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Forecast called for 14" of snow. We got 2"Weather people are worse at what they do than I am at poker.No confidence, not playing well. Time to correct this problem. Gonna be a big weekend.

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This deserves to get seen by a few more people. From our resident Stupidhead...v1.27Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterHEM/Poker Stars NL Hold'em $1.00/$2.00 - 6 playersButton: $237.98SB: $200.00BB: $60.00

I remember when this thread was all about how bad KJ was at 3betting

He's probably not flatting KJ's raise otf if he had a2. Besides, A2 is such a small portion of his range here, we are never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding the turn. People are stupid, they do

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feral_cow_icon.gifCows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.50/$1 ante $0.20 - 6 playersBB: $200.00 UTG: $788.65 UTG+1: $393.50 (Hero)CO: $233.90 Button: $300.95 SB: $702.90 Preflop: ($2.50) Hero is UTG+1 with :jh:D (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $3, Button folds, SB raises to $13, BB calls $12, Hero calls $10Flop: ($40.00) :club::qh:D (4 players)SB checks, BB bets $24, Hero raises to $67, SB raises to $689.70, and is all in, BB folds, Hero calls $313.30, and is all inTurn: ($824.60) :3h (3 players)River: ($824.60) :ts (3 players)Hero showed :D :D, and lost with a pair of NinesSB showed :5c:4h, and won ($821.60) with a pair of KingsSB won $821.60(Rake: $3)
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If he's got 8T or QT or Jx, he's calling one more bet, maybe $2 is a bit more, but we have top pair in a 3bet pot, so maybe just bet/call, like $1.5-$1.75 or bet $1.6 and shove most rivers.I dunno we have toppest pair in a 3bet pot, but the board is fairly dry.Let's see what the good players think
Here are my uneducated thoughts as a FR not 6max player. With out any reads on him and OOP it's tough. He has had two chances to already get more cash in the pot if he has a monster (4-bet and raise the c-bet), which tends to be what people do at this level. On the other hand though I don't see a lot of calling 3 bets either which might make me think he is more likely to be slow playing something. I'd probably check/call him down.
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Wat?You should basically do the exact opposite of what you just said. Push the guys who are drawing, and do NOT give them the right price to draw. Shoving the turn is pretty bad there (obv villain's call was worse)
Exactly what he said...for more info go read a few pages of NL Theory and Practice by that creep David Slansky.
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Oh yeah, you know it's going to be a good night when...Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (BB) ($10)UTG ($14.38)UTG+1 ($5.60)MP1 ($14.53)MP2 ($4.55)MP3 ($25.64)CO ($13.54)Button ($4)SB ($3.45)Preflop: Hero is BB with Jdiamond.gif, Jclub.gif5 folds, CO bets $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.20, CO calls $0.90, 1 foldFlop: ($2.70) Jspade.gif, 10heart.gif, 10diamond.gif(2 players)Hero bets $1.45, CO calls $1.45Turn: ($5.60) 2heart.gif(2 players)Hero bets $3.95, CO calls $3.95River: ($13.50) 6heart.gif(2 players)Hero bets $3.40 (All-In), CO calls $3.40Total pot: $20.30 | Rake: $1.35Results:Hero had Jdiamond.gif, Jclub.gif (full house, Jacks over tens).CO had 10spade.gif, 10club.gif (four of a kind, tens).Outcome: CO won $18.95

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Yeah, I need work on my bet-sizing. Of course, I didn't have the nuts... :club:
Meh, nuts roughly defined as "a hand that crushes and we're never folding"He had the super nuts...
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feral_cow_icon.gifCows play poker with cow chipsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.50/$1 ante $0.20 - 6 playersBB: $200.00 UTG: $788.65 UTG+1: $393.50 (Hero)CO: $233.90 Button: $300.95 SB: $702.90 Preflop: ($2.50) Hero is UTG+1 with :qh:3d (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $3, Button folds, SB raises to $13, BB calls $12, Hero calls $10Flop: ($40.00) :ts:club::D (4 players)SB checks, BB bets $24, Hero raises to $67, SB raises to $689.70, and is all in, BB folds, Hero calls $313.30, and is all inTurn: ($824.60) :D (3 players)River: ($824.60) :3h (3 players)Hero showed :jh:7s, and lost with a pair of NinesSB showed :jh:qh, and won ($821.60) with a pair of KingsSB won $821.60(Rake: $3)
I raise.feral_cow_icon.gifv1.11Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterHEM/Absolute NL Hold'em $1.00/$2.00 - 6 playersButton DELUSIONALIS: $168.35 SB DRINKNOW: $665.70 BB DONKEEE85: $151.40 UTG Hero: $585.45 UTG+1 ALLINJOMPA: $419.55 CO GRADYFUND: $208.00 Preflop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with :5c: :ts: (6 players)Hero raises to $6.00, ALLINJOMPA raises to $22.00, GRADYFUND folds, DELUSIONALIS calls $22.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $76.00, ALLINJOMPA calls $54.00, DELUSIONALIS calls $54.00Flop: ($231.00) :4h: :5c: :qc: (3 players)Hero bets $509.45, ALLINJOMPA calls $343.55, DELUSIONALIS calls $92.35Turn: ($1,010.45) :D: (3 players)River: ($1,010.45) :club:: (3 players)DELUSIONALIS showed :D: :D:, Hero showed :3h: :4h:, ALLINJOMPA showed :D: :D:, ALLINJOMPA won $500.91ALLINJOMPA won $506.54
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wow I missed that hand babylon... I've never seen a more terrible shove with kings in my lifealso... i guess I didn't get the memo on reads or what have you... but don't you have to be nearly 100% certain it's never a set to make that call?oh... and I can't HH live games... but I lost a live 1-2 1400 pot AIPF 99 > AA so... I knows fellas... i knows

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well once he 3bets pre he never can have a low pocket pair and even 99 is a pretty bad spot to squeeze there so deep. Much better to just flop a set and stack fools. Also there's only one combo and even against sets I'm around 31%. What sucks is that it's not often I'm gonna be flipping 400 deep so I doubt variance will set itself straight again too soon :club:

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wow I missed that hand babylon... I've never seen a more terrible shove with kings in my lifealso... i guess I didn't get the memo on reads or what have you... but don't you have to be nearly 100% certain it's never a set to make that call?
The break-even point for the hero to call is if the villain has a set about ~42% of the time.Hero has to call 393.50 - 13 - 67 = 313.50equity pot Pr equity ($)0.5161 787 0.42 170.5916940.31212 787 0.58 142.4702952 Total = 313.0619892
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Villain is this hand is either Droberts, Stupidhead or Babylondonks. But I'll let you guess.feral_cow_icon.gifMoooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02 - 5 playersCO: $4.03 Button: $7.47 SB: $2.00 BB: $4.00 (Hero)UTG: $4.00 Preflop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 2h.gif2d.gif (5 players)CO raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04Flop: ($0.13) 6c.gifTc.gif2s.gif (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08Turn: ($0.29) Qs.gif (3 players)Hero checks, CO checksRiver: ($0.29) 7d.gif (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $3.89, and is all in, Hero calls $3.86, and is all inCO showed 6d.gif7c.gif, and lost with two pair, Sevens and SixesHero showed 2h.gif2d.gif, and won ($7.48) with three of a kind, TwosHero won $7.48(Rake: $0.53)

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3bet preFlatting the flop is fine BVB... but I really think you should be raising here... especially against an fcper who will automatically put you on a combo drawalso... if villain is FCPer... that's a horrific shove... I don't mind it so much with top 2 or better... but here... no

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Villain is this hand is either Droberts, Stupidhead or Babylondonks. But I'll let you guess.feral_cow_icon.gifMoooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02 - 5 playersCO: $4.03 Button: $7.47 SB: $2.00 BB: $4.00 (Hero)UTG: $4.00 Preflop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 2h.gif2d.gif (5 players)CO raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.04Flop: ($0.13) 6c.gifTc.gif2s.gif (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08Turn: ($0.29) Qs.gif (3 players)Hero checks, CO checksRiver: ($0.29) 7d.gif (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $3.89, and is all in, Hero calls $3.86, and is all inCO showed 6d.gif7c.gif, and lost with two pair, Sevens and SixesHero showed 2h.gif2d.gif, and won ($7.48) with three of a kind, TwosHero won $7.48(Rake: $0.53)
PETRA: Eighty-eight World Series, huh? Johnny Chan. Flops the nut straight, and ahs the discipline to wait him out. He knows Seidel's gonna bluff at it.MIKE: Johnny-****ing-Chan.PETRA: Look at the control. He knows his man well enough to check it all the way and risk winning nothing with those cards. He owns him. Poor Seidel. Kid doesn't know what hit him.
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tbh I think the worst part of the hand is the cbet by CO
Why?I just played an lolliveament...nicely run (aka good buffet) w/ a crapshoot structure. After busting I went to play in the cash game running and I was impressed that at .25/.50 blinds players were buying in for $5. Wanted $50 in chips but the bank couldn't accommodate the high rolling. When I get to the table too like three players are going south like it's no big deal, "I'll cash out $15 thanks." Another highlight was when someone raised, I declared "reraise," and was counting out my size and some dude says I'm making a string bet (because I had put the amount to call the original raise aside) and that my hand should be killed. He did apologize quickly and say that I should only be allowed to call. I'm always surprised by how people who don't actually play poker....play poker.
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3bet preFlatting the flop is fine BVB... but I really think you should be raising here... especially against an fcper who will automatically put you on a combo drawalso... if villain is FCPer... that's a horrific shove... I don't mind it so much with top 2 or better... but here... no
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Why?
Because it's a board that misses CO a lot, and Hero can represent a lot by c/ring the flop.I doubt that it's much of a concern at 2nl though.
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why u gotta put my name first in the list of 3.. it auto makes them think its me.. doubt i ever raise 67o in the cutoff either...(god im such a nit)

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I raise.feral_cow_icon.gifv1.11Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterHEM/Absolute NL Hold'em $1.00/$2.00 - 6 playersButton DELUSIONALIS: $168.35 SB DRINKNOW: $665.70 BB DONKEEE85: $151.40 UTG Hero: $585.45 UTG+1 ALLINJOMPA: $419.55 CO GRADYFUND: $208.00 Preflop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with :D: :jh: (6 players)Hero raises to $6.00, ALLINJOMPA raises to $22.00, GRADYFUND folds, DELUSIONALIS calls $22.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $76.00, ALLINJOMPA calls $54.00, DELUSIONALIS calls $54.00Flop: ($231.00) :ts: :4h: :D: (3 players)Hero bets $509.45, ALLINJOMPA calls $343.55, DELUSIONALIS calls $92.35Turn: ($1,010.45) :club:: (3 players)River: ($1,010.45) :club:: (3 players)DELUSIONALIS showed :ts: :qh:, Hero showed :D: :D:, ALLINJOMPA showed :5c: :3h:, ALLINJOMPA won $500.91ALLINJOMPA won $506.54
I would 4 bet to $200 or so preflop.
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