: $2,359.45 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is Button with : : (9 players)mtlone raises to $12, 2 folds, wheatrich calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $12, 2 foldsFlop: ($42.00) : : : (3 players)mtlone bets $12, wheatrich calls $12, Hero raises to $60, mtlone calls $48, wheatrich foldsTurn: ($174.00) : (2 players)mtlone checks, Hero bets $144, mtlone calls $144River: ($462.00) : (2 players)mtlone checks, Hero bets $2,143.45, and is all in, mtlone calls $473.50, and is all inmtlone mucked : :Hero showed : :, and won ($1,406) with a flush, Ace highHero won $1,406(Rake: $3)bink

[donk4life 34]

obv this is villain dependent, but do you find they play horrible more by being weak-tight or just calling/gambling too much./horrible, vague hu question

Usually it's villain dependent, but from my experience at 50 most of the bad players are incredibly weak-tight. The majority of your winnings are going to come from non-showdown.Positive red-line!

[droberts 3]

Usually it's villain dependent, but from my experience at 50 most of the bad players are incredibly weak-tight. The majority of your winnings are going to come from non-showdown.Positive red-line!

i dont think im aggressive enough to have a positive red line.. and thats even worse cuz i play HU.

[donk4life 34]

i dont think im aggressive enough to have a positive red line.. and thats even worse cuz i play HU.

Well what do you mean by aggressive? Whats your cbet% on the flop, turn, and river? What c/r flop% do you have?

[KingJames 11]

Nice 400nl hands, Ian!!!!

[MaxStPolish 4]

Hero calls ITTv1.24Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $2/$4 - 9 playersBB Hero: $597.20 UTG Mr Blonde383: $386.50 UTG+1 heartsslayer2: $166.00 MP Boba Fett 48: $160.00 MP2 eEYEeEYEo: $400.00 HJ ArtieRufio31: $400.00 CO HereFat: $504.90 Button ALLINos: $258.10 SB speedas: $488.30 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with : : (9 players)5 folds, HereFat raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $44, HereFat calls $32Flop: ($90.00) : : : (2 players)Hero bets $69, HereFat calls $69Turn: ($228.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $175, HereFat calls $175River: ($578.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $309.20, and is all in, HereFat calls $216.90, and is all inHero showed : :, and won ($1,008.80) with a pair of JacksHereFat mucked : :Hero won $1,008.80(Rake: $3)I ran 2k under ev today, but this got me in the positive!v1.24beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $2/$4 - 9 playersSB sportbeads: $348.50 BB mr_hedgehog: $395.20 UTG mtlone: $689.50 UTG+1 Lasso-lasso: $195.50 MP IMRAZIN: $406.00 MP2 wheatrich: $443.00 HJ twomountains: $614.00 CO NoNameNumber3: $414.60 Button Hero: $2,359.45 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is Button with : : (9 players)mtlone raises to $12, 2 folds, wheatrich calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $12, 2 foldsFlop: ($42.00) : : : (3 players)mtlone bets $12, wheatrich calls $12, Hero raises to $60, mtlone calls $48, wheatrich foldsTurn: ($174.00) : (2 players)mtlone checks, Hero bets $144, mtlone calls $144River: ($462.00) : (2 players)mtlone checks, Hero bets $2,143.45, and is all in, mtlone calls $473.50, and is all inmtlone mucked : :Hero showed : :, and won ($1,406) with a flush, Ace highHero won $1,406(Rake: $3)bink

[MaxStPolish 4]

Hero calls ITTv1.24Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $2/$4 - 9 playersBB Hero: $597.20 UTG Mr Blonde383: $386.50 UTG+1 heartsslayer2: $166.00 MP Boba Fett 48: $160.00 MP2 eEYEeEYEo: $400.00 HJ ArtieRufio31: $400.00 CO HereFat: $504.90 Button ALLINos: $258.10 SB speedas: $488.30 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with : : (9 players)5 folds, HereFat raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $44, HereFat calls $32Flop: ($90.00) : : : (2 players)Hero bets $69, HereFat calls $69Turn: ($228.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $175, HereFat calls $175River: ($578.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $309.20, and is all in, HereFat calls $216.90, and is all inHero showed : :, and won ($1,008.80) with a pair of JacksHereFat mucked : :Hero won $1,008.80(Rake: $3)I ran 2k under ev today, but this got me in the positive!v1.24beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $2/$4 - 9 playersSB sportbeads: $348.50 BB mr_hedgehog: $395.20 UTG mtlone: $689.50 UTG+1 Lasso-lasso: $195.50 MP IMRAZIN: $406.00 MP2 wheatrich: $443.00 HJ twomountains: $614.00 CO NoNameNumber3: $414.60 Button Hero: $2,359.45 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is Button with : : (9 players)mtlone raises to $12, 2 folds, wheatrich calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $12, 2 foldsFlop: ($42.00) : : : (3 players)mtlone bets $12, wheatrich calls $12, Hero raises to $60, mtlone calls $48, wheatrich foldsTurn: ($174.00) : (2 players)mtlone checks, Hero bets $144, mtlone calls $144River: ($462.00) : (2 players)mtlone checks, Hero bets $2,143.45, and is all in, mtlone calls $473.50, and is all inmtlone mucked : :Hero showed : :, and won ($1,406) with a flush, Ace highHero won $1,406(Rake: $3)bink

Can we role reverse here for a sec. I'm pretty sure this guy's pre/post flop and turn line is pretty standard. Can he get away from this hand on the river. Hero sets him up with bet sizing nicely for a PSB effective stack shove on the river. Hero's line exudes the flush here though. I suppose one could mistake the post-flop aggression for something lesser of a value/semi bluff like perhaps a top or middle/pocket pair with the heart. But all those hands are going to check down on the river IMO. Just curious, as I found this hand to pose an interesting question from a role reversal standpoint. It's tough to lay aces down when a set is made....I just wanted to hear from the solid players if this is a situation that could/should warrant a laydown here.

[KingJames 11]

Can we role reverse here for a sec. I'm pretty sure this guy's pre/post flop and turn line is pretty standard. Can he get away from this hand on the river. Hero sets him up with bet sizing nicely for a PSB effective stack shove on the river. Hero's line exudes the flush here though. I suppose one could mistake the post-flop aggression for something lesser of a value/semi bluff like perhaps a top or middle/pocket pair with the heart. But all those hands are going to check down on the river IMO. Just curious, as I found this hand to pose an interesting question from a role reversal standpoint. It's tough to lay aces down when a set is made....I just wanted to hear from the solid players if this is a situation that could/should warrant a laydown here.

I don't think he should fold top set. I dunno how aggro mr.donk is but I would imagine, especially at 400nl there are a lot of semi-bluffs that ppl will raise on the flop like KhQx etc.I do think if I had AA I would get it in on the flop, but maybe for these higher stakes guys they are trying to balance a bit more.++++++And villain is 42/12/6 over 50 hands. Bluffy, so I gave him rope...Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersSB: $65.10 BB: $45.75 UTG: $50.00 (Hero)UTG+1: $19.75 CO: $38.25 Button: $110.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with (6 players)Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 foldsFlop: ($3.75) (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2Turn: ($7.75) (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4River: ($15.75) (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $8.75, Hero calls $8.75Hero showed , and won ($31.60) with a pair of TensCO showed , and lost with King Queen highHero won $31.60(Rake: $1.65)

[fighter 4]

I don't think he should fold top set. I dunno how aggro mr.donk is but I would imagine, especially at 400nl there are a lot of semi-bluffs that ppl will raise on the flop like KhQx etc.I do think if I had AA I would get it in on the flop, but maybe for these higher stakes guys they are trying to balance a bit more.++++++And villain is 42/12/6 over 50 hands. Bluffy, so I gave him rope...Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersSB: $65.10 BB: $45.75 UTG: $50.00 (Hero)UTG+1: $19.75 CO: $38.25 Button: $110.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with (6 players)Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 foldsFlop: ($3.75) (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2Turn: ($7.75) (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero calls $4River: ($15.75) (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $8.75, Hero calls $8.75Hero showed , and won ($31.60) with a pair of TensCO showed , and lost with King Queen highHero won $31.60(Rake: $1.65)

I would bet flop. ALOt of hands will float you on that dry of a flop and there is alot of overs that you don't want to give a free card to. If you were to bet flop, I wouldn't mind checking turn to give floats the chance to bluff and to pot control.