Sng Grinder Thread

[jmbreslin 0]

Please go somewhere else if you're going to not read the thread, post irrelevant content, and then post with an inflammatory attitude like this. The group was not having a problem with unconverted preflop HHs, everyone isn't going to change what was working to accommodate you. The question at hand is perfectly clear.

I personally prefer converted hands, just saying. All you have to do is delete the stuff you don't want after you convert.

[outsider13 0]

PokerStars Game #37751975443: Tournament #229337990, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2010/01/06 13:08:35 PT [2010/01/06 16:08:35 ET]Table '229337990 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: tchoby (3880 in chips) Seat 2: tfree1959 (3070 in chips) Seat 3: lil craig (3375 in chips) Seat 4: jaymay4444 (5230 in chips) Seat 5: Ghome (2350 in chips) Seat 6: BBsRJReich (1875 in chips) Seat 7: racingnurse (1245 in chips) Seat 8: Zippus (4325 in chips) Seat 9: lucAAs57 (2985 in chips) tchoby: posts the ante 25tfree1959: posts the ante 25lil craig: posts the ante 25jaymay4444: posts the ante 25Ghome: posts the ante 25BBsRJReich: posts the ante 25racingnurse: posts the ante 25Zippus: posts the ante 25lucAAs57: posts the ante 25Ghome: posts small blind 200BBsRJReich: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to BBsRJReich [Qc 3c]racingnurse: raises 820 to 1220 and is all-inZippus: folds lucAAs57: folds tchoby: folds tfree1959: folds lil craig: folds jaymay4444: folds Ghome: folds BBsRJReich: ??????????????

This is arguably the most tilting situation in sngs.

[outsider13 0]

I personally prefer converted hands, just saying. All you have to do is delete the stuff you don't want after you convert.

Yeah, I agree

[jmbreslin 0]

PokerStars Game #37782122969: Tournament #229546911, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2010/01/07 14:22:39 CET [2010/01/07 8:22:39 ET]Table '229546911 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 4: FiveStonez (17665 in chips) Seat 8: Eba12 (38335 in chips) Seat 9: klenczon (11500 in chips) FiveStonez: posts the ante 100Eba12: posts the ante 100klenczon: posts the ante 100FiveStonez: posts small blind 1000Eba12: posts big blind 2000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Eba12 [4h 4s]klenczon: folds FiveStonez: raises 15565 to 17565 and is all-inEba12: calls 15565*** FLOP *** [Kc Td 7h]*** TURN *** [Kc Td 7h] [Ad]*** RIVER *** [Kc Td 7h Ad] [Jh]*** SHOW DOWN ***FiveStonez: shows [9c Jc] (a pair of Jacks)Eba12: shows [4h 4s] (a pair of Fours)FiveStonez collected 35430 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 35430 | Rake 0 Board [Kc Td 7h Ad Jh]Seat 4: FiveStonez (small blind) showed [9c Jc] and won (35430) with a pair of JacksSeat 8: Eba12 (big blind) showed [4h 4s] and lost with a pair of FoursSeat 9: klenczon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Not sure if i should have made this call thinking off maybe protecting my stack a bit more.Btw do you guys just keep shoving your whole range if u get headsup? Or change your game there and actually see some flops? edit: manage to get first on the same tourney fivestonez finished second =)

Protecting your stack when you're in the final 3 of a 45-man? Nah, you're going for the win. The call is fine, he's shoving a wide range and you'll be a flip fav over a good portion of the range he's shoving. The times he shows up with a bigger PP are also balanced against the times he's shoving hands like A2, A3, K2s, etc., and you're actually a bigger fav than a flip.As for heads-up, I'm usually shoving/folding because the blinds tend to be so high at that point (assuming a turbo). But sometimes you'll find yourself with fairly even stacks, both with >10BB, and then sometimes I'll use the minraise instead.

[outsider13 0]

Damn, I think you're right. Any idea if there is a way to do something similar in PT3? I'm curious to see how often I'm getting it in good.

Download custom stats here. You can get a stat called "Tournament All-Ins Preflop"

[RakeMyBlind 0]

just fold the 9's to that guys spazz shove in that hand posted earlier. also I thought it was allowed to use SS now since they have that opt-in system going?

I guess I need to e-mail Tilt/Stars support and find out for sure.

Both Stars and Tilt confirmed it's illegal to use Sharkscope while playing.

[outsider13 0]

Both Stars and Tilt confirmed it's illegal to use Sharkscope while playing.

Fwiw, I've never heard of a case where they've actually enforced the rule. I've heard of tilt trying to enforce the poker table ratings, but that's it.

[Eba12 0]

Is pokertracker allowed? Cause I like the HUD display things. Just so I get a bit more attention without watching my table all the time. And what exactly is sng wizard for kinda program? Its just analyzing tournaments AFTER you played them? Or does it work realtime aswell?

[outsider13 0]

Is pokertracker allowed? Cause I like the HUD display things. Just so I get a bit more attention without watching my table all the time. And what exactly is sng wizard for kinda program? Its just analyzing tournaments AFTER you played them? Or does it work realtime aswell?

Yes, poker tracker is allowed, because it's a database of hands that you've played. You have the right to that information. Sharing databases on the other hand is not allowed.SNG wizard is for analyzing ICM. It is for analyzing after you have played, not during gameplay. It does not work in real time.

[RakeMyBlind 0]

This is early in a micro 6-handed Turbo SNG. No reads/previous experience with villian. I would like feedback on what line most people take with mid-pairs in early position. Is it OK to standard open here, or would limping be better? Is open folding here OK? Any feedback/advice would be welcome. As played, after my standard raise this is easy shove/fold and generally I fold in these spots. Is that good thinking not to want to be racing(at best) this early? Wow, I just asked alot of questions! Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1235)BB (t1475)UTG (t1480)Hero (MP) (t1455)CO (t1475)Button (t1880)Hero's M: 48.50Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 91 fold, Hero bets t60, 1 fold, Button raises to t210, 2 folds, Hero ???

[GOCUBSGO 77]

I like the standard open raise in a situation like this and def folding to the reraise. No need to race this early in the tournament. Limping is meh ok but I think raising > limping > open folding.

[outsider13 0]

This is early in a micro 6-handed Turbo SNG. No reads/previous experience with villian. I would like feedback on what line most people take with mid-pairs in early position. Is it OK to standard open here, or would limping be better? Is open folding here OK? Any feedback/advice would be welcome. As played, after my standard raise this is easy shove/fold and generally I fold in these spots. Is that good thinking not to want to be racing(at best) this early? Wow, I just asked alot of questions! Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1235)BB (t1475)UTG (t1480)Hero (MP) (t1455)CO (t1475)Button (t1880)Hero's M: 48.50Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 91 fold, Hero bets t60, 1 fold, Button raises to t210, 2 folds, Hero ???

I limp a lot of pairs early, although i play 9man stts. I'm never open folding. Raising isn't bad considering it's 6man. Not sure what would be optimal, but by default I would limp.As played, this is too much to call this early so dump it.

[Eba12 0]

I tend to limp 22-JJ early on but I play mostly 45s turbo and just dump pairs if u dont make the set.

[lurbz 2]

I limp a lot of pairs early, although i play 9man stts. I'm never open folding. Raising isn't bad considering it's 6man. Not sure what would be optimal, but by default I would limp.As played, this is too much to call this early so dump it.

Eh, it's a setmine spot imo, but we are trapped on any 8 high or worse flop as he could have AK/AQ in a 6max and it could be painful.

[HighwayStar 8]

PokerStars Game #37773510372: Tournament #229490910, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2010/01/06 22:18:55 PT [2010/01/07 1:18:55 ET]Table '229490910 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: Hoogmeister (3045 in chips) Seat 2: CGLC (4371 in chips) Seat 3: HittinChills (10423 in chips) Seat 4: Kaister 74 (2215 in chips) Seat 6: BBsRJReich (7843 in chips) Seat 7: budhalover (3370 in chips) Seat 8: 7lucas7 (5185 in chips) Seat 9: swivet (2223 in chips) Hoogmeister: posts the ante 50CGLC: posts the ante 50HittinChills: posts the ante 50Kaister 74: posts the ante 50BBsRJReich: posts the ante 50budhalover: posts the ante 507lucas7: posts the ante 50swivet: posts the ante 507lucas7: posts small blind 300swivet: posts big blind 600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to BBsRJReich [As Kd]Hoogmeister: folds CGLC: folds HittinChills: raises 9773 to 10373 and is all-inKaister 74: folds BBsRJReich: ????????????????

I call putting most people on 55-JJ AQ/AJ/AK/KQ maybe more. I think most people standard raise QQ+ b/c they are hilarious.I think there are a ton more combos of unpaired hands than pairs.

PokerStars Game #37782122969: Tournament #229546911, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2010/01/07 14:22:39 CET [2010/01/07 8:22:39 ET]Table '229546911 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 4: FiveStonez (17665 in chips) Seat 8: Eba12 (38335 in chips) Seat 9: klenczon (11500 in chips) FiveStonez: posts the ante 100Eba12: posts the ante 100klenczon: posts the ante 100FiveStonez: posts small blind 1000Eba12: posts big blind 2000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Eba12 [4h 4s]

snap call, win a flip most of the time and then procedewin the tournament about 80% of the time.

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1235)BB (t1475)UTG (t1480)Hero (MP) (t1455)CO (t1475)Button (t1880)Hero's M: 48.50Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 9

shove or fold. I'd usually fold unless he was a maniac. I might call in position

[outsider13 0]

Eh, it's a setmine spot imo, but we are trapped on any 8 high or worse flop as he could have AK/AQ in a 6max and it could be painful.

More the reason to limp and call the 60 or 80 chip raise.

[lurbz 2]

More the reason to limp and call the 60 or 80 chip raise.

Yeah, but even as played it looks like a setmine to me.

[Acekob 0]

PokerStars Game #37800377074: Tournament #229682235, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/01/07 15:31:52 ETTable '229682235 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: Acekob (1385 in chips) Seat 2: Chaos1311 (1775 in chips) Seat 3: Mephi665 (3185 in chips) Seat 4: Golly13 (2730 in chips) Seat 5: TheClaudius (1750 in chips) Seat 7: sajo71 (2830 in chips) Seat 8: ggunnars (1960 in chips) Seat 9: mike1729 (2380 in chips) mike1729: posts small blind 75Acekob: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Acekob [8s 9s]Chaos1311: folds Mephi665: folds Golly13: calls 150TheClaudius: folds sajo71: folds ggunnars: calls 150mike1729: folds Acekob:

[lurbz 2]

PokerStars Game #37800377074: Tournament #229682235, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/01/07 15:31:52 ETTable '229682235 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: Acekob (1385 in chips) Seat 2: Chaos1311 (1775 in chips) Seat 3: Mephi665 (3185 in chips) Seat 4: Golly13 (2730 in chips) Seat 5: TheClaudius (1750 in chips) Seat 7: sajo71 (2830 in chips) Seat 8: ggunnars (1960 in chips) Seat 9: mike1729 (2380 in chips) mike1729: posts small blind 75Acekob: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Acekob [8s 9s]Chaos1311: folds Mephi665: folds Golly13: calls 150TheClaudius: folds sajo71: folds ggunnars: calls 150mike1729: folds Acekob:

check, there's no antes, not worth it to try a move like this yet. you're only gaining 425 and putting a lot of risk if they snap off. if you flop something you can jam it.

[supfreak26 0]

Hey everyone! Noob to the board here.I am happy to see a thread like this as I love playing SNG's and I'm attempting to build my BR in 2010. I'm starting out at $30 and I'm looking to build it up as high as I can. I don't have a ton of time to play so I'm not setting any time limits. My ultimate goal would be to build my BR to play $11 and $22 SnG's. 45 man tourneys are my bread and butter and I'm currently grinding the $.25 SnG's on Pokerstars. I'm looking at moving up levels when I reach 40-50 BI's. I will move down when necessary. I'm staying away from turbos because I suck at them. I know the rake sucks at $1.20 but I can't wait to get there. These quarter tourneys are killing me!

[jmbreslin 0]

check, there's no antes, not worth it to try a move like this yet. you're only gaining 425 and putting a lot of risk if they snap off. if you flop something you can jam it.

Agree, though it might be worth it at 100/200 without antes.

[jmbreslin 0]

Hey everyone! Noob to the board here.I am happy to see a thread like this as I love playing SNG's and I'm attempting to build my BR in 2010. I'm starting out at $30 and I'm looking to build it up as high as I can. I don't have a ton of time to play so I'm not setting any time limits. My ultimate goal would be to build my BR to play $11 and $22 SnG's. 45 man tourneys are my bread and butter and I'm currently grinding the $.25 SnG's on Pokerstars. I'm looking at moving up levels when I reach 40-50 BI's. I will move down when necessary. I'm staying away from turbos because I suck at them. I know the rake sucks at $1.20 but I can't wait to get there. These quarter tourneys are killing me!

Good luck. You play regular speed 45's? Man that must be painful. Once you get a taste of turbos you'll wonder how you ever had the patience for regular SnGs. I prefer regulars myself but you can play twice as many turbos in the same time.Anyway, since everyone is posting their goals I might as well do the same. Goal for January is to play at least 100 $3.40 STTs and finish with an ROI of at least 5%, while throwing in some $3.25 45's here and there. Stars bankroll is only ~$135 at this point (got mixed up between my Stars and Tilt rolls in an earlier post) so I need to stick with the $3's for a while before I can move up.

[Acekob 0]

PokerStars Game #37802381537: Tournament #229680965, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2010/01/07 16:07:23 ETTable '229680965 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: Greeson08 (11013 in chips) Seat 2: Flyp03 (15018 in chips) Seat 5: Acekob (23283 in chips) Seat 6: Kayatoplus (4554 in chips) Seat 8: GUAZZELLI (13632 in chips) Greeson08: posts the ante 75Flyp03: posts the ante 75Acekob: posts the ante 75Kayatoplus: posts the ante 75GUAZZELLI: posts the ante 75GUAZZELLI: posts small blind 800Greeson08: posts big blind 1600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Acekob [Ts Td]Flyp03: raises 13343 to 14943 and is all-inAcekob:Villain barely played a pot so far at the FT.

[lurbz 2]

[brag]beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t75/t150 - 6 playersUTG+1: t3,143 (Hero)CO: t2,274 Button: t1,350 SB: t1,975 BB: t4,953 UTG: t2,730 Preflop: (t225) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to t450, 3 folds, BB calls t300Flop: (t975) (2 players)BB bets t450, Hero calls t450Turn: (t1,875) (2 players)BB bets t450, Hero calls t450River: (t2,775) (2 players)BB bets t3603 and is all-in, Hero calls t1793 and is all-inHero showed , and won (6361) with two pair, Jacks and FivesBB showed , and lost with two pair, Jacks and FivesHero won t6361[/brag]

[lurbz 2]

PokerStars Game #37802381537: Tournament #229680965, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2010/01/07 16:07:23 ETTable '229680965 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: Greeson08 (11013 in chips) Seat 2: Flyp03 (15018 in chips) Seat 5: Acekob (23283 in chips) Seat 6: Kayatoplus (4554 in chips) Seat 8: GUAZZELLI (13632 in chips) Greeson08: posts the ante 75Flyp03: posts the ante 75Acekob: posts the ante 75Kayatoplus: posts the ante 75GUAZZELLI: posts the ante 75GUAZZELLI: posts small blind 800Greeson08: posts big blind 1600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Acekob [Ts Td]Flyp03: raises 13343 to 14943 and is all-inAcekob:Villain barely played a pot so far at the FT.

Snapcall.Plus you have Greeson @ your table (No clue why he's in $6.50s right now, he's a known $12-$36 grinder) so your edge isn't huge at this table.