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http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/201...senate-bill/?hpAccording to Pelosi, the House WON'T simply pass the Senate bill. Not sure what they are going to do, or what this means for health care reform. I'm glad I have fantastic insurance (for the next few years, at least). It would suck to be poor or to get sick. If I get cancer any time soon, it's really going to bankrupt my family. But I guess that's better than socialism.
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http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/201...senate-bill/?hpAccording to Pelosi, the House WON'T simply pass the Senate bill. Not sure what they are going to do, or what this means for health care reform. I'm glad I have fantastic insurance (for the next few years, at least). It would suck to be poor or to get sick. If I get cancer any time soon, it's really going to bankrupt my family. But I guess that's better than socialism.
In my state, as well as every other one that I know of, there are safety net programs in place for those pesky poor and sick people. Here it's called Cover Colorado, and they accept people with health conditions, who have been declined elsewhere (guarantee issue). It's expensive though, but there is still coverage for everybody who wants it.I think the issue with most younger people is, they've been told that they won't have to pay for anything, which is a completely different argument and discussion that guarantee issue plans and covering everyone.Also, I have a question. If you have fantastic insurance, why would cancer bankrupt you? Don't you have annual out of pocket limits that limit your exposure to such large claims? Are you covered under a group plan or an individual plan by yourself? Am I missing something?
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Also, I have a question. If you have fantastic insurance, why would cancer bankrupt you? Don't you have annual out of pocket limits that limit your exposure to such large claims? Are you covered under a group plan or an individual plan by yourself? Am I missing something?
My situation is unique in that I work for a university that owns several hospitals, so things such as checkups and minor bouts to the emergency room are essentially free (not even a copay). I imagine that my situation now is what it would feel like to live in a country with universal health care: I don't have to fill out forms or anything when I go in for visits, I just show an id, and I don't even get a bill in the mail or deduction in pay.I'm actually not sure how my insurance would react if I needed tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in coverage. Maybe it wouldn't bankrupt me, I hope I don't have to find out.
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I'm actually not sure how my insurance would react if I needed tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in coverage. Maybe it wouldn't bankrupt me, I hope I don't have to find out.
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My situation is unique in that I work for a university that owns several hospitals, so things such as checkups and minor bouts to the emergency room are essentially free (not even a copay). I imagine that my situation now is what it would feel like to live in a country with universal health care: I don't have to fill out forms or anything when I go in for visits, I just show an id, and I don't even get a bill in the mail or deduction in pay.I'm actually not sure how my insurance would react if I needed tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in coverage. Maybe it wouldn't bankrupt me, I hope I don't have to find out.
Sounds like you have fairly fantastic insurance. I would imagine that with a cancer diagnosis, you would pay for your treatment until you've reached your max out of pocket for the year. Usually there is a deductible and then some sort of cost-sharing (coinsurance), usually twice your deductible or so. If you have multiple family members then there could be multiple deductibles that would need to be satisfied.Some plans have lifetime maximums of several million dollars. If you have some horrible longterm form of cancer, you might approach these limits, but based on your comments, I would doubt that your plan has such lifetime limits. You could get ahold of HR or your broker and request a summary plan description or benefit description, or maybe even an additional copy of your actual policy certificate. This document would tell you how something like cancer would be paid.
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I'm glad I have fantastic insurance (for the next few years, at least). It would suck to be poor or to get sick. If I get cancer any time soon, it's really going to bankrupt my family. But I guess that's better than socialism.
To confirm what Jeepster said, in MN, poor people get better coverage than most working people. My middle child is adopted. He was born into the hospital for his first four months. Everything was covered 100% by the state, plus people were coming out of the woodwork to offer help. My next child also spent her first several months in the hospital, and despite being covered by my policy, there were again all sorts of offers to help pay costs.Coverage for the uninsured is not a problem anywhere in the United States.And yes, that is better than socialism. Equal misery is definitely worse than the unequal luxury we have here. True access to non-guaranteed insurance is better than theoretical-only access to "guaranteed" insurance.
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So to review this week in leftist land:1. An unknown with a good smile wins in the most leftist of states by saying "I can stop their crazy plans."2. This kills a government takeover of our health care.3. The Supreme Court decides that "shall pass no law" means "shall pass no law". Leftists are shocked that there is a limit on what they are allowed to do.4. Air America goes bankrupt and shuts down, having run out of ways to say "It's Bush's fault."And all this on Obama's anniversary week. Awwww, so sweet.This is just a taste of things to come this year. Watch for the second amendment and the privileges and immunities clause to be revived this year. Watch for the Dem's to lose a LOT of big names, some to retirement, some to elections, and possibly lose their majority in the house.

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So to review this week in leftist land:1. An unknown with a good smile wins in the most leftist of states by saying "I can stop their crazy plans."2. This kills a government takeover of our health care.3. The Supreme Court decides that "shall pass no law" means "shall pass no law". Leftists are shocked that there is a limit on what they are allowed to do.4. Air America goes bankrupt and shuts down, having run out of ways to say "It's Bush's fault."And all this on Obama's anniversary week. Awwww, so sweet.This is just a taste of things to come this year. Watch for the second amendment and the privileges and immunities clause to be revived this year. Watch for the Dem's to lose a LOT of big names, some to retirement, some to elections, and possibly lose their majority in the house.
Be careful when handicapping politics. Momentum can be fleeting. It was only a few months ago that the Liberals were claiming that the Republican Party was dead. I hope that The Miracle in Mass is a great indicator of things to come, but much of the recent Republican success is more of an indication of the Left's complete arrogance and failure rather than an endorsement of Conservatism or result of the Republican Party doing something well. I am still waiting for a "plan" or message from the Right that is something other than "look how badly the Left is doing stuff". Yeah, that seems to be working, but it is a chickenshit way to succeed.
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Be careful when handicapping politics. Momentum can be fleeting. It was only a few months ago that the Liberals were claiming that the Republican Party was dead. I hope that The Miracle in Mass is a great indicator of things to come, but much of the recent Republican success is more of an indication of the Left's complete arrogance and failure rather than an endorsement of Conservatism or result of the Republican Party doing something well. I am still waiting for a "plan" or message from the Right that is something other than "look how badly the Left is doing stuff". Yeah, that seems to be working, but it is a chickenshit way to succeed.
Yeah, I know. If anyone can take this momentum and turn it into a loss, it's the Republicans.But the revival of the privileges and immunities clause is probably 70-30 chance of happening, and that will be bigger than any election.
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So to review this week in leftist land:1. An unknown with a good smile wins in the most leftist of states by saying "I can stop their crazy plans."2. This kills a government takeover of our health care.3. The Supreme Court decides that "shall pass no law" means "shall pass no law". Leftists are shocked that there is a limit on what they are allowed to do.4. Air America goes bankrupt and shuts down, having run out of ways to say "It's Bush's fault."And all this on Obama's anniversary week. Awwww, so sweet.This is just a taste of things to come this year. Watch for the second amendment and the privileges and immunities clause to be revived this year. Watch for the Dem's to lose a LOT of big names, some to retirement, some to elections, and possibly lose their majority in the house.
From your lips to God's ears!!!!
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Be careful when handicapping politics. Momentum can be fleeting. It was only a few months ago that the Liberals were claiming that the Republican Party was dead. I hope that The Miracle in Mass is a great indicator of things to come, but much of the recent Republican success is more of an indication of the Left's complete arrogance and failure rather than an endorsement of Conservatism or result of the Republican Party doing something well. I am still waiting for a "plan" or message from the Right that is something other than "look how badly the Left is doing stuff". Yeah, that seems to be working, but it is a chickenshit way to succeed.
this is true but when they load the gun and hand it to you...what are you going to do? They make it so easy.
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Be careful when handicapping politics. Momentum can be fleeting. It was only a few months ago that the Liberals were claiming that the Republican Party was dead. I hope that The Miracle in Mass is a great indicator of things to come, but much of the recent Republican success is more of an indication of the Left's complete arrogance and failure rather than an endorsement of Conservatism or result of the Republican Party doing something well. I am still waiting for a "plan" or message from the Right that is something other than "look how badly the Left is doing stuff". Yeah, that seems to be working, but it is a chickenshit way to succeed.
yeah seriously, a black liberal just won North Carolina and Indiana a year ago in a presidential election. The GOP will make serious gains this year and then screw it up somehow. And then the Democrats will screw it up somehow. And so forth. American politics is a big joke. (If you had told me that Obama's big plan for his "electoral mandate" was to try and recreate 1993, I would have told you to stop huffing glue. The lesson as always: I'm an idiot.)Also, Henry, the 2nd amendment was never repealed to the best of my knowledge. And the privileges and immunities clause probably will not be enforced much differently than it is now. Anthony Kennedy is the swing vote and he is not a big P + I guy from past rulings....."3. The Supreme Court decides that "shall pass no law" means "shall pass no law". Leftists are shocked that there is a limit on what they are allowed to do."And, lastly, the founding fathers built the Constitution to change if needed. I am not swayed by the "shall pass no law". There are plenty of things the Constitution said that we ignored or changed over the years on the basis of evolving facts or common sense. Do you think the founding fathers would have been ok with the East India Trading Company coming in with bushels of money and influencing elections for their own gain? There are some things that people in 1776 could not have foreseen....
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There are some things that people in 1776 could not have foreseen....
While I agree that this makes most Liberterians often sound like complete morans, there ARE certain bedrock principles in the Constitution/Bill of Rights.
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While I agree that this makes most Liberterians often sound like complete morans, there ARE certain bedrock principles in the Constitution/Bill of Rights.
I agree but in narrow arenas is where most these changes take place.I will say this for the ban on corporation campaign speech....it seems hypocritical given the existence of corporate taxes. If you want to say that the individuals who make up corporations can only express their campaign thoughts as individuals....then why do we get to tax them as individuals and as a group? That would be an interesting argument to make.
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Also, Henry, the 2nd amendment was never repealed to the best of my knowledge. And the privileges and immunities clause probably will not be enforced much differently than it is now. Anthony Kennedy is the swing vote and he is not a big P + I guy from past rulings.....
The indications are that his views are changing.
And, lastly, the founding fathers built the Constitution to change if needed. I am not swayed by the "shall pass no law". There are plenty of things the Constitution said that we ignored or changed over the years on the basis of evolving facts or common sense. Do you think the founding fathers would have been ok with the East India Trading Company coming in with bushels of money and influencing elections for their own gain? There are some things that people in 1776 could not have foreseen....
Yes, I think the founding fathers believe in free speech, period. That's why it says "shall pass no law" instead of "shall pass no law, except when the speech threatens incumbent election chances."Ideas matter. Debate matters. More debate is better than less -- always, even if you don't like the speaker or their message. Anyone who says otherwise has to be very insecure about the strength of their ideas. I will put my ideas up against anyone, any time, even billion dollar corporations. Why are you afraid?
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The indications are that his views are changing. Yes, I think the founding fathers believe in free speech, period. That's why it says "shall pass no law" instead of "shall pass no law, except when the speech threatens incumbent election chances."Ideas matter. Debate matters. More debate is better than less -- always, even if you don't like the speaker or their message. Anyone who says otherwise has to be very insecure about the strength of their ideas. I will put my ideas up against anyone, any time, even billion dollar corporations. Why are you afraid?
because their ideas will run 24/7 and yours will run for 30 minutes on a cable access network. It's not about ideas it's about how money buys access. It's going to be one-sided debate.
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because their ideas will run 24/7 and yours will run for 30 minutes on a cable access network. It's not about ideas it's about how money buys access. It's going to be one-sided debate.
Maybe your ideas are so bad that nobody with money will support them, but I'm confident mine will prevail.If your ideas are so bad that no successful person supports them, it may be time to re-evaluate your ideas rather than attempt to limit the ideas of your opponents.
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Maybe your ideas are so bad that nobody with money will support them, but I'm confident mine will prevail.If your ideas are so bad that no successful person supports them, it may be time to re-evaluate your ideas rather than attempt to limit the ideas of your opponents.
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Maybe your ideas are so bad that nobody with money will support them, but I'm confident mine will prevail.If your ideas are so bad that no successful person supports them, it may be time to re-evaluate your ideas rather than attempt to limit the ideas of your opponents.
So the richest people support the best ideas?
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So the richest people support the best ideas?
I think that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that if no successful person in a country of 300,000,000 people thinks an idea is worth spreading, then that idea is pretty much useless. On the other side of the coin, over the long run, better ideas and clearer thinking is more likely to spread among successful people than bad ideas and weak thinking.
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