fighter 4 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 BB is a reg, has some obvious leaks but is overall tight 23/15/1.3 over 213 hands CO is 24/21/ 23 over 257, he is very agro when he is the preflop raiser but doesn't like being played back at. BTN is fish. Not a massive fishI have been a retard for the session, running at 44/33 type. Pretty much what I was doing in the FCP reg game only they were laying back and taking it. The BB and CO have seen me play as tight as 20/16 in previous sessions though so they should know I have gears. I played this hand with the exact same villains (fish was sitting out , CO is BTN) on this table about 4 or 5 rotations earlier. Converted by a herd of feral cowsHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 5 playersButton: $54.20 SB: $54.00 (Hero)BB: $170.20 UTG: $71.12 CO: $51.19 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with (5 players)UTG folds, Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $4.50, Button calls $3.50Flop: ($15.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksTurn: ($15.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksRiver: ($15.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksButton showed , BB showed , Button won $14.25So this hand. What is my best plan of action on the flop and what do you think as played?Converting hands till the cows come homeHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $68.56 Button: $22.28 SB: $56.83 (Hero)BB: $158.77 UTG: $64.69 UTG+1: $52.97 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00Flop: ($6.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, BB raises to $18.00, 2 folds, Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 SB is 18/14once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersMP2: $27.14 HJ: $25.52 CO: $25.25 Button: $25.00 (Hero)SB: $27.43 BB: $27.02 UTG: $12.55 UTG+1: $25.00 MP: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (9 players)3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB foldsFlop: ($2.50) (3 players)SB checks, MP2 bets $1.42, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $4.50, MP2 foldsTurn: ($12.92) (2 players)SB bets $6.75, hero...........well he cant have AA,99, KJ, J8. So We only lose to TT. He could have AT or T9. If he does have T9 chances are he is only playing it suited so that leaves only Td9d. Same goes with AdTd, AhTh. He could also have AQ. I don't know how likely that is though but it is definitely a possibility and playing it this way wouldn't be the weirdest thing I have ever seen.Not wanting to 3bet the flop because it looks super strong, but not wanting a J or K to peel on the river when you check turn. With all this in mind, it does look more likely to be a fold then a call. However it does seem close and as such I lean on the side that doesn't involve us folding a set since everyone does something stupid every so often. Now do we call or shove, I think this player is the type that might hero fold some of the time, that mixed with him very rarely having a K or J, I would just call the turn and call river. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 BB is a reg, has some obvious leaks but is overall tight 23/15/1.3 over 213 hands CO is 24/21/ 23 over 257, he is very agro when he is the preflop raiser but doesn't like being played back at. BTN is fish. Not a massive fishI have been a retard for the session, running at 44/33 type. Pretty much what I was doing in the FCP reg game only they were laying back and taking it. The BB and CO have seen me play as tight as 20/16 in previous sessions though so they should know I have gears. I played this hand with the exact same villains (fish was sitting out , CO is BTN) on this table about 4 or 5 rotations earlier. Converted by a herd of feral cowsHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 5 playersButton: $54.20 SB: $54.00 (Hero)BB: $170.20 UTG: $71.12 CO: $51.19 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with (5 players)UTG folds, Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $4.50, Button calls $3.50Flop: ($15.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksTurn: ($15.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksRiver: ($15.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksButton showed , BB showed , Button won $14.25So this hand. What is my best plan of action on the flop and what do you think as played?Converting hands till the cows come homeHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $68.56 Button: $22.28 SB: $56.83 (Hero)BB: $158.77 UTG: $64.69 UTG+1: $52.97 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00Flop: ($6.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, BB raises to $18.00, 2 folds,grosslooks like a fold tho. when there's a lot of action multiway, on a board like that, I don't think it really matters how you were playing. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 @KTs - In game vs a fish I'm just getting it in I presume. bink vs AJ and KQ like whoa. I think there are enough pair+draws but I dunno Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 this hand here may have caused a little tilt.v1.24Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 playersMP2 blany1986: $0.87 HJ cncrouterguy: $10.78 CO weissj612: $17.22 Button RomanTime: $3.80 SB Hero: $10.63 BB viola9020: $21.41 UTG IOsarracino: $20.00 UTG+1 PokahTisa: $11.95 MP Linzexu: $13.20 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with : : (9 players)4 folds, cncrouterguy raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, viola9020 folds, cncrouterguy calls $1.50Flop: ($4.10) : : : (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, cncrouterguy calls $2.25Turn: ($8.60) : (2 players)Hero bets $6.38, and is all in, cncrouterguy calls $6.38River: ($21.36) : (2 players)cncrouterguy showed : :, and won ($19.94) with a straight, Ace highHero showed : :, and lost with three of a kind, Kingscncrouterguy won $19.94(Rake: $1.42) Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 this hand here may have relieved the tilt.v1.24Moooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersBB Van Dolar: $37.05 UTG ferrarif460: $12.64 UTG+1 Hero: $13.60 CO katmando_06: $2.19 Button Architectman: $5.97 SB lokeneo: $10.27 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with : : (6 players)ferrarif460 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, lokeneo raises to $1.55, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.10Flop: ($3.30) : : : (2 players)lokeneo bets $2.80, Hero raises to $5.60, lokeneo calls $2.80Turn: ($14.50) : (2 players)lokeneo checks, Hero bets $6.45, and is all in, lokeneo calls $3.12, and is all inRiver: ($20.74) : (2 players)Hero showed : :, and won ($19.36) with a full house, Jacks full of Tenslokeneo showed : :, and lost with a pair of TensHero won $19.36(Rake: $1.38) Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 this hand here may have caused a little tilt.v1.24Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 playersMP2 blany1986: $0.87 HJ cncrouterguy: $10.78 CO weissj612: $17.22 Button RomanTime: $3.80 SB Hero: $10.63 BB viola9020: $21.41 UTG IOsarracino: $20.00 UTG+1 PokahTisa: $11.95 MP Linzexu: $13.20 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with : : (9 players)4 folds, cncrouterguy raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, viola9020 folds, cncrouterguy calls $1.50Flop: ($4.10) : : : (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, cncrouterguy calls $2.25Turn: ($8.60) : (2 players)Hero bets $6.38, and is all in, cncrouterguy calls $6.38River: ($21.36) : (2 players)cncrouterguy showed : :, and won ($19.94) with a straight, Ace highHero showed : :, and lost with three of a kind, Kingscncrouterguy won $19.94(Rake: $1.42)i seem to be having a leak with my betsizing here recently.. i am missing out on tons of value and for instance in this hand.. i need to be cbetting this board wayyyy bigger. Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 HEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $68.56 Button: $22.28 SB: $56.83 (Hero)BB: $158.77 UTG: $64.69 UTG+1: $52.97 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00Flop: ($6.00) (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, BB raises to $18.00, 2 folds,I'd fold here and not even really think twice about it. When he check raises over a bet and your check raise i think you can easily assume you are crushed here and if for some weird reason he ever did this with worse (which I think will happen almost never) then good for him.Also I am way more inclined to donk or c/c on the flop over c/ringi seem to be having a leak with my betsizing here recently.. i am missing out on tons of value and for instance in this hand.. i need to be cbetting this board wayyyy bigger.I disagree, I think your flop cbet is ok and if you are to go bigger i woudnt go too much bigger, Maybe 2 or 3bbs more max Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I disagree, I think your flop cbet is ok and if you are to go bigger i woudnt go too much bigger, Maybe 2 or 3bbs more maxWhat about making about 3.50? Is that too big? With possible straight and flush draws out there. Wouldnt it be a bit better to charge them a price that makes it wrong for them to call. I realize you dont want to make it too big so you dont chase them out, but at the same time, you dont want to make it too low so its the "right price" for them to call. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'd fold here and not even really think twice about it. When he check raises over a bet and your check raise i think you can easily assume you are crushed here and if for some weird reason he ever did this with worse (which I think will happen almost never) then good for him.Also I am way more inclined to donk or c/c on the flop over c/ringI disagree, I think your flop cbet is ok and if you are to go bigger i woudnt go too much bigger, Maybe 2 or 3bbs more maxahhhh the early morning haze had me reading the HH wrong...fold is prob right Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 ahhhh the early morning haze had me reading the HH wrong...fold is prob rightIf you were not up all night dinking and hitting bongs and dreaming of sad panda... Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 excellent pointbig day today, operation 4.whoa needs some work done Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 You gonna get the funny bone or the fish!? Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 What about making about 3.50? Is that too big? With possible straight and flush draws out there. Wouldnt it be a bit better to charge them a price that makes it wrong for them to call. I realize you dont want to make it too big so you dont chase them out, but at the same time, you dont want to make it too low so its the "right price" for them to call.Using an exploitable bet sizing vs bad players is fine, so yeah betting that big would be ok in this spot i suppose. Betting just over half pot will still be giving villain a bad price on a draw here tho, but my math part of the game is not great so i could be wrong.The main reason I don't like betting bigger is what sizing are you using with your whole range? I just tend to bet just over half pot on wet boards with my cbetting range and at half pot or a little less on dry boards Link to post Share on other sites
kepper 0 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 well he cant have AA,99, KJ, J8. So We only lose to TT. He could have AT or T9. If he does have T9 chances are he is only playing it suited so that leaves only Td9d. Same goes with AdTd, AhTh. He could also have AQ. I don't know how likely that is though but it is definitely a possibility and playing it this way wouldn't be the weirdest thing I have ever seen.Not wanting to 3bet the flop because it looks super strong, but not wanting a J or K to peel on the river when you check turn. With all this in mind, it does look more likely to be a fold then a call. However it does seem close and as such I lean on the side that doesn't involve us folding a set since everyone does something stupid every so often. Now do we call or shove, I think this player is the type that might hero fold some of the time, that mixed with him very rarely having a K or J, I would just call the turn and call river.Thanks for the feedback Fighter.In game it felt like I was beat but decided to call down hoping he had AQ or AT or was just doing something stupid.Results:Turn: ($12.92) (2 players)SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75River: ($26.42) (2 players)SB bets $15.43, Hero calls $13.00SB showed , Hero showed , SB won $50.42 Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thanks for the feedback Fighter.In game it felt like I was beat but decided to call down hoping he had AQ or AT or was just doing something stupid.Results:Turn: ($12.92) (2 players)SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75River: ($26.42) (2 players)SB bets $15.43, Hero calls $13.00SB showed , Hero showed , SB won $50.42 Yeah that sucks. Your read of the situation is pretty spot on. If it was a higher limit or if you had a lot of hands/great read on the villain I would agree with folding turn. Unfortunately in this situation the spaz factor at 25nl is too high to be folding sets for 100bb. You can take heart in the fact that roles reversed he wouldn't even be thinking about this beyond set over set cooler, whatever that's worth. Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Day or two off, rushing it up for a bit of a change.We happy?Dont have a cow, heres your converted handHEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $25.00 UTG: $27.17 UTG+1: $28.97 (Hero)CO: $21.58 (34/25 over ~70)Button: $19.15 SB: $27.49 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($3.10) (4 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, CO calls $2.00, Button folds, BB calls $2.00Turn: ($9.10) (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, CO raises to $18.83, BB folds, Hero foldsNo readsbeware the feral cow packs. they hunger.HEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB: $32.85 BB: $25.38 UTG: $31.10 UTG+1: $40.90 (Hero)CO: $25.35 Button: $24.07 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB foldsFlop: ($3.25) (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, CO calls $2.00, Button raises to $4.00, SB folds, Hero calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00Turn: ($15.25) (3 players)Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $6.00, Hero folds Link to post Share on other sites
KosinTrouble 0 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I think I like a bit bigger bet on the turn with the aces. With such a small bet, i would see that as weak and if I had Kx I would raise it up for sure. if your bet was 6.50ish and got raised like that, then yes i would fold. On the second hand, I am always torn on that one. I think without reads I can find a fold. But I see a lot of people min raising flush draws. So I would probably call the turn as well. If not, then you probably should have folded to the raise on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 chemistrynot really I'm trrbl at science... Is flopping a set an ionic bond or a covalent bond? Link to post Share on other sites
dlingdling 0 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 chemistrynot really I'm trrbl at science... Is flopping a set an ionic bond or a covalent bond?Neither. It triggers a black hole:v1.24Converted by the cows of Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t25/t50 - 8 playersBB jstrangeway: t1,780 UTG CNNFLOPS: t1,180 UTG+1 Hero: t1,080 MP hacker59: t1,410 HJ jdypro: t2,065 CO lisbonstar: t1,790 Button sHOvAAnDoTudO: t1,545 SB kidly: t1,360 Preflop: (t75) Hero is UTG+1 with : : (8 players)CNNFLOPS folds, Hero raises to t175, hacker59 folds, jdypro calls t175, 4 foldsFlop: (t425) : : : (2 players)Hero bets t325, jdypro calls t325Turn: (t1,075) : (2 players)Hero checks, jdypro bets t120, Hero calls t120River: (t1,315) : (2 players)Hero bets t460, and is all in, jdypro calls t460Hero showed : :, and lost with a full house, Aces full of Kingsjdypro showed : :, and won (2,235) with four of a kind, Kingsjdypro won t2,235 Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 sick line ;)edit: sick life getting top FH vs quads in a SNG and not a cash game for 100bbs+ Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKwP6RDUWQ Link to post Share on other sites
dlingdling 0 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 sick line ;)edit: sick life getting top FH vs quads in a SNG and not a cash game for 100bbs+inorganic button clicking luckbox obv Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 sick line ;)edit: sick life getting top FH vs quads in a SNG and not a cash game for 100bbs+that's what I thought too haha Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 unless it was a $1k SNG with the last of your roll... sick beats ittpokerz... Link to post Share on other sites
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