Sng Grinder Thread

[Acekob 0]

What kind of tourney is this?First hand; you have an ace and a king bruh, doubt I can fold that pf.Second hand; Having under 5bbs left and being in the bb HU you pretty much got the nuts. Shove it in and hope for the best. You got unlucky, but played it fine.

[Rawrr 0]

What kind of tourney is this?First hand; you have an ace and a king bruh, doubt I can fold that pf.Second hand; Having under 5bbs left and being in the bb HU you pretty much got the nuts. Shove it in and hope for the best. You got unlucky, but played it fine.

Yeah, I couldn't fold it either. The only reason I thought about it was because I thought it's likely that if one shoved and the other called, he either had a decent pair, or at least an ace which would lower my chances of hitting one. But I don't think I was wrong calling there :PThat was some half-assed MTT on some site that nobody goes to. Like 200 people+- 1$+rebuy 1k gtd

[custom36 4]

We are all shortstacked, like 6-10 BB, and someone with a decent stacked raised, and another reraised. I had AKo in button and I thought about it because we were just on the bubble, but I figured I would play it. They turned over TT and KK and I turned an Ace. Would I have been wrong to make that fold there against two people? I figured best case scenario is atleast 1 pocket pair and I didn't really feel like a flip.

At 6-10 BB's, you can't fold AK pretty much ever. That's more of a "deepstacked-3-all-in-ahead" kind of move. I've done it, but never in that spot.When it gets to higher blinds and money implications, people too often tighten up. I think you need to get to that level where your stack in relation to the blinds and your opponents' play are really all that matters. Don't (ever, ever) allow the results of previous hands to influence your decisions. I know - much easier said than done. But it's crucial that you think about it like that.

[Eba12 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP3 (t890)CO (t1780)Hero (Button) (t3505)SB (t935)BB (t6960)UTG (t1470)UTG+1 (t1480)MP1 (t1500)MP2 (t1450)Hero's M: 77.89Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J1 fold, UTG+1 bets t210, 4 folds, Hero calls t210, 2 foldsFlop: (t465) 8, 7, 9(2 players)Total pot: t465Wasnt sure what to do here at first pf since I didnt want to risk to much of my stack this early on.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 (t10741)Hero (CO) (t13425)Button (t2674)SB (t7420)BB (t10261)UTG (t13364)UTG+1 (t3480)MP1 (t6135)Hero's M: 5.59Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K4 folds, Hero bets t3600, 2 folds, BB raises to t10186 (All-In), Hero calls t6586Flop: (t21572) 6, 10, 4(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t21572) Q(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t21572) 2(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: t21572PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP1 (t10666)Hero (MP2) (t3164)CO (t2599)Button (t6745)SB (t21572)BB (t13289)UTG (t3405)UTG+1 (t6060)Hero's M: 1.32Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3, 32 folds, MP1 calls t1200, Hero bets t3089 (All-In), 3 folds, BB raises to t4978, 1 foldFlop: (t8578) Q, 7, J(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t8578) 2(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t8578) 4(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: t8578no idea why it doesnt show but both times went up against aces =((((((((

[Rawrr 0]

I have a question that may seem stupid, but it's how you learn, right?I was in some 45 man turbo, blinds were 50/100 with no ante and I picked up AQo in UTG with about 19 or 20 big blinds and I wasn't quite sure what to do. If I raised 4x and missed, I would be losing a pretty big chunk of my stack, however if I shove, I am risking my tournament life for 1.5 big blinds because there is no ante.I guess my question is, how does your range change from play before the antes kick in to after?

[Eba12 0]

I would probably limp it, since ur out of position aswell. Its not worth the risk. I play really tight untill I get around 15 bb and then start shoving. Before the antes set mine and AK AA KK QQ.

[Rawrr 0]

This converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.25) t400/t800 ante t50 - 8 playersSB: t13,470 BB: t2,605 (Hero)UTG: t14,755 UTG+1: t8,410 MP: t9,540 HJ: t1,360 CO: t11,380 Button: t5,980 Preflop: (t1,600) Hero is BB with (8 players)4 folds, CO raises to t2400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t2555 and is all-in, CO calls t155Flop: (t5,910) (2 players)Turn: (t5,910) (2 players)River: (t5,910) (2 players)I was unsure about this. I like KQs in that spot, but there are 8 people left and the top 7 get paid. Going for the win is always nice, but it was pretty likely that the other shortstack would be eliminated before me. Is folding here ever right, or did I play it fine?

[HighwayStar 8]

I have a question that may seem stupid, but it's how you learn, right?I was in some 45 man turbo, blinds were 50/100 with no ante and I picked up AQo in UTG with about 19 or 20 big blinds and I wasn't quite sure what to do. If I raised 4x and missed, I would be losing a pretty big chunk of my stack, however if I shove, I am risking my tournament life for 1.5 big blinds because there is no ante.I guess my question is, how does your range change from play before the antes kick in to after?

pre ante I think shoving is pretty questionable. Just raise/call or fold accordingly.post antes shoving can be good, i'd probably still go for a raise/call in general being better. In bubble situations I'd probably add it to my jamming range from this spot. You are rarely 19 BB effective on bubbles though.

This converter is going to be a cash cow...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($3.00+$0.25) t400/t800 ante t50 - 8 playersSB: t13,470 BB: t2,605 (Hero)UTG: t14,755 UTG+1: t8,410 MP: t9,540 HJ: t1,360 CO: t11,380 Button: t5,980 Preflop: (t1,600) Hero is BB with (8 players)4 folds, CO raises to t2400, 2 folds, Hero raises to t2555 and is all-in, CO calls t155

Yea you can't fold here despite the shorter stack. I'd probably fold a few hands here but KQs is way too strong.

[Rawrr 0]

What do I do when someone minraises?I was on a final table of an 18 man turbo and the person to my right kept minraising. I was UTG+1 with AJs and 12BB and was planning to shove 7 handed, but he minraised and I was unsure so I folded. A few hands later we were 6 handed and I had 89s on the button with 8 BB and was planning on shoving that too when he minraised again.How should I react when people minraise? If I don't have many hands on them, should I see it as weak like a limp, or strong like a shove?

[babylondonks 5]

I wouldn't see it as either, a lot of regs minraise or raise very small as a standard once the antes kick in

[outsider13 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP3 (t890)CO (t1780)Hero (Button) (t3505)SB (t935)BB (t6960)UTG (t1470)UTG+1 (t1480)MP1 (t1500)MP2 (t1450)Hero's M: 77.89Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J1 fold, UTG+1 bets t210, 4 folds, Hero calls t210, 2 foldsFlop: (t465) 8, 7, 9(2 players)Total pot: t465Wasnt sure what to do here at first pf since I didnt want to risk to much of my stack this early on.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 (t10741)Hero (CO) (t13425)Button (t2674)SB (t7420)BB (t10261)UTG (t13364)UTG+1 (t3480)MP1 (t6135)Hero's M: 5.59Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K4 folds, Hero bets t3600, 2 folds, BB raises to t10186 (All-In), Hero calls t6586Flop: (t21572) 6, 10, 4(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t21572) Q(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t21572) 2(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: t21572PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP1 (t10666)Hero (MP2) (t3164)CO (t2599)Button (t6745)SB (t21572)BB (t13289)UTG (t3405)UTG+1 (t6060)Hero's M: 1.32Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3, 32 folds, MP1 calls t1200, Hero bets t3089 (All-In), 3 folds, BB raises to t4978, 1 foldFlop: (t8578) Q, 7, J(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t8578) 2(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t8578) 4(2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: t8578no idea why it doesnt show but both times went up against aces =((((((((

Hand 1, I'd fold. I'd rather get all my chips in with a 7x open, and AJs just isn't good enough for that.Hand 2, just shove pre.Hand 3, that's fine.

[RakeMyBlind 0]

Is August over yet? Hopefully it will turn around this last week.

[Acekob 0]

I have a question that may seem stupid, but it's how you learn, right?I was in some 45 man turbo, blinds were 50/100 with no ante and I picked up AQo in UTG with about 19 or 20 big blinds and I wasn't quite sure what to do. If I raised 4x and missed, I would be losing a pretty big chunk of my stack, however if I shove, I am risking my tournament life for 1.5 big blinds because there is no ante.I guess my question is, how does your range change from play before the antes kick in to after?

Not a stupid qustion at all. In these turbos you'll often face similar situations, and the best solution is very often to just shove it in or fold. With 19-20 bbs and no antes a raise is ok, but you can easilly get away with raising it less than 4x. 4x raises OOP can be suitable for cash games where you're at least 100 bbs deep, here you risk too much of your stack with too little equity. Personally I'd make it 2.5ish@Eba12I don't like to flat a villain who opens that much and has that little behind. You should pretty much be shoving or folding here, and AJ is a bit meish to get it in with. I think AQ+ is ok.The AK hand, keep in mind that your hand isnt made yet. You obviously shouldn't mind action with 11 bbs and AK, but the optimal move should be shoving it in. You'll get a lot of meish pocket pairs that you're flipping against to fold, and you're still increasing your stack by quite a bit. It's more important to stay alive than to double up!

[UncleHoot 0]

Not a stupid qustion at all. In these turbos you'll often face similar situations, and the best solution is very often to just shove it in or fold. With 19-20 bbs and no antes a raise is ok, but you can easilly get away with raising it less than 4x. 4x raises OOP can be suitable for cash games where you're at least 100 bbs deep, here you risk too much of your stack with too little equity. Personally I'd make it 2.5ish@Eba12I don't like to flat a villain who opens that much and has that little behind. You should pretty much be shoving or folding here, and AJ is a bit meish to get it in with. I think AQ+ is ok.The AK hand, keep in mind that your hand isnt made yet. You obviously shouldn't mind action with 11 bbs and AK, but the optimal move should be shoving it in. You'll get a lot of meish pocket pairs that you're flipping against to fold, and you're still increasing your stack by quite a bit. It's more important to stay alive than to double up!

At the levels I play ($16 and $6.50), I've found that a 2.5X raise UTG can be very intimidating when the blinds get around 150-200. I don't mind raising it up with AJ and even AT UTG if I'm not pot-committing myself, and depending on the number of players remaining at the table (6 or less, hopefully). Simply fold to a big shove. Flat calls are normally in the SB or BB, so you'll still have position after the flop. In my experience, more often than not, everyone folds.

[Rawrr 0]

beware the feral cow packs. they hunger.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($1.50+$0.25) t15/t30 - 9 playersSB: t1,470 (Hero)BB: t1,460 UTG: t2,000 UTG+1: t1,000 MP: t1,440 MP2: t1,205 HJ: t2,150 CO: t1,455 Button: t1,320 Preflop: (t45) Hero is SB with (9 players)UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, MP calls t30, MP2 folds, HJ calls t30, CO calls t30, Button folds, Hero raises to t240, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP calls t210, 2 foldsFlop: (t630) (2 players)Hero bets t420, MP raises to t840, Hero raises to t1230 and is all-in, MP calls t360 and is all-inTurn: (t3,030) (2 players)River: (t3,030) (2 players)Did I play this correctly? I think my play during the early stages is pretty awful, and I don't know if this was just unfortunate, or if I screwed up.I am also curious about something. What is a respectable ROI for various tournaments and sizes? I am currently playing the 1.75 18 man turbos, and although I don't have anywhere near a good enough sample size to determine my ROI properly, I would still like to know what is average.

[HighwayStar 8]

Looks fine. Might bet a lil smaller on the flop but that's nitpickng. Don't get into the habit of folding overpairs in these spots.Dunno about 18 mans. Porbably about 15%? Maybe higher at the $1.50 level. Expect to have to play A LOT of tournaments to get any indication of your true ROI. People think they get an accurate ROI after 100 or so games when in reality it takes many thousands.

[Rawrr 0]

Looks fine. Might bet a lil smaller on the flop but that's nitpickng. Don't get into the habit of folding overpairs in these spots.Dunno about 18 mans. Porbably about 15%? Maybe higher at the $1.50 level. Expect to have to play A LOT of tournaments to get any indication of your true ROI. People think they get an accurate ROI after 100 or so games when in reality it takes many thousands.

I was going to play 500 or so. I play cash games but I get bored after like an hour, so I am trying to find out what type of sng's I'm best at because I enjoy them. It will take quite some time to find out I guess

[lurbz 2]

I'm probably going to be saving spots to post in this thread over the next 3 days.

[lurbz 2]

PokerStars Game #48753976047: Tournament #305346275, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/08/27 12:43:52 PT [2010/08/27 15:43:52 ET]Table '305346275 14' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: Mzungu (4935 in chips) Seat 3: bluffingolfa (4855 in chips) Seat 4: Dennis Ko-RU (7010 in chips) Seat 5: El Pulgoso (5100 in chips) Seat 6: jordyrsd (18930 in chips) Seat 7: BBsRJReich (4320 in chips) Seat 8: Varunklis (5220 in chips) Seat 9: jannibalx (4300 in chips) Mzungu: posts the ante 50bluffingolfa: posts the ante 50Dennis Ko-RU: posts the ante 50El Pulgoso: posts the ante 50jordyrsd: posts the ante 50BBsRJReich: posts the ante 50Varunklis: posts the ante 50jannibalx: posts the ante 50bluffingolfa: posts small blind 200Dennis Ko-RU: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to BBsRJReich [Xx Xx]El Pulgoso: folds jordyrsd: folds BBsRJReich:What range would be a pile here?

[HighwayStar 8]

44+A8s+ATo+all broadway except JTomeh maybe slightly wider at some tables.

[custom36 4]

PokerStars Game #48753976047: Tournament #305346275, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/08/27 12:43:52 PT [2010/08/27 15:43:52 ET]Table '305346275 14' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: Mzungu (4935 in chips) Seat 3: bluffingolfa (4855 in chips) Seat 4: Dennis Ko-RU (7010 in chips) Seat 5: El Pulgoso (5100 in chips) Seat 6: jordyrsd (18930 in chips) Seat 7: BBsRJReich (4320 in chips) Seat 8: Varunklis (5220 in chips) Seat 9: jannibalx (4300 in chips) Mzungu: posts the ante 50bluffingolfa: posts the ante 50Dennis Ko-RU: posts the ante 50El Pulgoso: posts the ante 50jordyrsd: posts the ante 50BBsRJReich: posts the ante 50Varunklis: posts the ante 50jannibalx: posts the ante 50bluffingolfa: posts small blind 200Dennis Ko-RU: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to BBsRJReich [Xx Xx]El Pulgoso: folds jordyrsd: folds BBsRJReich:What range would be a pile here?

Ax, any two broadway, KT+, 55+

[HighwayStar 8]

Any Ax here would be a huge spew.edit - in a vacuumDid a little pokerstoving and A3o is about as good as J8/J9s to jam here. Slightly better.

[HighwayStar 8]

An optimal push chart I'm looking at says44+ A7s+ A5s-A2s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ QTs+ JTs T9s so I wasn't far off. Gotta remember those A2-A5s . I don't think it's too bad to leave a couple of those hands out.

[Rawrr 0]

Where can I find some information on heads up play in these tournaments? I haven't had problems playing heads up in cash games, but when we get heads up in these turbos, the blinds are too high for me to really know what to do and it's like playing the lottery for me, and that's no good.Are there any good resources to help me out?

[babylondonks 5]

PokerStars Game #48753976047: Tournament #305346275, $11+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/08/27 12:43:52 PT [2010/08/27 15:43:52 ET]Table '305346275 14' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: Mzungu (4935 in chips) Seat 3: bluffingolfa (4855 in chips) Seat 4: Dennis Ko-RU (7010 in chips) Seat 5: El Pulgoso (5100 in chips) Seat 6: jordyrsd (18930 in chips) Seat 7: BBsRJReich (4320 in chips) Seat 8: Varunklis (5220 in chips) Seat 9: jannibalx (4300 in chips) Mzungu: posts the ante 50bluffingolfa: posts the ante 50Dennis Ko-RU: posts the ante 50El Pulgoso: posts the ante 50jordyrsd: posts the ante 50BBsRJReich: posts the ante 50Varunklis: posts the ante 50jannibalx: posts the ante 50bluffingolfa: posts small blind 200Dennis Ko-RU: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to BBsRJReich [Xx Xx]El Pulgoso: folds jordyrsd: folds BBsRJReich:What range would be a pile here?

22+, A8s+ ATo+ and then any broadway minus JTo/QToI'd probably need to see the table to visualise it better but that's what I'd start with