Sng Grinder Thread

[jmbreslin 0]

PokerStars Game #37979349836: Tournament #230915069, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2010/01/10 22:49:50 ETTable '230915069 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: blurred1 (10094 in chips) Seat 2: MadderCatter (5085 in chips) Seat 3: stef butcher (5950 in chips) Seat 4: WAPDEGO18 (11968 in chips) Seat 5: Bluecaliber (10440 in chips) Seat 7: mykalhenry (4905 in chips) Seat 8: Semprini89 (4895 in chips) Seat 9: ShadeS42 (14163 in chips) blurred1: posts the ante 50MadderCatter: posts the ante 50stef butcher: posts the ante 50WAPDEGO18: posts the ante 50Bluecaliber: posts the ante 50mykalhenry: posts the ante 50Semprini89: posts the ante 50ShadeS42: posts the ante 50Semprini89: posts small blind 400ShadeS42: posts big blind 800*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [3c 3h]blurred1:????????????????????

Dump it. Too many potential villains still to act and too great a likelihood you'll get callers and end up racing, in bad shape against an overpair, or trying to dodge a handful of overcards.

[Ben_G 0]

"This just in"I hate A5 and under in late stages can never figure out what to do with it......

[supfreak26 0]

PokerStars Game #37945869777: Tournament #230698601, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/01/10 11:19:48 ETTable '230698601 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: patleafs (1770 in chips) Seat 2: swifty san (1210 in chips) Seat 3: Dayton_u (1310 in chips) Seat 4: DIKDIM7 (1635 in chips) Seat 5: brosetcar (1470 in chips) Seat 6: RamonBelmar (1260 in chips) Seat 7: james norris (1465 in chips) Seat 8: Acekob (1455 in chips) Seat 9: paugie (1925 in chips) swifty san: posts small blind 15Dayton_u: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Acekob [Ac As]DIKDIM7: calls 30brosetcar: folds RamonBelmar: raises 120 to 150james norris: folds Acekob: raises 360 to 510paugie: folds patleafs: folds swifty san: folds Dayton_u: folds DIKDIM7: folds RamonBelmar: calls 360*** FLOP *** [2c 3h Jd]RamonBelmar: checks Acekob:Do I check back here inviting him to fire the turn?PokerStars Game #37946347641: Tournament #230700907, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/01/10 11:30:01 ETTable '230700907 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: WombatUK (890 in chips) Seat 2: ricard38 (3125 in chips) Seat 4: jtn_nolimit (1100 in chips) Seat 5: Acekob (1470 in chips) Seat 6: MainMan21 (1310 in chips) Seat 8: Snifner (2923 in chips) Seat 9: Rob Stranger (1952 in chips) jtn_nolimit: posts small blind 25Acekob: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Acekob [Ks Ac]MainMan21: folds Snifner: calls 50Rob Stranger: raises 200 to 250WombatUK: folds ricard38: folds jtn_nolimit: folds Acekob: raises 1220 to 1470 and is all-ingubelube is connected Snifner: folds Rob Stranger: calls 1220*** FLOP *** [3h 4c 8h]*** TURN *** [3h 4c 8h] [6d]*** RIVER *** [3h 4c 8h 6d] [3d]*** SHOW DOWN ***Acekob: shows [Ks Ac] (a pair of Threes)Rob Stranger: shows [9h 9c] (two pair, Nines and Threes)Rob Stranger collected 3015 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3015 | Rake 0 Board [3h 4c 8h 6d 3d]Seat 1: WombatUK folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: ricard38 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: jtn_nolimit (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: Acekob (big blind) showed [Ks Ac] and lost with a pair of ThreesSeat 6: MainMan21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Snifner folded before FlopSeat 9: Rob Stranger showed [9h 9c] and won (3015) with two pair, Nines and ThreesI am finding myself wondering about certain spots similar to this one, especially during the first two levels.When do you start playing AK as the nuts pf? Can it be better to flat here and look for a pair on the flop, or do we get enough action from AQ to make this a valuable shove? (Even though this shove probably was good, I'd like some opinions on it if this was the 10/20 or 15/30 level)

Hand 1: Easy shove and hope for a call. Either way, you win a good size pot.Hand 2: I don't fall in love with AKo this early in the tourney. I probably would've called PF and folded to any good-size raise after the flop. If it were later in the tourney, shoving is a good play, IMO.

Literally the second hand of a 2.20 180 man turbo no reads on anyone - no prior experience with anyone at the table:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO (t1500)Button (t1440)SB (t1440)Hero (BB) (t1500)UTG (t1860)UTG+1 (t1440)MP1 (t1500)MP2 (t1500)MP3 (t1320)Hero's M: 50.00Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , A :spade:UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, SB calls t10, Hero ???

Just call. AQo is not a great hand with so many limpers and being OOP.

PokerStars Game #37979349836: Tournament #230915069, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2010/01/10 22:49:50 ETTable '230915069 4' 9-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: blurred1 (10094 in chips) Seat 2: MadderCatter (5085 in chips) Seat 3: stef butcher (5950 in chips) Seat 4: WAPDEGO18 (11968 in chips) Seat 5: Bluecaliber (10440 in chips) Seat 7: mykalhenry (4905 in chips) Seat 8: Semprini89 (4895 in chips) Seat 9: ShadeS42 (14163 in chips) blurred1: posts the ante 50MadderCatter: posts the ante 50stef butcher: posts the ante 50WAPDEGO18: posts the ante 50Bluecaliber: posts the ante 50mykalhenry: posts the ante 50Semprini89: posts the ante 50ShadeS42: posts the ante 50Semprini89: posts small blind 400ShadeS42: posts big blind 800*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [3c 3h]blurred1:????????????????????

A shove is bad there Ben, I think it's a fold although you may be able to setmine depending on where the bubble was.

This. I'd probably setmine it because I have a hard time folding these hands. I'm definitely not doing more than calling PF and bailing if I don't hit it on the flop.

PokerStars Game #37981409506: Tournament #230930784, $3.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2010/01/11 0:05:45 ETTable '230930784 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 2: Donkey10101 (4035 in chips) Seat 3: g.dickson (12170 in chips) Seat 4: blurred1 (1695 in chips) Seat 5: BradSwarbz.. (10485 in chips) Seat 7: pkppp (3780 in chips) Seat 8: 67Joe67 (485 in chips) Donkey10101: posts the ante 50g.dickson: posts the ante 50blurred1: posts the ante 50BradSwarbz..: posts the ante 50pkppp: posts the ante 5067Joe67: posts the ante 50BradSwarbz..: posts small blind 300pkppp: posts big blind 600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [2c 2h]67Joe67: folds Donkey10101: folds g.dickson: folds blurred1:??????????????????

Hard fold. You don't have enough chips to setmine and your only real option is to shove. I would only shove dueces if I'm desperate and you have a few hands to hopefully find a better spot to shove.

Not much but on my way to meeting my 2010 goals PokerStars Tournament #230919895, No Limit Hold'emBuy-In: $1.00/$0.10 USD90 playersTotal Prize Pool: $90.00 USD Tournament started 2010/01/10 19:31:19 PT [2010/01/10 22:31:19 ET]Dear InIt2WINitHI,You finished the tournament in 1st place. A USD 24.82 award has been credited to your Real Money account.You earned 104.06 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/Congratulations!Thank you for participating.Ya gotta start somewhere!

Grats!!

"This just in"I hate A5 and under in late stages can never figure out what to do with it......

Depends on so many factors. How many chips do you have? Are you near the bubble? How is the table playing? What's your rep on the table? I'm with you, though. Those hands suck.

[supfreak26 0]

Spent the weekend not playing as much as I wanted to. What playing I got in pretty much got me back to even. Lost some stupid hands on the river that still have me hot under the collar. Played in a tourney last night where I was dominating the entire game. 1st in chips by a mile and then I hit some bad luck. Went into 4 straight hands way ahead only to be killed on the river. Came in 4th which is a nice payday in a 45 man tourney but I wanted that win in a bad way.So BR is a bit over $30 now. Up $5 from the start of the month so I can't complain really. Just so tired of playing $.25 tourneys. :)Ran into this situation early in a tourney. Forgot to save the hand. Even stacks of 1500. Maybe the 3rd hand of the tourney. Dealt QQ in early position. Put out a raise of 4xBB. 2 folds. MP goes all-in for 1500. CO calls all-in for 1500. 2 folds back to me. What would you do?

[outsider13 0]

This. I'd probably setmine it because I have a hard time folding these hands. I'm definitely not doing more than calling PF and bailing if I don't hit it on the flop.

Limp folding is pretty bad here 13ish bb deep. Limping all together is pretty bad this far in and raise folding is not an option if you are shoved on. Folding is easily the best choice here. It saves us from making a big mistake with a comfortable stack.

[supfreak26 0]

Limp folding is pretty bad here 13ish bb deep. Limping all together is pretty bad this far in and raise folding is not an option if you are shoved on. Folding is easily the best choice here. It saves us from making a big mistake with a comfortable stack.

I probably fold that hand 30% of the time. Probably a leak in my game.

[outsider13 0]

Even stacks of 1500. Maybe the 3rd hand of the tourney. Dealt QQ in early position. Put out a raise of 4xBB. 2 folds. MP goes all-in for 1500. CO calls all-in for 1500. 2 folds back to me. What would you do?

Probably call, because I don't know how to fold QQ in micros. Typically though, people are awful in these and just throwing their chips in with everything and anything. You have the 3rd best hand, so gl!

[jmbreslin 0]

Limp folding is pretty bad here 13ish bb deep. Limping all together is pretty bad this far in and raise folding is not an option if you are shoved on. Folding is easily the best choice here. It saves us from making a big mistake with a comfortable stack.

You also can't setmine when the average stack at the table is less than 10BB. This is clear push/fold territory, and I think folding is the best play.

[Ben_G 0]

Doing pretty good so far had a great session last night with a $120 total win. Down 1$ today in a 3.5 hour session with 1 45 man still running.Im pretty happy with my results thus far.... learning alot, have made a few mistakes but generally sticking to strategy.Todays session ran into a bit of bad luck but hopefully can cash here and turn that around. Have been grinding the 1.20 and 3.25 sit and gos on stars.Starting Br : $80.00 on starsCurrent Br : $199.41 : +119.41Will update after my last sit and go of this session is done.Edit: Bubbled the last 45 man in 8th when sb shoved into me i had KQ he had AJ dont really see how i fold there with blinds as big as they are his range would have been huge blind vs blind just unlucky i guess.

[jmbreslin 0]

You profited $120 last night grinding $1.20's and $3.25's? Nice work. How many do you put in during a typical session? Mix of STTs and 45's?

[Ben_G 0]

You profited $120 last night grinding $1.20's and $3.25's? Nice work. How many do you put in during a typical session? Mix of STTs and 45's?

Played all 45 mans ranged from 6 tabling to 12 tabling but i havent been opening new ones during i wait till they have all finished then open 6 - 12 more. I find its easier for me to make the right decisions as they get deep if i dont add more tables. I find it easier when the blinds are all around the same levels. The last one i went out of was a 6$ but that was the only one of those i played and the highest 45 man stake i played. Today kinda sucked ran into some coolers so im happy to end the session down 1dollar shouldnt take much to get it back over the 200 mark. I wont be playing anymore of those 6$ ones for a while though playing that last one was the difference between a winning and losing session .The biggest problem i have always had is br management so i have to stick to the smaller ones till i am comfortable.

[outsider13 0]

Played all 45 mans ranged from 6 tabling to 12 tabling but i havent been opening new ones during i wait till they have all finished then open 6 - 12 more. I find its easier for me to make the right decisions as they get deep if i dont add more tables. I find it easier when the blinds are all around the same levels. The last one i went out of was a 6$ but that was the only one of those i played and the highest 45 man stake i played. Today kinda sucked ran into some coolers so im happy to end the session down 1dollar shouldnt take much to get it back over the 200 mark. I wont be playing anymore of those 6$ ones for a while though playing that last one was the difference between a winning and losing session .The biggest problem i have always had is br management so i have to stick to the smaller ones till i am comfortable.

Well done. And very wise with the br management.

[supfreak26 0]

The biggest problem i have always had is br management so i have to stick to the smaller ones till i am comfortable.

Yeah this has been my issue as well. I get bored. I'm so impatient.

[lurbz 2]

I haven't been updating my OP and haven't been posting due to vacation/frustration, will begin more again soon, haven't had many trick spots coming up lately just a lot of crap.GL to all, I'm settling in for a huge rush this week.

[potatoman 0]

Dump the 3s (insta-fold), shove the 2s (folding is ..ok?), reraise the AQ (call is okay and safer), although for years I used to call and hope to flop the nuts....but you usually have the best hand here, so raise to a) get value B ) make post flop easier c) increase the success rate of a c-bet.

[jmbreslin 0]

Lovin' these super-turbos. They fly by so quickly that you can just focus on playing and not get fixated on results (a mental block I have). And you can really pack in the volume.

[outsider13 0]

Lovin' these super-turbos. They fly by so quickly that you can just focus on playing and not get fixated on results (a mental block I have). And you can really pack in the volume.

Yeah, if you are in the right mindset like that, they are great. If you get tilted, quit regging immediately.

[Ben_G 0]

Yeah this has been my issue as well. I get bored. I'm so impatient.

Ya i find it tough not to take a run at the big money..... even now im like well i could almost buy into the sunday million. But ive decided to gear down and when i get there i get there.

[Ben_G 0]

Shorter session tonight, feeling tired and not really into it. Finished up with a little bit of ring for kicks....... Again still playing the low stake 45 mans (3.25 1.10) threw in the odd 18 man as well.......Starting br : $80.00Started Session : $199.41Current Br : $240.31Probably play a 4 or so hour session tomorrow morning as well.

[Jambot 0]

Apologies in advance if this gets a bit rambling, but would appreciate some advice here.I've switched from MTTs to SNGs recently and have pretty much been grinding two types - $6.50 45 turbos and $10.40 double or nothing turbos. I'm comfortable 12 tabling the former and 20-25 tabling the later (sometimes more depending on mood) but never at the same time.It's struck me that these are a bit polarised in playing style and it makes me wonder if it's limiting my improvement and if I should focus more on one than the other. In general, I think mixing it up helps me at times, because I can use the DONs to somewhat act as a steam blocker if I go on a really bad downswing at the 45s. I can get back to a steady build instead, without risking further and further obvious downswings. I know in the longterm these downswings will be irrelevant anyway, but the change seems to help me short term.But, everything I've seen online seems to suggest I could get a better return on the 45 mans if I really got the hang of them.At the moment I am only just scraping a positive ROI in 45 mans, but over the last 500 or so, this has been more like 10% and I feel I'm getting to grips with them. Was dreadful at first!I'm a more solid DON player I think - 6% ROI in over 2,000, with a high hourly volume.Should I throw my attention towards one only? It sometimes feels like the restraint required in DONs makes me play the opposite in 45s and I get a little too attacking. Just enjoy the opportunity to open up!Thanks in advance for any advice.

[outsider13 0]

Have you considered STTs (non-DON)? I think they have a bit more upside than the DONs as far as a return standpoint, and they are far less variance than the 45mans. I just don't think you get the droughts with them the way you can with 45s. Plus they are a lot less robotic than DONs and they are a little more enjoyable. Even the 18mans would probably be better if you are worried about the variance.

[Ben_G 0]

PokerStars Game #38047718290: Tournament #231391963, $3.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2010/01/12 11:00:01 ETTable '231391963 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: luckybob23 (5125 in chips) Seat 2: Thorrrr (4115 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 3: mchlupac (2815 in chips) is sitting outSeat 4: blurred1 (5825 in chips) Seat 5: nikolay76 (4640 in chips) Seat 6: JWD_51 (6660 in chips) Seat 7: IF_u_SAY_s0 (5935 in chips) Seat 8: zazen47 (2845 in chips) Seat 9: mikkkkero (1535 in chips) luckybob23: posts the ante 25mchlupac: posts the ante 25blurred1: posts the ante 25nikolay76: posts the ante 25JWD_51: posts the ante 25IF_u_SAY_s0: posts the ante 25zazen47: posts the ante 25mikkkkero: posts the ante 25mchlupac: posts small blind 100blurred1: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [9c Ah]nikolay76: raises 400 to 600JWD_51: folds IF_u_SAY_s0: folds zazen47 has timed outzazen47: folds zazen47 is sitting outmikkkkero: folds luckybob23: folds mchlupac: folds blurred1: ???????Ran into the same situation in another tourny tooo pretty sure i know the answer but just checking

[Ben_G 0]

PokerStars Game #38048048016: Tournament #231391963, $3.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2010/01/12 11:08:34 ETTable '231391963 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: luckybob23 (4850 in chips) Seat 2: Thorrrr (2665 in chips) Seat 3: mchlupac (1840 in chips) Seat 4: blurred1 (4178 in chips) Seat 6: JWD_51 (14625 in chips) Seat 7: IF_u_SAY_s0 (9067 in chips) Seat 8: zazen47 (2270 in chips) is sitting outluckybob23: posts the ante 25Thorrrr: posts the ante 25mchlupac: posts the ante 25blurred1: posts the ante 25JWD_51: posts the ante 25IF_u_SAY_s0: posts the ante 25zazen47: posts the ante 25IF_u_SAY_s0: posts small blind 200zazen47: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [4d 4s]luckybob23: folds Thorrrr: raises 800 to 1200mchlupac: raises 615 to 1815 and is all-inblurred1: ?????

[outsider13 0]

PokerStars Game #38047718290: Tournament #231391963, $3.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2010/01/12 11:00:01 ETTable '231391963 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: luckybob23 (5125 in chips) Seat 2: Thorrrr (4115 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)Seat 3: mchlupac (2815 in chips) is sitting outSeat 4: blurred1 (5825 in chips) Seat 5: nikolay76 (4640 in chips) Seat 6: JWD_51 (6660 in chips) Seat 7: IF_u_SAY_s0 (5935 in chips) Seat 8: zazen47 (2845 in chips) Seat 9: mikkkkero (1535 in chips) luckybob23: posts the ante 25mchlupac: posts the ante 25blurred1: posts the ante 25nikolay76: posts the ante 25JWD_51: posts the ante 25IF_u_SAY_s0: posts the ante 25zazen47: posts the ante 25mikkkkero: posts the ante 25mchlupac: posts small blind 100blurred1: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [9c Ah]nikolay76: raises 400 to 600JWD_51: folds IF_u_SAY_s0: folds zazen47 has timed outzazen47: folds zazen47 is sitting outmikkkkero: folds luckybob23: folds mchlupac: folds blurred1: ???????Ran into the same situation in another tourny tooo pretty sure i know the answer but just checking

Unless you have a read that he's completely moronic or will fold to your raise, you definitely have to weigh the fact that it's a UTG raise. A9 is pretty weak for me to shove over his range.

[outsider13 0]

PokerStars Game #38048048016: Tournament #231391963, $3.00+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2010/01/12 11:08:34 ETTable '231391963 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: luckybob23 (4850 in chips) Seat 2: Thorrrr (2665 in chips) Seat 3: mchlupac (1840 in chips) Seat 4: blurred1 (4178 in chips) Seat 6: JWD_51 (14625 in chips) Seat 7: IF_u_SAY_s0 (9067 in chips) Seat 8: zazen47 (2270 in chips) is sitting outluckybob23: posts the ante 25Thorrrr: posts the ante 25mchlupac: posts the ante 25blurred1: posts the ante 25JWD_51: posts the ante 25IF_u_SAY_s0: posts the ante 25zazen47: posts the ante 25IF_u_SAY_s0: posts small blind 200zazen47: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to blurred1 [4d 4s]luckybob23: folds Thorrrr: raises 800 to 1200mchlupac: raises 615 to 1815 and is all-inblurred1: ?????

Off the top of my head I'd say this is a snap fold, but I'll run numbers just to confirm.Thorr looks fairly strong considering his raise size to stack size. The shorty shove can't be all too wide either. Running some numbers in stove (with fairly wide ranges), you'd need just under 3-1 to make this call. Assuming that all of thorrrr's chips are going in (which about 98.75% of the time they are), you are only getting about 2-1.

equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	41.310%	  40.22% 	01.09% 	   89412147072 	2431163726.00   { 55+, A9s+, ATo+ }Hand 1: 	32.434%	  31.29% 	01.15% 	   69561180588 	2548570598.00   { 44+, A5s+, KJs+, A5o+, KTo+ }Hand 2: 	26.255%	  26.07% 	00.19% 	   57954338604 	417932180.00   { 44 }