koopa 0 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($1.44)Hero (SB) ($2.44)BB ($2)UTG ($2.12)UTG+1 ($1.06)MP1 ($2)MP2 ($2.07)CO ($1.97)Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06Flop: ($0.24) J, 8, A(3 players)Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18, 1 foldTurn: ($0.60) 4(2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $0.60, Hero...BB has just joined the table first hand... Link to post Share on other sites
SGFULTON83 0 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Why did you check the turn? I'm probably calling, then c/c the river. You showed incredible weakness by checking the turn so he could/should be betting most anything on this turn. He could have an A or a flush, but this is why you want to bet out on the turn again so we remain in control to better know where we are at in the hand.I probably bet about .40 on the turn folding to a raise. If I'm flatted on the river I probably c/c without any information on villian. This is probably not correct so please correct me if I'm wrong!EDIT: For some reason(poor reading comprehension) I thought this was $10 NL so the stacks were deeper. My bad, disregard that blabble above. Link to post Share on other sites
Syntonic 0 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Why did you check the turn? I'm probably calling, then c/c the river. You showed incredible weakness by checking the turn so he could/should be betting most anything on this turn. He could have an A or a flush, but this is why you want to bet out on the turn again so we remain in control to better know where we are at in the hand.I probably bet about .40 on the turn folding to a raise. If I'm flatted on the river I probably c/c without any information on villian. This is probably not correct so please correct me if I'm wrong!I think check/folding the turn is fine. Check/call if the bet is reasonable, but he's making a pot sized bet - I doubt he would do this with just middle pair.Betting .40 on the turn and check/calling the river as you have described would be essentially putting in our entire stack. Look at the stack sizes.We don't know anything about this guy. I think you should look for a better spot rather than stacking off with kings on an A high board with a made flush. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 listen to SyntonicWe have horrible RIO here, and the only legit draw hit. Why would we call down praying that villain has spazzed out Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 C/f ainecalso when I played 2nl I would make this 12-15c preflop Link to post Share on other sites
SGFULTON83 0 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Yeah, I didn't look at the stack sizes. I'm not bet/folding .40 on the turn after all. Link to post Share on other sites
Stupidhead 2 Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 C/f ainecalso when I played 2nl I would make this 12-15c preflopThis Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 C/F turn. No need to light money on fire. Link to post Share on other sites
koopa 0 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 C/f ainecalso when I played 2nl I would make this 12-15c preflopso make your PP look obvious raising that much? or are you saying raise 5-7 times the BB at all times while playing micro? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 so make your PP look obvious raising that much? or are you saying raise 5-7 times the BB at all times while playing micro?If the players are bad .... we want swollen pots. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 so make your PP look obvious raising that much? or are you saying raise 5-7 times the BB at all times while playing micro?Simply, yes. what is villains range to limp at the micros? Like small pps and like weak AX hands and some suited connectors and stuff... We can crush them BC they don't fold and our range is so lol stronger than theirs and we will play better post flop.If they limp A9 and we raise to 7.5bb and the flop comes 974, what's going to happen? And if it comes A74?Like simply (balugawhale, yo) if we raise large with JJ-AA and just bet/fold every street when we have an over pair you will crush at 2nl IMO Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Making large raises oop at the micros with premium holdings is +ev. Isolating limpers wiith large raises is +ev Link to post Share on other sites
koopa 0 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 Ok thanks for that, it makes sense. Ive seen some pretty poor hole cards on showdowns on micro and it makes sense to isolate those weak hands in a bigger pot, almost always a post flop reraisers are holding big PP 1010-AA or big slick, and they like to get all the chips in there and then. I'm really new to online poker and ring games, so any advice is much appreciated thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I must have Football on the mind. When I saw this thread title I thought of 1993 and 1994. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 i bet 4.5-5 BB preflop, and im cbeting this flop 1/2 pot bc his limp calling range hates this flop a lot, and that turn was a good second barrel for 1/2 pot, fold to a raise, if called c/f river unimproved Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Rumsey b/f this turn is beyond awful Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Rumsey b/f this turn is beyond awfula flush draw hit, we could easily fire a second barrel i mean only monsters call a second barrel then, in which case we know we have almost no way to bluff the river. Im not saying we need to bluff, but if we were inclined to do so, it is a good turn to try and take down that is all Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 a flush draw hit, we could easily fire a second barrel i mean only monsters call a second barrel then, in which case we know we have almost no way to bluff the river. Im not saying we need to bluff, but if we were inclined to do so, it is a good turn to try and take down that is allBetting the turn and then giving up on the river is pretty bad. If you're betting this turn, and turning your hand into a bluff, then we need to bet almost any river as well. Link to post Share on other sites
meservery 0 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I must have Football on the mind. When I saw this thread title I thought of 1993 and 1994.lol. same here. 2 worst years of my life. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Raise bigger preflop.Turn is an easy c/f.I don't mind a c/f on the flop either to be honest, since this flop should hit a lot of BBs range (Ax, suited connectors, suited and unsuited broadways) and we are going to have to c/f a lot of turns. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 a flush draw hit, we could easily fire a second barrel i mean only monsters call a second barrel then, in which case we know we have almost no way to bluff the river. Im not saying we need to bluff, but if we were inclined to do so, it is a good turn to try and take down that is all No, it's actually probably one of the worst. You're turning KK into a bluff here.Others have tried to explain why, but either you didn't read their responses or you're not understanding it.I invite you to really reflect and examine why this is a terrible turn to bet. If you're still not getting it, I'll try to explain it again. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 No, it's actually probably one of the worst. You're turning KK into a bluff here.Others have tried to explain why, but either you didn't read their responses or you're not understanding it.I invite you to really reflect and examine why this is a terrible turn to bet. If you're still not getting it, I'll try to explain it again.LOL good advice ... if you are turning KK into a bluff, it's fold time Link to post Share on other sites
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