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BB is a reg, has some obvious leaks but is overall tight 23/15/1.3 over 213 hands CO is 24/21/ 23 over 257, he is very agro when he is the preflop raiser but doesn't like being played back at. BTN is fish. Not a massive fishI have been a retard for the session, running at 44/33 type. Pretty much what I was doing in the FCP reg game only they were laying back and taking it. The BB and CO have seen me play as tight as 20/16 in previous sessions though so they should know I have gears. I played this hand with the exact same villains (fish was sitting out , CO is BTN) on this table about 4 or 5 rotations earlier. feral_cow_icon.gifConverted by a herd of feral cowsHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 5 playersButton: $54.20 SB: $54.00 (Hero)BB: $170.20 UTG: $71.12 CO: $51.19 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with :5c:ts (5 players)UTG folds, Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $4.50, Button calls $3.50Flop: ($15.00) :D:club::jh (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksTurn: ($15.00) :3h (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksRiver: ($15.00) :qh (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksButton showed :5c:ts, BB showed :D:4h, Button won $14.25So this hand. What is my best plan of action on the flop and what do you think as played?feral_cow_icon.gifConverting hands till the cows come homeHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $68.56 Button: $22.28 SB: $56.83 (Hero)BB: $158.77 UTG: $64.69 UTG+1: $52.97 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with :D:club: (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00Flop: ($6.00) :3h:4h:D (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, BB raises to $18.00, 2 folds,

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This deserves to get seen by a few more people. From our resident Stupidhead...v1.27Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterHEM/Poker Stars NL Hold'em $1.00/$2.00 - 6 playersButton: $237.98SB: $200.00BB: $60.00

I remember when this thread was all about how bad KJ was at 3betting

He's probably not flatting KJ's raise otf if he had a2. Besides, A2 is such a small portion of his range here, we are never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding the turn. People are stupid, they do

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SB is 18/14feral_cow_icon.gifonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 9 playersMP2: $27.14 HJ: $25.52 CO: $25.25 Button: $25.00 (Hero)SB: $27.43 BB: $27.02 UTG: $12.55 UTG+1: $25.00 MP: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with :5c:3h (9 players)3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB foldsFlop: ($2.50) :4h:club::ts (3 players)SB checks, MP2 bets $1.42, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $4.50, MP2 foldsTurn: ($12.92) :qh (2 players)SB bets $6.75, hero...........
well he cant have AA,99, KJ, J8. So We only lose to TT. He could have AT or T9. If he does have T9 chances are he is only playing it suited so that leaves only Td9d. Same goes with AdTd, AhTh. He could also have AQ. I don't know how likely that is though but it is definitely a possibility and playing it this way wouldn't be the weirdest thing I have ever seen.Not wanting to 3bet the flop because it looks super strong, but not wanting a J or K to peel on the river when you check turn. With all this in mind, it does look more likely to be a fold then a call. However it does seem close and as such I lean on the side that doesn't involve us folding a set since everyone does something stupid every so often. Now do we call or shove, I think this player is the type that might hero fold some of the time, that mixed with him very rarely having a K or J, I would just call the turn and call river.
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BB is a reg, has some obvious leaks but is overall tight 23/15/1.3 over 213 hands CO is 24/21/ 23 over 257, he is very agro when he is the preflop raiser but doesn't like being played back at. BTN is fish. Not a massive fishI have been a retard for the session, running at 44/33 type. Pretty much what I was doing in the FCP reg game only they were laying back and taking it. The BB and CO have seen me play as tight as 20/16 in previous sessions though so they should know I have gears. I played this hand with the exact same villains (fish was sitting out , CO is BTN) on this table about 4 or 5 rotations earlier. feral_cow_icon.gifConverted by a herd of feral cowsHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 5 playersButton: $54.20 SB: $54.00 (Hero)BB: $170.20 UTG: $71.12 CO: $51.19 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with :5c:ts (5 players)UTG folds, Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $4.50, Button calls $3.50Flop: ($15.00) :D:club::jh (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksTurn: ($15.00) :3h (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksRiver: ($15.00) :qh (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button checksButton showed :5c:ts, BB showed :D:4h, Button won $14.25So this hand. What is my best plan of action on the flop and what do you think as played?feral_cow_icon.gifConverting hands till the cows come homeHEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $68.56 Button: $22.28 SB: $56.83 (Hero)BB: $158.77 UTG: $64.69 UTG+1: $52.97 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with :D:club: (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00Flop: ($6.00) :3h:4h:D (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, BB raises to $18.00, 2 folds,
grosslooks like a fold tho. when there's a lot of action multiway, on a board like that, I don't think it really matters how you were playing.
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this hand here may have caused a little tilt.feral_cow_icon.gifv1.24Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 playersMP2 blany1986: $0.87 HJ cncrouterguy: $10.78 CO weissj612: $17.22 Button RomanTime: $3.80 SB Hero: $10.63 BB viola9020: $21.41 UTG IOsarracino: $20.00 UTG+1 PokahTisa: $11.95 MP Linzexu: $13.20 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with :D: :ts: (9 players)4 folds, cncrouterguy raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, viola9020 folds, cncrouterguy calls $1.50Flop: ($4.10) :3h: :qh: :D: (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, cncrouterguy calls $2.25Turn: ($8.60) :jh: (2 players)Hero bets $6.38, and is all in, cncrouterguy calls $6.38River: ($21.36) :5c: (2 players)cncrouterguy showed :D: :club::, and won ($19.94) with a straight, Ace highHero showed :D: :4h:, and lost with three of a kind, Kingscncrouterguy won $19.94(Rake: $1.42)

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this hand here may have relieved the tilt.feral_cow_icon.gifv1.24Moooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersBB Van Dolar: $37.05 UTG ferrarif460: $12.64 UTG+1 Hero: $13.60 CO katmando_06: $2.19 Button Architectman: $5.97 SB lokeneo: $10.27 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with :4h: :D: (6 players)ferrarif460 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, lokeneo raises to $1.55, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.10Flop: ($3.30) :ts: :jh: :club:: (2 players)lokeneo bets $2.80, Hero raises to $5.60, lokeneo calls $2.80Turn: ($14.50) :3h: (2 players)lokeneo checks, Hero bets $6.45, and is all in, lokeneo calls $3.12, and is all inRiver: ($20.74) :D: (2 players)Hero showed :5c: :D:, and won ($19.36) with a full house, Jacks full of Tenslokeneo showed :qh: :D:, and lost with a pair of TensHero won $19.36(Rake: $1.38)

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this hand here may have caused a little tilt.feral_cow_icon.gifv1.24Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 9 playersMP2 blany1986: $0.87 HJ cncrouterguy: $10.78 CO weissj612: $17.22 Button RomanTime: $3.80 SB Hero: $10.63 BB viola9020: $21.41 UTG IOsarracino: $20.00 UTG+1 PokahTisa: $11.95 MP Linzexu: $13.20 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with :D: :ts: (9 players)4 folds, cncrouterguy raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2, viola9020 folds, cncrouterguy calls $1.50Flop: ($4.10) :3h: :qh: :D: (2 players)Hero bets $2.25, cncrouterguy calls $2.25Turn: ($8.60) :jh: (2 players)Hero bets $6.38, and is all in, cncrouterguy calls $6.38River: ($21.36) :5c: (2 players)cncrouterguy showed :D: :club::, and won ($19.94) with a straight, Ace highHero showed :D: :4h:, and lost with three of a kind, Kingscncrouterguy won $19.94(Rake: $1.42)
i seem to be having a leak with my betsizing here recently.. i am missing out on tons of value and for instance in this hand.. i need to be cbetting this board wayyyy bigger.
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HEM/IPoker NL Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $68.56 Button: $22.28 SB: $56.83 (Hero)BB: $158.77 UTG: $64.69 UTG+1: $52.97 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with :3h:club: (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00Flop: ($6.00) :4h:ts:5c (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, BB raises to $18.00, 2 folds,
I'd fold here and not even really think twice about it. When he check raises over a bet and your check raise i think you can easily assume you are crushed here and if for some weird reason he ever did this with worse (which I think will happen almost never) then good for him.Also I am way more inclined to donk or c/c on the flop over c/ring
i seem to be having a leak with my betsizing here recently.. i am missing out on tons of value and for instance in this hand.. i need to be cbetting this board wayyyy bigger.
I disagree, I think your flop cbet is ok and if you are to go bigger i woudnt go too much bigger, Maybe 2 or 3bbs more max
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I disagree, I think your flop cbet is ok and if you are to go bigger i woudnt go too much bigger, Maybe 2 or 3bbs more max
What about making about 3.50? Is that too big? With possible straight and flush draws out there. Wouldnt it be a bit better to charge them a price that makes it wrong for them to call. I realize you dont want to make it too big so you dont chase them out, but at the same time, you dont want to make it too low so its the "right price" for them to call.
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I'd fold here and not even really think twice about it. When he check raises over a bet and your check raise i think you can easily assume you are crushed here and if for some weird reason he ever did this with worse (which I think will happen almost never) then good for him.Also I am way more inclined to donk or c/c on the flop over c/ringI disagree, I think your flop cbet is ok and if you are to go bigger i woudnt go too much bigger, Maybe 2 or 3bbs more max
ahhhh the early morning haze had me reading the HH wrong...fold is prob right
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What about making about 3.50? Is that too big? With possible straight and flush draws out there. Wouldnt it be a bit better to charge them a price that makes it wrong for them to call. I realize you dont want to make it too big so you dont chase them out, but at the same time, you dont want to make it too low so its the "right price" for them to call.
Using an exploitable bet sizing vs bad players is fine, so yeah betting that big would be ok in this spot i suppose. Betting just over half pot will still be giving villain a bad price on a draw here tho, but my math part of the game is not great so i could be wrong.The main reason I don't like betting bigger is what sizing are you using with your whole range? I just tend to bet just over half pot on wet boards with my cbetting range and at half pot or a little less on dry boards
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well he cant have AA,99, KJ, J8. So We only lose to TT. He could have AT or T9. If he does have T9 chances are he is only playing it suited so that leaves only Td9d. Same goes with AdTd, AhTh. He could also have AQ. I don't know how likely that is though but it is definitely a possibility and playing it this way wouldn't be the weirdest thing I have ever seen.Not wanting to 3bet the flop because it looks super strong, but not wanting a J or K to peel on the river when you check turn. With all this in mind, it does look more likely to be a fold then a call. However it does seem close and as such I lean on the side that doesn't involve us folding a set since everyone does something stupid every so often. Now do we call or shove, I think this player is the type that might hero fold some of the time, that mixed with him very rarely having a K or J, I would just call the turn and call river.
Thanks for the feedback Fighter.In game it felt like I was beat but decided to call down hoping he had AQ or AT or was just doing something stupid.Results:Turn: ($12.92) Qd.gif (2 players)SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75River: ($26.42) 5s.gif (2 players)SB bets $15.43, Hero calls $13.00SB showed Th.gifTc.gif, Hero showed 9s.gif9c.gif, SB won $50.42 :club:
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Thanks for the feedback Fighter.In game it felt like I was beat but decided to call down hoping he had AQ or AT or was just doing something stupid.Results:Turn: ($12.92) Qd.gif (2 players)SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75River: ($26.42) 5s.gif (2 players)SB bets $15.43, Hero calls $13.00SB showed Th.gifTc.gif, Hero showed 9s.gif9c.gif, SB won $50.42 :club:
Yeah that sucks. Your read of the situation is pretty spot on. If it was a higher limit or if you had a lot of hands/great read on the villain I would agree with folding turn. Unfortunately in this situation the spaz factor at 25nl is too high to be folding sets for 100bb. You can take heart in the fact that roles reversed he wouldn't even be thinking about this beyond set over set cooler, whatever that's worth.
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Day or two off, rushing it up for a bit of a change.We happy?feral_cow_icon.gifDont have a cow, heres your converted handHEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $25.00 UTG: $27.17 UTG+1: $28.97 (Hero)CO: $21.58 (34/25 over ~70)Button: $19.15 SB: $27.49 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with :4h:D (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($3.10) :D:3h:club: (4 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, CO calls $2.00, Button folds, BB calls $2.00Turn: ($9.10) :qh (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, CO raises to $18.83, BB folds, Hero foldsNo readsferal_cow_icon.gifbeware the feral cow packs. they hunger.HEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersSB: $32.85 BB: $25.38 UTG: $31.10 UTG+1: $40.90 (Hero)CO: $25.35 Button: $24.07 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with :D:club: (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB foldsFlop: ($3.25) :ts:5c:jh (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, CO calls $2.00, Button raises to $4.00, SB folds, Hero calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00Turn: ($15.25) :D (3 players)Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $6.00, Hero folds

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I think I like a bit bigger bet on the turn with the aces. With such a small bet, i would see that as weak and if I had Kx I would raise it up for sure. if your bet was 6.50ish and got raised like that, then yes i would fold. On the second hand, I am always torn on that one. I think without reads I can find a fold. But I see a lot of people min raising flush draws. So I would probably call the turn as well. If not, then you probably should have folded to the raise on the flop.

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:club: chemistrynot really I'm trrbl at science... Is flopping a set an ionic bond or a covalent bond?
Neither. It triggers a black hole:feral_cow_icon.gifv1.24Converted by the cows of Feral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t25/t50 - 8 playersBB jstrangeway: t1,780 UTG CNNFLOPS: t1,180 UTG+1 Hero: t1,080 MP hacker59: t1,410 HJ jdypro: t2,065 CO lisbonstar: t1,790 Button sHOvAAnDoTudO: t1,545 SB kidly: t1,360 Preflop: (t75) Hero is UTG+1 with :D: :4h: (8 players)CNNFLOPS folds, Hero raises to t175, hacker59 folds, jdypro calls t175, 4 foldsFlop: (t425) :ts: :3h: :D: (2 players)Hero bets t325, jdypro calls t325Turn: (t1,075) :D: (2 players)Hero checks, jdypro bets t120, Hero calls t120River: (t1,315) :club:: (2 players)Hero bets t460, and is all in, jdypro calls t460Hero showed :D: :5c:, and lost with a full house, Aces full of Kingsjdypro showed :jh: :qh:, and won (2,235) with four of a kind, Kingsjdypro won t2,235
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