ncish7 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Hey guys..I'm 20 years old, and I love playing (Texas Hold'em).Over the course of the past year, I'll say I deposited maybe about... $5-600, and over that time, I've lost it all.About 2 month's ago, I began reading Harrington on Cash Games. My most recent deposit was $125 to UltimateBet. I had it up to about $460 as I was playing well, but then over the past 10 days, I progressively lost that as well. I think more than anything, it might just be a confidence issue, but maybe not, I don't know.What I'm asking you guys I guess is just for advice. Like I know I'm not going to make 1 deposit, and get rich off of it. But how many times going bust is enough to tell me otherwise? You know what I'm saying?Maybe I'm not going about it the right way, and if I'm not, how should I be?Any kind of input would be appreciated.Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Biff Goods 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Question 1: When you buy in for 125...what limits to you play? Link to post Share on other sites
Sick Boy 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Yea the first big question is obviously whether you're practising good bankroll management or not.Having said that dont forget that poker is alot like life, you've gotta put alot of blood, sweat and tears in before you can reap the rewards. Keep in mind that all the big pros today that you see on tv have been flat broke before several times. Just keep trying and eventually you'll be balling like Tehtoe. Link to post Share on other sites
CrookedLink 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Question 1: When you buy in for 125...what limits to you play? 1/2nl ldo. but what does that have anything to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites
ncish7 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 I started off playing .25/.50 NL tables. Everything was going good as like I said, I tripled my amount. For whatever reason, I became impatient, got greedy, or just played tired, I progressively lost it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sick Boy 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 I started off playing .25/.50 NL tables. Everything was going good as like I said, I tripled my amount. For whatever reason, I became impatient, got greedy, or just played tired, I progressively lost it.Yea that stake is way to big for that bankroll dude. With 125 you should be playing no higher than 0.05/0.10 Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-articles/...agement-2425952read that, learn how to not tilt, and read strat forums on some poker forums and you might do alright. gl Link to post Share on other sites
ncish7 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 Yea that stake is way to big for that bankroll dude. With 125 you should be playing no higher than 0.05/0.10Ok. I can understand that.However, I've played 0.05/0.10 before, and frankly, it's too little. I don't mean to sound arrogant saying that, but when I played them before, I'd play for like 3-4 hours, and end up leaving with only like $10... And for the time, it didn't seem worth it.Now with that said, maybe I should deposit more than $125? What would be a good amount, and how would I progress? Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Ok. I can understand that.However, I've played 0.05/0.10 before, and frankly, it's too little. I don't mean to sound arrogant saying that, but when I played them before, I'd play for like 3-4 hours, and end up leaving with only like $10... And for the time, it didn't seem worth it.Now with that said, maybe I should deposit more than $125? What would be a good amount, and how would I progress?No offense, but this is so dumb, naive and arrogant. 1. You say making 10 dollar is too little, well losing 500/600 sure sounds a lot better2. I myself am playing around .10-25 - .25-50, when playing .25-.50 i always have more than 1K in my account. 3. 70-80% of the players at NL50 are already pretty freaking good regulars (At pokerstars) and have played hundreds of thousands or even millions of hands and you think you gonna step in there and beat them, lol.4. Dont deposit more and still play NL50, deposit 100 and start grinding 0.02/0.05 Link to post Share on other sites
ncish7 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 No offense, but this is so dumb, naive and arrogant. 1. You say making 10 dollar is too little, well losing 500/600 sure sounds a lot better2. I myself am playing around .10-25 - .25-50, when playing .25-.50 i always have more than 1K in my account. 3. 70-80% of the players at NL50 are already pretty freaking good regulars (At pokerstars) and have played hundreds of thousands or even millions of hands and you think you gonna step in there and beat them, lol.4. Dont deposit more and still play NL50, deposit 100 and start grinding 0.02/0.05None taken, I appreciate the honesty, because I really don't know what I'm doing. It's why I'm asking you guys. You make a good point. Like I said before, I'm only 20, and I'm basically just jumping right into this. So apparently my naive thinking that I'll make a deposit, and start making good money in a mere few month's time is completely ridiculous? That's fine.How should I look at this mentally, so that I don't get carried away, or just bored? Link to post Share on other sites
Syntonic 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 None taken, I appreciate the honesty, because I really don't know what I'm doing. It's why I'm asking you guys. You make a good point. Like I said before, I'm only 20, and I'm basically just jumping right into this. So apparently my naive thinking that I'll make a deposit, and start making good money in a mere few month's time is completely ridiculous? That's fine.How should I look at this mentally, so that I don't get carried away, or just bored?Play with the goal to move up in limits (and make good money).If you think you're getting carried away or you're bored. Quit, take a break, do something else. Link to post Share on other sites
ncish7 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 Play with the goal to move up in limits (and make good money).If you think you're getting carried away or you're bored. Quit, take a break, do something else.I hear ya, now when it comes to moving up in limits.. Say my next deposit is $100, and I start playing at either 0.01/0.02 or 0.05/0.10, what amount do I get to, where I would logically decide to move into higher limits?Also, how much on average, per day, or week, do you guys play, or should I play? I work 40+ a week, to give you an idea of the extra time I might have. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 lol at just skipping vt's post, that answers like allll your questions Link to post Share on other sites
ncish7 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-articles/...agement-2425952read that, learn how to not tilt, and read strat forums on some poker forums and you might do alright. glReading it right now, thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
Sick Boy 0 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 lol at just skipping vt's post, that answers like allll your questions Link to post Share on other sites
ncish7 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 I've read the article and it has given me alot more information on what I'm trying to do.Another question I have would be, how much per day or week should I play? Should I keep track of the number of hands, or hours that I play? Or what do you guys do in that aspect?Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 play hours, not results. Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 dont read what vtlaxer09 says, what does he know about poker anyway? Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 No offense, but this is so dumb, naive and arrogant. 1. You say making 10 dollar is too little, well losing 500/600 sure sounds a lot better2. I myself am playing around .10-25 - .25-50, when playing .25-.50 i always have more than 1K in my account. 3. 70-80% of the players at NL50 are already pretty freaking good regulars (At pokerstars) and have played hundreds of thousands or even millions of hands and you think you gonna step in there and beat them, lol.4. Dont deposit more and still play NL50, deposit 100 and start grinding 0.02/0.05LOL, I find your post more arrogant than OP's.That said, it sounds like OP is at the crossroads that I'm trying very dilligently to get past. Where your 'real life BR" is much larger number.....so while you are only putting X money into a site, you play that money based on the Y amount of money you actually have, in that it doesn't even feel like it's worth the time to grind a table and only make Z amount of money if you are playing tables appropriate for your true online BR.OP, for 6-7 years of my life (and honestly, I'm still weaning myself from this style of play), I was a 'B/E to slight winning depo degen'. I classify this as a guy that loses 50 buck after 50 buck deposit, because he's playing SnG's/MTT's like 5-20 bucks in buy-in, because his 'life roll' isn't interested about a 1.5 buy-in win at the .02/.05 cash table after playing for an hour or two, nor cashing the 1-2 buck MTT tourney. You can play like this.... I'd play, hit a big score or get on a heater, then cash out for 500 or a grand or whatever number sounds fun. Then after a few weeks, I'd come back, do the 50's depo and start the cycle again. As I've taken poker more seriously over the last few years, truly studying strategy, game theory, actually reading all the standard books, joining an online forum site (woot woot!), etc., I started to get a desire to actually cultivate and maintain a bankroll. Like I say, this is a work in progress to this very day. I'd say the biggest thing I've noticed is that you definitely have to be ready and willing to downshift. Part of playing the way I always have is because it gives you that gamble/adrenaline rush. When you exhibit even light BR management, no one tourney is going to make or break you, nor is any one single hand in the ring. This is a good thing...I think it's the shift from gambler to poker player :)Read everything you can, get active on the forum talking strategy, etc. Over time if you truly want to, you'll start to get the desire to succeed....and that desire is above and beyond money. There's a big psychological plus that comes with playing within your online roll. I mean I'm not even 100% perfect with it.....like I'll play a 5 buck MTT even though I have 110 in my account at a certain time. Not great BR management....... However, in comparison to putting 50 bucks down at a .25/.50 table with a 125 buck roll, it's a huge step in the right direction, ya know.In summary, you can depo/lose/depo/lose/depo/win it all back and then some. I playe(ed) that way for years. That said it develops some bad habits and you are playing tougher competition. I think long-term, if you want to take the game seriously, you need to set yourself some parameters and actually work within some level of bankroll system though....even if the money in your account is not your true "roll" value, etc. etc.Hope this helps and doesn't come out sounding like a ramble. Good luck man!! Link to post Share on other sites
Lord_anarchy 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 late reg for a turbo mtt with like a 10k+ gtd and luckbox your way to the final table for a 1k+ scoreluck > skill in the shortrun! Link to post Share on other sites
rcooj_7 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 late reg for a turbo mtt with like a 10k+ gtd and luckbox your way to the final table for a 1k+ scoreluck > skill in the shortrun!aka one night stand Link to post Share on other sites
rcooj_7 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Over the course of the past year, I'll say I deposited maybe about... $5-600, and over that time, I've lost it all.Lucky! Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 dont read what vtlaxer09 says, what does he know about poker anyway?Good call....disregard everything said...he sucks Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 LOL, I find your post more arrogant than OP's.Yeah but to be honest, when someone thinks playing NL50 with 125 Dollar is gonna make him money he needs a smack in the face to wake up to reality. Link to post Share on other sites
K_dense 3 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 LOL, I find your post more arrogant than OP's.That said, it sounds like OP is at the crossroads that I'm trying very dilligently to get past. Where your 'real life BR" is much larger number.....so while you are only putting X money into a site, you play that money based on the Y amount of money you actually have, in that it doesn't even feel like it's worth the time to grind a table and only make Z amount of money if you are playing tables appropriate for your true online BR.OP, for 6-7 years of my life (and honestly, I'm still weaning myself from this style of play), I was a 'B/E to slight winning depo degen'. I classify this as a guy that loses 50 buck after 50 buck deposit, because he's playing SnG's/MTT's like 5-20 bucks in buy-in, because his 'life roll' isn't interested about a 1.5 buy-in win at the .02/.05 cash table after playing for an hour or two, nor cashing the 1-2 buck MTT tourney. You can play like this.... I'd play, hit a big score or get on a heater, then cash out for 500 or a grand or whatever number sounds fun. Then after a few weeks, I'd come back, do the 50's depo and start the cycle again. As I've taken poker more seriously over the last few years, truly studying strategy, game theory, actually reading all the standard books, joining an online forum site (woot woot!), etc., I started to get a desire to actually cultivate and maintain a bankroll. Like I say, this is a work in progress to this very day. I'd say the biggest thing I've noticed is that you definitely have to be ready and willing to downshift. Part of playing the way I always have is because it gives you that gamble/adrenaline rush. When you exhibit even light BR management, no one tourney is going to make or break you, nor is any one single hand in the ring. This is a good thing...I think it's the shift from gambler to poker player :)Read everything you can, get active on the forum talking strategy, etc. Over time if you truly want to, you'll start to get the desire to succeed....and that desire is above and beyond money. There's a big psychological plus that comes with playing within your online roll. I mean I'm not even 100% perfect with it.....like I'll play a 5 buck MTT even though I have 110 in my account at a certain time. Not great BR management....... However, in comparison to putting 50 bucks down at a .25/.50 table with a 125 buck roll, it's a huge step in the right direction, ya know.MSP ~ you just described me exactly, ' cept i am much better lookingmy buck roll management skills still need serious work but it is coming along. I have been depositing 25 , 50 every two weeks , then their will be a span of time where my 25 deposit turns into 1700. just wanted to say thanks for verballizing my thoughts quote me Link to post Share on other sites
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