New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[KingJames 11]

8:20 I have followed him to a new table bc he HnR after the last handFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG kbazsi75: $16.55 UTG+1 Hero: $27.66 CO Shadow174: $34.01 Button fookyaa: $22.25 SB TorBu84: $25.23 BB i bend u over: $31.47 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)kbazsi75 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, kbazsi75 calls $1Flop: ($2.85) (2 players)kbazsi75 bets $2.75, Hero raises to $26.41, and is all in, kbazsi75 calls $12.55, and is all inTurn: ($33.45) (2 players)River: ($33.45) (2 players)kbazsi75 showed , and won ($31.78) with two pair, Jacks and EightsHero showed , and lost with a pair of Aceskbazsi75 won $31.78(Rake: $1.67)

[KingJames 11]

Gonna go shovel my driveway and try this again...

[trystero 0]

lol what a joke

[meservery 0]

I used to post, now mostly just lurk occasionally. Gonna try to post more.Sorry, no reads... I really feel like lately I am getting in way too many difficult river spots. Not sure if maybe I am just doing something wrong earlier in the hand. Your converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersButton: $25.00 (Hero)SB: $17.26 BB: $23.55 UTG: $32.87 CO: $34.75 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (5 players)UTG raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 foldsFlop: ($1.85) (2 players)UTG bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25Turn: ($4.35) (2 players)UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50River: ($9.35) (2 players)UTG bets $4.75, Hero...***Gonna post a few other river spots.

[meservery 0]

Converted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG+1: $49.29 CO: $31.86 Button: $11.17 SB: $34.28 (Hero)BB: $25.00 UTG: $10.55 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.90, BB foldsFlop: ($2.25) (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75Turn: ($5.75) (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checksRiver: ($5.75) (2 players)Hero...

[meservery 0]

This converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 3 playersButton: $62.26 (Hero)SB: $23.75 BB: $32.61 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (3 players)Hero raises to $0.75, SB folds, BB raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2Flop: ($5.60) (2 players)BB bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75Turn: ($13.10) (2 players)BB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50River: ($24.10) (2 players)BB bets $8, Hero...

[SuperJon 175]

Converted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG+1: $49.29 CO: $31.86 Button: $11.17 SB: $34.28 (Hero)BB: $25.00 UTG: $10.55 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.90, BB foldsFlop: ($2.25) (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75Turn: ($5.75) (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checksRiver: ($5.75) (2 players)Hero...

1. I wouldn't defend 98s oop against UTG+1. 3betting could be an option though if he folds enough, or folds to a lot of cbets.2. Just c/f the flop. We have middle pair against someone with a perceived strong range, and we have like no equity (like 3 "clean" outs at best). 3. As played, this should be a pretty easy bet/fold since he's probably never bluff raising you on a brick river. His check on the turn pretty much means his range is heavily weighted towards a pot control hand (AK, KQ, KJ, 1010-QQ). So I would bet something that can get value from the weaker part of that range, something around $2.25 and maybe $2.75 at the most.

[CobaltBlue 662]

wb, meservery1. Going to depend on villain. It'd be a crying call against a lot of them though. I certainly don't mind a fold. If you need a read, I don't mind a call.2. I agree with SuperJon on all points.3. Pretty much have to station it.

[KingJames 11]

@QJ- I also might fold preflop. Vs an UTG range we're not doing that well and can easily be dominated my AQ AJ etc.As played fold river. without a read facing 3 barrels vs an UTG raise, we're not gonna be good alot, imo@98- what jon said. As played I'd bet/fold river for $3 or so@AQ- sick spot. I think a good rule of thumb is to not call 3bets oop. Esepcially with a hand like AQ that can be dominated by one of villains likely value hands, AK. And if he has AA KK you can be in tough shape when you flop a Q. Or if you flop an A vs KK or QQ you don't get much action... especially oopAs played I click call and sigh when he rolls AK. I guess it's a fold, but I generally station off in these spots. isap

[KingJames 11]

Grinding back... gonna go out for some breakfast and then go into lockdown mode this afternoon.If anyone wants to sweat, just hit me up on skype; KingJames_kj and you can watch me nit it up and crush face

[SuperJon 175]

gl james

[meservery 0]

1. I wouldn't defend 98s oop against UTG+1. 3betting could be an option though if he folds enough, or folds to a lot of cbets.2. Just c/f the flop. We have middle pair against someone with a perceived strong range, and we have like no equity (like 3 "clean" outs at best). 3. As played, this should be a pretty easy bet/fold since he's probably never bluff raising you on a brick river. His check on the turn pretty much means his range is heavily weighted towards a pot control hand (AK, KQ, KJ, 1010-QQ). So I would bet something that can get value from the weaker part of that range, something around $2.25 and maybe $2.75 at the most.

Thanks!On 1) Wouldn't normally defend if we were 100 BB, but since we were a little deeper... Is there a point in stack sizes where we could call this OOP? Or will that just actually make it more difficult to play. What if we were BB instead of SB? Would that change things?

[meservery 0]

wb, meservery

Thanks! Sick record keeping/graphs by the way.

[meservery 0]

@QJ- I also might fold preflop. Vs an UTG range we're not doing that well and can easily be dominated my AQ AJ etc.As played fold river. without a read facing 3 barrels vs an UTG raise, we're not gonna be good alot, imo@98- what jon said. As played I'd bet/fold river for $3 or so@AQ- sick spot. I think a good rule of thumb is to not call 3bets oop. Esepcially with a hand like AQ that can be dominated by one of villains likely value hands, AK. And if he has AA KK you can be in tough shape when you flop a Q. Or if you flop an A vs KK or QQ you don't get much action... especially oopAs played I click call and sigh when he rolls AK. I guess it's a fold, but I generally station off in these spots. isap

@AQ) Dont think I was OOP on this one... this one really fukked me up as it was only 3 handed. How can AsQs not be good 3 handed?!? And whats the deal with the villians 1/3 pot river bet? His sizing was either really awesome the whole way or really terrible. Just not sure which one.

[SuperJon 175]

Thanks!On 1) Wouldn't normally defend if we were 100 BB, but since we were a little deeper... Is there a point in stack sizes where we could call this OOP? Or will that just actually make it more difficult to play. What if we were BB instead of SB? Would that change things?

You should be much more inclined to 3bet these hands the deeper the effective stacks are as you can make a very strong disguised hand, and you have more room to maneuver for the times you don't hit. Calling OOP can be okay against some opponents, but I prefer to do it with hands that play well, but would have to fold to a 4bet if I 3bet. Hands that can flop decent equity against a typical CO or BTN open, and that can easily c/r a dry flop.

[KingJames 11]

@AQ) Dont think I was OOP on this one... this one really fukked me up as it was only 3 handed. How can AsQs not be good 3 handed?!? And whats the deal with the villians 1/3 pot river bet? His sizing was either really awesome the whole way or really terrible. Just not sure which one.

You're right! I was looking at it too quickly. 3 handed the defend is fine. Vs some villains you can prob 4b/get it in...And yeah, his river bet is nice and small, giving you a good price, so like we said, prob just station it off.

[trystero 0]

what's up meserveryhope you stay and post.

[Solar 0]

@MeserveryHand 1: I don't like calling raises with QJ for exactly this reason, especially UTG. Would prefer to call pre with 78s than QJ. We should be calling with these hands hoping for one of two things, to hit a straigh/flush/draw, or to float the flop and bet the turn against some weak reg. As played fold river, virtually nobody fires 3 barrel bluffs.Hand 2: Hero folds pre. Seriously do anything you can to play fewer pots OOP and your winrate will improve.Hand 3: Hero 4bets pre, and snaps a shove. Standard for AQ in this position. There are villains who will 3bet a button raise with any 2 broadways in a six handed game. As played call I guess.

[KingJames 11]

It's going well ;)Really tho, not tilting, it's kinda greatFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersButton Hero: $38.07 SB picmania: $30.84 BB Em2KCUM: $15.74 UTG ullya1ster: $28.64 CO MaxPain22: $49.51 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (5 players)ullya1ster raises to $1, MaxPain22 calls $1, Hero calls $1, picmania calls $0.90, Em2KCUM calls $0.75Flop: ($5.00) (5 players)picmania checks, Em2KCUM checks, ullya1ster bets $2.25, MaxPain22 calls $2.25, Hero raises to $7.75, 2 folds, ullya1ster calls $5.50, MaxPain22 foldsTurn: ($22.75) (2 players)ullya1ster checks, Hero bets $9, ullya1ster raises to $19.89, and is all in, Hero calls $10.89River: ($62.53) (2 players)Hero showed , and lost with a full house, Tens full of Sevensullya1ster showed , and won ($59.53) with four of a kind, Tensullya1ster won $59.53(Rake: $3)

[Solar 0]

Lol, nothing holds today at all. At least their hands don't eitherConverted by a herd of feral cowsHEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG+1: $26.60 (Hero)CO: $25.25 Button: $17.72 SB: $26.88 BB: $24.02 UTG: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, Button calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($2.35) (3 players)BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $3.50, Button folds, BB calls $2.75Turn: ($9.35) (2 players)BB bets $3.25, Hero raises to $8.50, BB calls $5.25River: ($26.35) (2 players)BB bets $11.27, Hero calls $11.27BB showed , Hero showed , Hero won $46.45

[Solar 0]

Really??Edit: not sure why this wont convert properly, but he had T7oonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.HEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $25.57 (Hero)UTG: $32.08 UTG+1: $11.31 CO: $13.58 Button: $50.54 SB: $39.63 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, CO calls $1.50Flop: ($4.60) (2 players)Hero bets $2.75, CO calls $2.75Turn: ($10.10) (2 players)Hero bets $20.57, CO calls $8.58River: ($27.26) (2 players)CO won $25.90

[fighter 4]

Lol, nothing holds today at all. At least their hands don't eitherConverted by a herd of feral cowsHEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersUTG+1: $26.60 (Hero)CO: $25.25 Button: $17.72 SB: $26.88 BB: $24.02 UTG: $25.00 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, Button calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($2.35) (3 players)BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $3.50, Button folds, BB calls $2.75Turn: ($9.35) (2 players)BB bets $3.25, Hero raises to $8.50, BB calls $5.25River: ($26.35) (2 players)BB bets $11.27, Hero calls $11.27BB showed , Hero showed , Hero won $46.45

That is way too loose pre.

[SuperJon 175]

stellar handConverted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersButton: $25.65 SB: $45.65 BB: $45.20 (Hero)UTG: $21.00 CO: $45.12 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with :D (5 players)UTG raises to $1.25, CO folds, Button calls $1.25, SB calls $1.15, Hero foldsFlop: ($4.00) (3 players)SB checks, UTG checks, Button checksTurn: ($4.00) (3 players)SB bets $2.92, UTG raises to $5.84, Button folds, SB raises to $13.63, UTG calls $7.79River: ($31.26) (2 players)SB bets $14.90, UTG calls $6.02 and is all-inSB showed , and lost with a full house, Sevens full of KingsUTG showed , and won ($41.40) with a full house, Eights full of KingsUTG won $41.40(Rake: $2)

[SuperJon 175]

ok, one moreFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersButton: $29.50 (Hero)SB: $46.98 BB: $23.65 UTG: $28.95 CO: $21.90 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is Button with (5 players)UTG raises to $0.50, CO folds, Hero folds, SB raises to $1.50, BB folds, UTG calls $1Flop: ($3.25) (2 players)SB bets $1.50, UTG raises to $3, SB calls $1.50Turn: ($9.25) (2 players)SB bets $10, UTG raises to $20, SB calls $10River: ($49.25) (2 players)SB bets $22.48 and is all-in, UTG calls $4.45 and is all-inSB showed , and lost with high card AceUTG showed , and won ($56.15) with two pair, Fives and FoursUTG won $56.15(Rake: $2)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Really??Edit: not sure why this wont convert properly, but he had T7oonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.HEM/Full Tilt NL Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersBB: $25.57 (Hero)UTG: $32.08 UTG+1: $11.31 CO: $13.58 Button: $50.54 SB: $39.63 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with (6 players)2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, CO calls $1.50Flop: ($4.60) (2 players)Hero bets $2.75, CO calls $2.75Turn: ($10.10) (2 players)Hero bets $20.57, CO calls $8.58River: ($27.26) (2 players)CO won $25.90

He thinks he's DN.I got trounced by a T7o the other day. Think I raised KK UTG FR, BB called. Flop T74r. He check/min-raises, I call. Turn 7. He check/min-raises all-in, I call and sigh. I'm really seeing that line a ridiculous amount lately...where opponents will MCR the flop with two pair and then c/r the turn again when they boat up. It's really frustrating, because typically a c/r and turn check are usually pretty weak.