Unintelligent Design

[Mills 0]

entire meaning of evolution.

You have shown time and time again that you have a great understanding of what this is...

[Randy Reed 0]

Nothing you say here is suprising because you have bought into the great lie called evolution.It is strikingly similar to those who are believer's in communism.They are raised in a communist country, have only been taught communism is right and capitalism is bad.As such they pretend all the ills of the world come from the decadence of capitalism, and look for the day when capitalism is replaced with communism.They don't understand that capitalism made this world, and that communism is a parasite sucking off the life of capitalism.They ignore the reality that communism only works on paper and continue to support it, even thgouh everything around them tells them they are believing in a lie.To face this reality is asking a lot of them. But those of us on the other side just shake our heads and wonder how they can be self-decieved. Don't they see that what they believe is obviously wrong? That they are forcing all truth through their shaded glasses of communism and that once those blinders are removed they will see that communism only works on paper?Evolutionist are not different. You see all data after you force it through a pair of evolutionist glasses.You see that throughout nature we never see information added to systems without an outside source of intelligence, yet you keep beliving in the delusion that a simple life form became a highly complex one by random forces with no intent or purpose.You look at all the benefits that your Creator gave you in life and attribute these to time honed developements with a purposeless intention.You seek to gain dominance over the whole world, while you lose your souls.Life did not come from non-lifeSimplicity did not give birth to complexityMan did not accidently appear here for no purpose.You might as well believe that a pile of discarded computer parts not only reassembled themselves into a Cray computer, but that this computer also wrote a program on itself that became self-aware and began to try to deduce where it came from.Even if you allowed for the computer to 'fall together' 'given enough time', you can't explain where the program came from.All you are doing here is trying to pretend that parts of the subroutine you don't like lend proof to the irrational opinion that the program wrote itself.

Nothing you say is surprising here because you're like a parasite that feeds off of others and sucks the lifeblood out of people. Someone says Science, you yell morality. Someone says Evolution you scream it's too complex. Another says Natural selection and you scream communism. You dodge and dart always avoiding facts and perptrating your lies.

It is strikingly similar to those who are believer's in the muslim faith.They are raised in a muslim country, have only been taught the muslim faith is right and christianity is bad.As such they pretend all the ills of the world come from the decadence of christianity, and look for the day when christianity is replaced with the muslim faith.They don't understand that christianity made this world, and that the muslim faith is a parasite sucking off the life out of christianity.They ignore the reality that the muslim faith only works on paper and continue to support it, even thgouh everything around them tells them they are believing in a lie.To face this reality is asking a lot of them. But those of us on the other side just shake our heads and wonder how they can be self-decieved. Don't they see that what they believe is obviously wrong? That they are forcing all truth through their shaded glasses of the muslim faith and that once those blinders are removed they will see that the muslim faith only works on paper?

This is typical of you and religon. Ignore facts, divide and conquer. You believe what you want and then separate and attack anyone not like you. Divide by methodist, catholic, babtist, hindi, muslim, buddhist, etc. Anyone that doesn't believe in your morality can go burn in everlasting hell. Then you like to further separate by politics, Republican vs Democrat, Liberal vs conservative, US vs Europe vs everyone. We show overwelming evidence of evidence to the point that it is no longer a "theory" in the sense of being unproven, but as a theory that is accepted as fact, like the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity but since it would make your "beliefs" wrong, and make no bones about it, you are simply defending your "beliefs" not facts you attack evolution as if it is a religon which it is not. It is strictly science. Whether you like it or not, we share the same genes as fruit flies and rhubarb, polar bears and elm trees. We came from the same gene pool and the same building blocks of life. There is no evidence anyone created, designed or sprinkled magic fairy dust over the particles.

Evolutionist are not different. You see all data after you force it through a pair of evolutionist glasses.You see that throughout nature we never see information added to systems without an outside source of intelligence, yet you keep beliving in the delusion that a simple life form became a highly complex one by random forces with no intent or purpose.You look at all the benefits that your Creator gave you in life and attribute these to time honed developements with a purposeless intention.You seek to gain dominance over the whole world, while you lose your souls.Life did not come from non-lifeSimplicity did not give birth to complexityMan did not accidently appear here for no purpose.

Evolutionist just look at facts without deluding oneself into believing it's anything other than what it is. You always bring up the arguement for complexity which has been blown out of the water on so many occasions it's hardly worth repeating. It just shows how irrational your religon tends to mold you. The benefits of the creator? Um, what benefits would those be? Last I checked i'm on the same planet as you? Air, water, what? What did your creator give me? I think this is where crow yells, cultspeak. Then you move onto the whole "world dominence" thing. WTF are you talking about? What the world domince of the Christians? The Muslims? Who? Isn't that what you are fighting over? Isnt' that what you want for Christianity? For everyone to believe in "your" morality because an ancient book, written in an ancient language with no vowels that even the most learned scholars on the planet can't agree on what the hell it says?You act like people can only understand morality through "your" rose colored glasses, yet your morality incites, attacks and divides. Most people can't even openly admit that they believe in evolution and doubt God's existence without someone like you deomonzing them and having their family, job, friends and others threaten, ostrazice or be prejudiced. Admiting to athiesm or admitting to believing the fact of evolution is akin to being any other prejudiced group in American and your at at it's core, the evil, the divider. You are at best an equal to the communist you despise.Creator, souls, booga booga, cultspeak, hate the others, follow the shoe, ingore science, instill fear and hatred. Ban the books. Yeah, I get it. I understand where the evil comes from.

[Balloon guy 158]

well, man made genetic engeneering isn't exactly NATURAL selection, is it?

With that logic then man putting on animal furs interfered with natural selection.All my life I've heard about how man supposedly lost many of his animal senses, like smell and hearing because our brains grew bigger and our thumbs were opposed.If our brains becoming bigger was a factor in what natural selection 'took away' in the past, then why would you want to argue that our abilities to 'adapt' to our surroundings are unnatural just because we use a microscope and a chemical splicer? I guess is you want to claim that this is not true, then you will have bigger arguments from your side than from mine.

[Balloon guy 158]

You have shown time and time again that you have a great understanding of what this is...

I understand it completely and am honest in what it is.The irrational ones like you are the ones who dance back and forth between acting like there is a purpose, while claiming there isn't one.I just refuse to paint it in the rosy colors you guys need to allow yourselves to continue to believe in the delusion.

[Mills 0]

With that logic then man putting on animal furs interfered with natural selection.

yea, that's exactly the same logic....

[Mills 0]

I understand it completely and am honest in what it is.

I could probably dig up 100 or so posts that say otherwise... on both counts.

[Randy Reed 0]

There is no logic to your comparison.Evolution teaches that certain traits are desirable, that other ones are not.We breed many animals to get the traits we think are better, and try to breed out the traits we don't like.Why is doing that to humans different?Don't couples who go to get invitro do this by selecting one or both of the contributors for their child? Are they not practicing a mild example of eugenics?I understand your repulsive reflex here, you have inside you a God given sense of right and wrong.But on paper, either we protect the gene pool, or we become what the movie Idiocracy predicted. As long as we are randomly formed life forms with equal value to a tree in terms of purpose and value., then the act of eugenics is nothing more than natural selection rearing her amoral head and trying to create the best life form it can through the tools at hand. To deny that is to be irrational to the entire meaning of evolution.

I won't disagree that what we do with the knowledge doesn't have moral and ethical questions. I believe that being sensible and discussing the issues along with having a democratic consensus and open debate will lead to the right answers. I certainly value life and it's future way to much to risk it for future generations so that they can enjoy the grandeur this planet offers. But again, we understand the gene pool and can do this already and really has nothing to do with whether evolution is real or not. The fact you admit it is possible kinda confirms what we've been saying, evolution has no "meaning" in your morality sense anymore than multiplication does. You admit to the gene pool and our understanding of it.

[Mills 0]

The irrational ones like you are the ones who dance back and forth between acting like there is a purpose, while claiming there isn't one.

Depends what you mean by 'purpose.' Natural selection helps organisms survive, that's the purpose it serves. If by purpose you mean 'higher purpose' then no, there isn't one. And it's people like you who think that if there is no greater meaning to life then it's not worth living... You need to feel like there is some sort of grand purpose, and religion fits quite nicely for people who want to believe that.

[Balloon guy 158]

Nothing you say is surprising here because you're like a parasite that feeds off of others and sucks the lifeblood out of people. Someone says Science, you yell morality. Someone says Evolution you scream it's too complex. Another says Natural selection and you scream communism. You dodge and dart always avoiding facts and perptrating your lies.

This doesn't make sense. My worldview has a consitant track record of being a boon to society, yours has no track record at all of perpetuating anything but itself.

This is typical of you and religon. Ignore facts, divide and conquer. You believe what you want and then separate and attack anyone not like you. Divide by methodist, catholic, babtist, hindi, muslim, buddhist, etc. Anyone that doesn't believe in your morality can go burn in everlasting hell. Then you like to further separate by politics, Republican vs Democrat, Liberal vs conservative, US vs Europe vs everyone.

Yea, cause you guys are all about inclusion...This very thread is about your irrational need to tell others why they are wrong. It doesn't affect you in anyway what others believe but because of your delusional need for being right, you have sought to tell other who believe something different that they are wrong, and your implication of our level of intelligence just clarifies your motives.

We show overwelming evidence of evidence to the point that it is no longer a "theory" in the sense of being unproven, but as a theory that is accepted as fact, like the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity but since it would make your "beliefs" wrong, and make no bones about it, you are simply defending your "beliefs" not facts you attack evolution as if it is a religon which it is not. It is strictly science. Whether you like it or not, we share the same genes as fruit flies and rhubarb, polar bears and elm trees. We came from the same gene pool and the same building blocks of life. There is no evidence anyone created, designed or sprinkled magic fairy dust over the particles.

Any person who claims evolution is a proven fact removes themselves from the ability to call themselves a scientist or a thinker.

Evolutionist just look at facts without deluding oneself into believing it's anything other than what it is. You always bring up the arguement for complexity which has been blown out of the water on so many occasions it's hardly worth repeating. It just shows how irrational your religon tends to mold you. The benefits of the creator? Um, what benefits would those be? Last I checked i'm on the same planet as you? Air, water, what? What did your creator give me? I think this is where crow yells, cultspeak. Then you move onto the whole "world dominence" thing. WTF are you talking about? What the world domince of the Christians? The Muslims? Who? Isn't that what you are fighting over? Isnt' that what you want for Christianity? For everyone to believe in "your" morality because an ancient book, written in an ancient language with no vowels that even the most learned scholars on the planet can't agree on what the hell it says?

Your ignorance of the Bible and Christianity can be the only excuse I can come up with for what you are saying, because none of it makes sense.Greek has lots of vowels, and 99.99999% of any scholars knows exactly what the Bible says. Of the over 1,000 translations of teh Bible out there, none of them change the message at all. In fact only lazy thinkers could ever buy into that tired old dodge of pretending that we don't know what the Bible says.And btw you stole most of my 'descriptions' there because like most evolutionist, you can only survive by stealing from Christians.

You act like people can only understand morality through "your" rose colored glasses, yet your morality incites, attacks and divides. Most people can't even openly admit that they believe in evolution and doubt God's existence without someone like you deomonzing them and having their family, job, friends and others threaten, ostrazice or be prejudiced. Admiting to athiesm or admitting to believing the fact of evolution is akin to being any other prejudiced group in American and your at at it's core, the evil, the divider. You are at best an equal to the communist you despise.

Tehr are only two types of countries where being an athiest is not a reason to have you punished, in Christian based ones, and in communist ones.But if you believe in Christianity, you sure don't want to live in a communist country...seeing as how thy kill them for believing in God.But continue to lie to yourself that's its the Christians that are bad, it's the only way you can make the above statements...if you lie to yourself.

Creator, souls, booga booga, cultspeak, hate the others, follow the shoe, ingore science, instill fear and hatred. Ban the books. Yeah, I get it. I understand where the evil comes from.

It's okay comrade...they'll get what's coming to them in the revolution.....We just need to do it right this time.

[Mills 0]

Any person who claims evolution is a proven fact removes themselves from the ability to call themselves a scientist or a thinker..

This spells trouble for 99.9 pct of the scientific community.

[Balloon guy 158]

I could probably dig up 100 or so posts that say otherwise... on both counts.

See I would bet you can't.This has become an old wive's fable, that I don't understand evolution. It's been thrown around as a dodge for so long that everyone believes it.It's kind of a good example of group-think.

[Balloon guy 158]

I won't disagree that what we do with the knowledge doesn't have moral and ethical questions. I believe that being sensible and discussing the issues along with having a democratic consensus and open debate will lead to the right answers. I certainly value life and it's future way to much to risk it for future generations so that they can enjoy the grandeur this planet offers. But again, we understand the gene pool and can do this already and really has nothing to do with whether evolution is real or not. The fact you admit it is possible kinda confirms what we've been saying, evolution has no "meaning" in your morality sense anymore than multiplication does. You admit to the gene pool and our understanding of it.

The gene pool is being deluded, and has been since Adam and Eve.We are not evolving, we are devolving.Bad things are being added to our matrix, and as such our make up is becoming worseIt's only a matter of time before an ebola or swine flu takes us all out.They are getting nastier everyday, and you add in the intentional manipulations by man...our lives on earth are numbered

[Mills 0]

This has become an old wive's fable, that I don't understand evolution. It's been thrown around as a dodge for so long that everyone believes it.

it's incredibly clear that you don't understand evolution...you've admitted as much... and, furthermore, that you have no interest in learning about it.

[Balloon guy 158]

Depends what you mean by 'purpose.' Natural selection helps organisms survive, that's the purpose it serves. If by purpose you mean 'higher purpose' then no, there isn't one. And it's people like you who think that if there is no greater meaning to life then it's not worth living... You need to feel like there is some sort of grand purpose, and religion fits quite nicely for people who want to believe that.

Why do you guys always fall into the tired old straw man dodges of "You christians say that without purpose we all must become child molesters or life is not worth living"It is possible to discuss the notion that if there is no 'higher purpose' than there is also no reason to not live selfishly. In fact the reasons to life a selfish life are equally of value to those who choose to live a self-less life. At the end there is no higher standard for you o judge either way.You can face this reality without having to mean therefore you must become a democrat anarchist.Just don't get upset when the math proves that becoming a child molester is equal in value as becoming a doctor.

[Mills 0]

It's only a matter of time before an ebola or swine flu takes us all out.

Unless of course, the evil evolutionist scientists can save us.

[Balloon guy 158]

it's incredibly clear that you don't understand evolution...you've admitted as much... and, furthermore, that you have no interest in learning about it.

So you're not going to 'show me' or prove it, you're just going to go on telling the fable as if it's true.I guess if I was in your shoes that would be my only option too.

[Balloon guy 158]

Unless of course, the evil evolutionist scientists can save us.

Or weaponizes the virus for evil amoral intentions

[Mills 0]

of "You christians say that without purpose we all must become child molesters or life is not worth living"Just don't get upset when the math proves that becoming a child molester is equal in value as becoming a doctor.

1. Nobody said this but you2. Becoming a doctor helps promote the survival of the spieces... while a child molester promotes anti social behavior that is detremental to a society's progress.

[Balloon guy 158]

This spells trouble for 99.9 pct of the scientific community.

I think there might be a few more than .01% who don't live in a dogmatic verbal world and actually hold to the idea that science is about searching for truth, not declaring absolutes.

[Balloon guy 158]

1. Nobody said this but you2. Becoming a doctor helps promote the survival of the spieces... while a child molester promotes anti social behavior that is detremental to a society's progress.

In fact you said this, and others have said this many times in the past in this section.The survival of the species then is your 'higher purpose' that dictates our actions?

[Mills 0]

In fact you said this, and others have said this many times in the past in this section.The survival of the species then is your 'higher purpose' that dictates our actions?

I never said aanything about "child molesters" not sure where you got this from.It is the sole purpose. But it is not 'higher' in a moralistic sense.

[Balloon guy 158]

I never said aanything about "child molesters" not sure where you got this from.

Others have.

It is the sole purpose. But it is not 'higher' in a moralistic sense.

So homosexuality goes against the only purpose we have for life?

[Mills 0]

Others have.So homosexuality goes against the only purpose we have for life?

1. yea, but you said that I said it. Score another one for you.2. To be honest, that's beyond the scope of my knowledge... ask VB. my first instinct would be to say no, as.. of course, it's still around. There are some studies that suggest that genes relating to homosexuality are beneficial because, when women inherit male homosexual genes, they become more attracted to men, and vice versa which leads to more reproduction.

[Balloon guy 158]

1. yea, but you said that I said it. Score another one for you.

No I said you said 'life not worth living' and others said the child molester part.You got it wrong and think you won so you won't release it. This is a pattern.

2. To be honest, that's beyond the scope of my knowledge... ask VB. my first instinct would be to say no, as.. of course, it's still around. There are some studies that suggest that genes relating to homosexuality are beneficial because, when women inherit male homosexual genes, they become more attracted to men, and vice versa which leads to more reproduction.

So the pretend homosexual gene is really just a gene that makes you want to have sex with men?And the lesbian one causes the men to want to finaly have sex with women?So the natural desire to procreate needs to have a genetic backdoor way to influence sex? By creating a gene that makes men want to have sex with men,then gives it to women? Because this is the most natural way to get men to want to have sex wih women?You have declared the only reason for existance is to pro-create.How can you now claim that this isn't your area of expertise?What nuance is there? Either we have this single lone purpose for esistance, or you were wrong and are unable to admit it

[Mills 0]

You have declared the only reason for existance is to pro-create.What nuance is there? Either we have this single lone purpose for esistance, or you were wrong and are unable to admit it

No, I said a the driving force behind what we do concerns the protection and survival of the species... I never said that is the reason why we as a species exist... I don't think there is a reason beyond evolutionI am not 100 pct sure on how homosexuality factors in. ANd instead of pretending to know the answer ( as you usually do) I have no problem admitting that are certain things I'm not sure aboutAgain, never said it was the purpose of existance...