New Challenge: Movin' On Up

[SCS 0]

I didn't realise you hated money

How often is villain 3 betting really light here?How often are you 4 bet bluffing in this spot?

[babylondonks 5]

How often is villain 3 betting really light here?How often are you 4 bet bluffing in this spot?

I'm not sure why you're making my argument for me, but ty

[trystero 0]

Because it's a board that misses CO a lot, and Hero can represent a lot by c/ring the flop.I doubt that it's much of a concern at 2nl though.

Yea and if you check behind villain can rep a lot by firing two barrels because you're clearly checking w/SD value . It works both ways. 67 on that board is fragile; the c/bet is fine.

[Stupidhead 2]

I would 4 bet to $200 or so preflop.

why?

[KingJames 11]

HOF discussion about a nutbar hand<3 stupidhead

[droberts 3]

umm if the action went from 6>22>22>200...... lol im pretty sure thats only AA or KK.. and if ur villain and u have KK.. u fold.. i like how he played the hand tbh..

[Ninja Ace 1]

Yea and if you check behind villain can rep a lot by firing two barrels because you're clearly checking w/SD value . It works both ways. 67 on that board is fragile; the c/bet is fine.

Don't use "rep" in the same discussion as 2NL

[trystero 0]

Don't use "rep" in the same discussion as 2NL

Try directing that one to SCS.

[SCS 0]

I'm not sure why you're making my argument for me, but ty

The only reason to 4 bet small is to balance the times we are 4 bet bluffing. Since we are never 4 bet bluffing here and UTG+1 almost always has a hand he's willing to stack off with, then 4 betting smaller does nothing for us.$200 is too big though, I would have raised enough to put the button all in.

[fighter 4]

The only reason to 4 bet small is to balance the times we are 4 bet bluffing. Since we are never 4 bet bluffing here and UTG+1 almost always has a hand he's willing to stack off with, then 4 betting smaller does nothing for us.$200 is too big though, I would have raised enough to put the button all in.

betting big discourages him from calling. Why would we want to do that. Just because we are rarely bluffing here, doesn't mean that the villain knows this. Putting a sign on a bet saying "I don't want my ACES sucked out on !1111!!" is bad

[babylondonks 5]

That is the meanest post I've ever seen from you fighter! I'm shocked!

[fighter 4]

That is the meanest post I've ever seen from you fighter! I'm shocked!

Yeah I am having a pretty shitty day. I edited the venom out. For people who missed it. I don't like people who never ask questions, but consistently provide answers.

[SuperJon 175]

For people who missed it. I don't like people who never ask questions, but consistently provide answers.

...to get to the other side....of course it makes a sound.On another note, I went busto.Okay, not really, but I did have to cash out my roll because I suckz at real life money management.Not upset because this will give me the extra time to get back into working out, plus I just had my guitar restringed so I can start playing again.I'm still going to study by watching DC videos and keeping up with this thread, and will put money back on Stars in a few weeks.

[babylondonks 5]

Yeah I am having a pretty shitty day. I edited the venom out. For people who missed it. I don't like people who never ask questions, but consistently provide answers.

*hugs*I'll buy you a beer when I see you.

[SCS 0]

betting big discourages him from calling. Why would we want to do that. Just because we are rarely bluffing here, doesn't mean that the villain knows this. Putting a sign on a bet saying "I don't want my ACES sucked out on !1111!!" is bad

I don't want villain to fold. I also have no reason to believe that if villain is 3 betting light that we will induce him to shove over a 4 bet. I've found in general, that most tagish villains when 3 betting an UTG raise from another tag player are either doing it with a hand they plan to felt, or with a hand they are folding to a 4 bet when 200bbs+ deep.

[fighter 4]

I don't want villain to fold. I also have no reason to believe that if villain is 3 betting light that we will induce him to shove over a 4 bet. I've found in general, that most tagish villains when 3 betting an UTG raise from another tag player are either doing it with a hand they plan to felt, or with a hand they are folding to a 4 bet when 200bbs+ deep.

So you think that he will call/raise with the exact same frequency, even though you bet 4x as much? (rhetorical question, I don't care)If someone else believes what SCS is saying, I'll go into it. Otherwise I'm done. I am just not a SEN teacher.

[KingJames 11]

Cows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersSB: $10.13 BB: $10.40 (Hero)UTG: $10.72 UTG+1: $10.60 CO: $7.99 Button: $15.56 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, UTG calls $0.75Flop: ($2.25) (2 players)Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1Turn: ($4.25) (2 players)Check or bet? How much?Villain is 25/23/1.5 over 53 handsAlso, I didn't want to check the flop but I didn't want to blow him out so I went with the smaller c-bet... terrible?

[KingJames 11]

...to get to the other side....of course it makes a sound.On another note, I went busto.Okay, not really, but I did have to cash out my roll because I suckz at real life money management.Not upset because this will give me the extra time to get back into working out, plus I just had my guitar restringed so I can start playing again.I'm still going to study by watching DC videos and keeping up with this thread, and will put money back on Stars in a few weeks.

GL, Jon

[trystero 0]

Cows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersSB: $10.13 BB: $10.40 (Hero)UTG: $10.72 UTG+1: $10.60 CO: $7.99 Button: $15.56 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, UTG calls $0.75Flop: ($2.25) (2 players)Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1Turn: ($4.25) (2 players)Check or bet? How much?Villain is 25/23/1.5 over 53 handsAlso, I didn't want to check the flop but I didn't want to blow him out so I went with the smaller c-bet... terrible?

it's very hard for him to have something, but I want stacks if he does...I bet $2 and pray that he raises

[jmbreslin 0]

Cows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10 - 6 playersSB: $10.13 BB: $10.40 (Hero)UTG: $10.72 UTG+1: $10.60 CO: $7.99 Button: $15.56 Preflop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG raises to $0.35, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, UTG calls $0.75Flop: ($2.25) (2 players)Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1Turn: ($4.25) (2 players)Check or bet? How much?Villain is 25/23/1.5 over 53 handsAlso, I didn't want to check the flop but I didn't want to blow him out so I went with the smaller c-bet... terrible?

Check to make it look like you're scared of the flush. If he doesn't have a flush, a bet will most likely scare him off.

[Stupidhead 2]

I don't want villain to fold. I also have no reason to believe that if villain is 3 betting light that we will induce him to shove over a 4 bet. I've found in general, that most tagish villains when 3 betting an UTG raise from another tag player are either doing it with a hand they plan to felt, or with a hand they are folding to a 4 bet when 200bbs+ deep.

I want the fish in the pot more than I want the reg in.

[trystero 0]

Check to make it look like you're scared of the flush. If he doesn't have a flush, a bet will most likely scare him off.

I hate surrendering the initiative in spots like this one. Unless he has a flush or trips it's going to be very difficult to get action from him (very few flushes and 8s in his UTG range fwiw). Sure, he sometimes bluffs this turn, but after that he'll give up on the river too often. Once we check I suspect that he checks behind frequently w/like AcKx and most of his showdownable hands. I'd rather get value from his whole range by betting small on the turn - he still calls us with pocket pairs and possibly ace high, as well as with broadway clubs. He might also spazz over us w/say the NFD.

[Syntonic 0]

Where's the Movin' On Down thread?

[KingJames 11]

Where's the Movin' On Down thread?

Same thread, yoRegroup, rebuild, crush, ez gameWhat do you think about the JJ hand

[Syntonic 0]

I didn't comment on that hand because I thought it was dumb, then I realized it was 3bet preflop, so I don't think it's dumb anymore. Although, I wish you made it 1.50 on the flop.I like trystero's approach, bet $2 and expect a call. I don't mind checking here if we were in position, but I don't really want him to check behind and keep the pot small.