New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[KosinTrouble 0]

Is there something going around that says that you must donkbet pot into the PFR and then call a raise? And then donkbet pot again on the turn? Cause it's really feeling like that's happening 80% of the time someone calls my pre-flop raise OOP tonight.

YES!!! I have noticed almost the exact same thing of late!

[CobaltBlue 662]

YES!!! I have noticed almost the exact same thing of late!

I guess that it's not bad when you actually make a hand (though that's really hard to do sometimes)...Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersUTG+1: $54.20 MP: $91.05 (Hero)MP2: $51.85 HJ: $126.45 CO: $20.20 Button: $24.00 SB: $56.65 BB: $52.95 UTG: $107.90 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75Flop: ($5.25) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $2, Hero calls $2Turn: ($9.25) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $9.25, Hero calls $9.25River: ($27.75) (2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls $5UTG+1 mucked :3hHero showed , and won ($35.90) with a full house, Sixes full of AcesHero won $35.90(Rake: $1.85) Zeebo

[XXEddie 0]

Is there something going around that says that you must donkbet pot into the PFR and then call a raise? And then donkbet pot again on the turn? Cause it's really feeling like that's happening 80% of the time someone calls my pre-flop raise OOP tonight.

Heh. Is it that time of the month?Not a stab at you Cobalt. I just feel like I don't see this play that much except like every ****ing time for a 3-5 day period.

[dlingdling 0]

I'm a bit of a nit, but I think I'd raise 87s from the hijack most of the time. I could be dissuaded from doing so given certain players/stacks/dynamics.And, Nashtak, if you're calling baseball not a real sport, those are fighting words. :)Is there something going around that says that you must donkbet pot into the PFR and then call a raise? And then donkbet pot again on the turn? Cause it's really feeling like that's happening 80% of the time someone calls my pre-flop raise OOP tonight.

[x] raises 87s utg+1[x] is a nit

[babylondonks 5]

I guess that it's not bad when you actually make a hand (though that's really hard to do sometimes)...Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersUTG+1: $54.20 MP: $91.05 (Hero)MP2: $51.85 HJ: $126.45 CO: $20.20 Button: $24.00 SB: $56.65 BB: $52.95 UTG: $107.90 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75Flop: ($5.25) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $2, Hero calls $2Turn: ($9.25) (2 players)UTG+1 bets $9.25, Hero calls $9.25River: ($27.75) (2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, UTG+1 calls $5UTG+1 mucked :3hHero showed , and won ($35.90) with a full house, Sixes full of AcesHero won $35.90(Rake: $1.85) Zeebo

I'm sure you have a busted fd 1/5 of the time!

[KosinTrouble 0]

[x] raises 87s utg+1[x] is a nit

damn, thanks to your name, now I have that damn song in my head. I got a bad feeling its going to be there all night long...

[Nashtak 0]

CakePoker looks pretty solid.

[KingJames 11]

87s utg+1 in 6max games for the last year:I play it half the time and I lose monies.Would love to see other ppls tbh, perhaps larger samples

[CobaltBlue 662]

I just feel like I don't see this play that much except like every ****ing time for a 3-5 day period.

It's honestly such a helpless feeling when it's happening and you're not making hands. Basically, you lose the "skill" part of the game...at least in winning pots. I guess there's something to be said for minimizing your losses.It's just so spotty on who min-donk/calls, min-donk/calls, min-donk/calls or folds on the end. I guess I've also gotten a little fed up with being min-raised by someone with position lately...so I've been going back over the top with some decent success.

[KingJames 11]

First hand of an omaha match, sigh. I dunno what hands to defend in my bb... obv 3b for value if I knew his opening range was so wideConverting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt Pot Limit Omaha $0.02/$0.05 - 2 playersButton steveo432: $5.00 BB Hero: $4.00 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with (2 players)steveo432 raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10Flop: ($0.30) (2 players)Hero checks, steveo432 bets $0.24, Hero raises to $0.95, steveo432 raises to $3.15, Hero raises to $3.85, and is all in, steveo432 calls $0.70Turn: ($8.00) (2 players)River: ($8.00) (2 players)steveo432 showed , and won ($7.50) with three of a kind, FoursHero showed , and lost with two pair, Queens and Tenssteveo432 won $7.50(Rake: $0.50)

[XXEddie 0]

It's honestly such a helpless feeling when it's happening and you're not making hands. Basically, you lose the "skill" part of the game...at least in winning pots. I guess there's something to be said for minimizing your losses.It's just so spotty on who min-donk/calls, min-donk/calls, min-donk/calls or folds on the end. I guess I've also gotten a little fed up with being min-raised by someone with position lately...so I've been going back over the top with some decent success.

Yeah. To me though it's just like any donk who keeps making hands against you. Be patient and eventually they'll continue to donk/call and you can get 3 streets of value with as little as TP ok kicker.

[SuperJon 175]

87s utg+1 in 6max games for the last year:I play it half the time and I lose monies.Would love to see other ppls tbh, perhaps larger samples

I have very similar stats.I agree that at these stakes, it should be a fold the majority of the time, and that's only because the rake is so bad that we should just have a tight range from UTG and UTG+1As you move up, I'm sure it's good to have these hands in your range for balancing, but it's probably not too important at 25NL.

[KosinTrouble 0]

I have very similar stats.I agree that at these stakes, it should be a fold the majority of the time, and that's only because the rake is so bad that we should just have a tight range from UTG and UTG+1As you move up, I'm sure it's good to have these hands in your range for balancing, but it's probably not too important at 25NL.

I agree, I tihnk its more important at 25NL that you look at who is left to act behind you. If you are HJ and CO/BTN are nits, then I open almost any 2 cards when I am HJ, CO, BTN.

[KosinTrouble 0]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[SuperJon 175]

I tihnk its more important at 25NL that you look at who is left to act behind you.

I believe this should be important at all limits.

[KosinTrouble 0]

I believe this should be important at all limits.

I got your video too btw, try to watch it tonight and make some notes. What tracking software are you using? PT3?

[fighter 4]

I raise 87s utg in 6max close to 100%. I also appear to be losing a lot of money doing this over a 40 hand sample. I am going to keep doing it though as I won't be able to know for sure if it is losing unless I have a proper sample size. <<<<<<<<<stubborn<<<<<<<<<<<

[CobaltBlue 662]

I can't quite figure out how to filter for specifically the hijack in HEM, but I've had 87s in MP not facing a raise (but possibly limpers) 88 times this year. I've raised it 46 times. I'm showing a profit. In the context of my entire database, I've had that situation (MP not facing a raise but possibly limpers) 396 times. I've raised it 241 of those times and am showing a winrate of 76bb/100 when I've raised.

[DiamondDixie 12]

YES!!! I have noticed almost the exact same thing of late!

Hell yeah the donk betting thing is happening to me a lot at 50NL. Love it when I actually have a hand but it kind of sucks when I don't. Dumb thing about it, if the morons are running a HUD I'm sure I have a pretty high c-bet % and they either lose money if I don't have a hand or lose money if I do when I re-raise them and they usually fold.

CakePoker looks pretty solid.

I'm not a fan of Cake, it's pretty much a ghost town since PlayersOnly, Sportsbook and Doyle's Room left. I play a tiny bit on Carbon on the Merge network, which is where PlayersOnly and Sportsbook moved, and they pay 35% rakeback, have lots of good promos and a very soft field and decent cash game volume. Overall though I prefer Stars or FTP.

[droberts 3]

Is there something going around that says that you must donkbet pot into the PFR and then call a raise? And then donkbet pot again on the turn? Cause it's really feeling like that's happening 80% of the time someone calls my pre-flop raise OOP tonight.

just make the nuts, imo.v1.27This converter is going to be a cash cow...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG bored420: $19.20 UTG+1 wirbeide: $7.90 CO Hero: $48.54 Button Krabulator: $53.96 SB Quomodocunquize: $98.15 BB Crawddy101: $32.11 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with : : (6 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Crawddy101 calls $0.60Flop: ($1.80) : : : (2 players)Crawddy101 bets $1, Hero raises to $3.25, Crawddy101 calls $2.25Turn: ($8.30) : (2 players)Crawddy101 bets $1, Hero calls $1River: ($10.30) : (2 players)Crawddy101 bets $1, Hero raises to $43.44, and is all in, Crawddy101 calls $26.01, and is all inHero showed : :, and won ($61.32) with a straight, Ace highCrawddy101 mucked : :Hero won $61.32(Rake: $3)

[meservery 0]

87s utg+1 in 6max games for the last year:I play it half the time and I lose monies.Would love to see other ppls tbh, perhaps larger samples

Dont have a ton of volume but here is lifetime.I know one thing, 87s >>> 87oThis is just this year.EDIT: Crap. This is from all positions.

[meservery 0]

First hand of an omaha match, sigh. I dunno what hands to defend in my bb... obv 3b for value if I knew his opening range was so wideConverting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt Pot Limit Omaha $0.02/$0.05 - 2 playersButton steveo432: $5.00 BB Hero: $4.00 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with (2 players)steveo432 raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10Flop: ($0.30) (2 players)Hero checks, steveo432 bets $0.24, Hero raises to $0.95, steveo432 raises to $3.15, Hero raises to $3.85, and is all in, steveo432 calls $0.70Turn: ($8.00) (2 players)River: ($8.00) (2 players)steveo432 showed , and won ($7.50) with three of a kind, FoursHero showed , and lost with two pair, Queens and Tenssteveo432 won $7.50(Rake: $0.50)

Yeah. I think 3 bet pre with that type of double suited hand actually no matter the opponent, situation, moon phase, etc... (i am lousy at heads up tho)**Wondering if this is ever profitable. I do shit like this all the time in plol.beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars Pot Limit Omaha $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersSB: $21.92 BB: $25.00 UTG: $57.83 (Hero)CO: $25.00 Button: $10.25 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with (5 players)Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button raises to $2.90, SB calls $2.80, BB folds, Hero raises to $11.85,

[fighter 4]

Yeah. I think 3 bet pre with that type of double suited hand actually no matter the opponent, situation, moon phase, etc... (i am lousy at heads up tho)**Wondering if this is ever profitable. I do shit like this all the time in plol.beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars Pot Limit Omaha $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersSB: $21.92 BB: $25.00 UTG: $57.83 (Hero)CO: $25.00 Button: $10.25 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with (5 players)Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button raises to $2.90, SB calls $2.80, BB folds, Hero raises to $11.85,

Fold first time, fold second time. That is a hand that NLHE players think is pretty but has got so many holes in it that it could double for an episode of lost. Your flush draws are to the second nuts and third nuts. Out of the 6 possible combos in your hand, only KQ and 46 are playable. So you can never make any kind of wrap draws. You are also OOP to half the table. Then you get 3bet by a short stack at 25 PLO which is AA 97% of the time (the other 3% it is AAKK)

[SuperJon 175]

I got your video too btw, try to watch it tonight and make some notes. What tracking software are you using? PT3?

Yeah, PT3

[nutzzcase 0]

Yeah. I think 3 bet pre with that type of double suited hand actually no matter the opponent, situation, moon phase, etc... (i am lousy at heads up tho)**Wondering if this is ever profitable. I do shit like this all the time in plol.beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars Pot Limit Omaha $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersSB: $21.92 BB: $25.00 UTG: $57.83 (Hero)CO: $25.00 Button: $10.25 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with (5 players)Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button raises to $2.90, SB calls $2.80, BB folds, Hero raises to $11.85,

I think 4-betting this hand oop is spewy. In general, I'm either folding or 3betting this hand. You want has few people has possible to avoid running into bigger flushes and have a decent post-flop equity. Since you don't have the option to 3bet and isolate, you should fold.EDIT: well you could limp/3bet