The Evolution Computer Simulator

[Mills 0]

I'm going to type slow so you can keep up.I started a thread, about a computer simulation program to simulate evolution. The entire response collectively given by the evolutionist was that this would be too difficult.Too difficult to even consider.No reason to even try, it is not possible.Not remotely possible, with the best minds of our generation.

Well then, i'd be interested to see your thoughts on this.

please watch the whole thing all the way through, as it explains the simulation (and evolution) quite comprehensively

[Mills 0]

So when someone presents a link to a computer simulation that simulates evolution...I had to respond with a joke. Jokes are things people here use to make others laugh. So I thought: "Hey...here's a guy who doesn't know that everyone else has already said that this cannot be done. Therefore, I will pretend that I am one of you, and tell this person that this is impossible."As such, a joke post was made. Of course to further the joke ( which is that you evolutionist were wrong...again ) I closed my mind to the even remote possibility that a program could be written, by refusing to click this link. I was demonstrating a joke mixed in with a thing called a simile, an alternative explanation to drive home a point.

I would almost buy this... but although it may seem jokey on the surface (you constructed it that way) you've displayed an unwillingness to look at things before that may enlighten you... this is no different.

[Mills 0]

"I started a thread, about a computer simulation program to simulate evolution. The entire response collectively given by the evolutionist was that this would be too difficult".So, a few other people on this board tells you it can't be done? That means you shoudn't investigate? Just believe what they tell you eh? You are a good Christian, no denying that

[Balloon guy 158]

[Mills 0]

okay, since whatshisname clearly isnt interested... I would be interested to know what some of you think about the link I posted... it looks pretty sound to me.. maybe not exactly what he was looking for, but still a very comprehensive display of how natural selection takes place.

[crowTrobot 2]

"If you apply our findings to humans, then each of us will have on the order of 60 new mutations that were not present in our parents." With more than six billion people on our planet, this implies that on average each letter of the human genome is altered in dozens of fellow citizens. "Everything that is genetically possible is being tested in a very short period"

http://www.mpg.de/english/illustrationsDoc...1228/index.html

[Randy Reed 0]

Trying to imply that evolution didn't happen because we can't make a complex computer simulation showing every exact detail is like saying the Inquisition didn't happen because no one can show an HD DVD of actual footage. We can prove evolution. We are here. It's not a leap to understand how that came to be and no one can logically refute it.

[vbnautilus 48]

Trying to imply that evolution didn't happen because we can't make a complex computer simulation showing every exact detail is like saying the Inquisition didn't happen because no one can show an HD DVD of actual footage.

I like this part.

We can prove evolution. We are here. It's not a leap to understand how that came to be and no one can logically refute it.

I don't like this part.

[Randy Reed 0]

I don't like this part.

I didn't mean to infer that simply because we exist evolution is true. It's like the puzzle though, even though we don't have every piece there is no denying that it is going to be a green airplane. By using fossils, paleontology, genetics, dna, our eyes, etc. etc we have more than enough to assume evolution is true. As much as the puzzle is going to be a green airplane or that a hula hoop is round, we can take it as fact.

[coesillian 0]

Evolution is not a theory, it's a fact.and that's a fact, a matter of fact.

[Randy Reed 0]

Evolution is not a theory, it's a fact.and that's a fact, a matter of fact.

Jack...relaxGet busy with the factsNo zodiacs or almanacsNo maniacs in polyester slacksJust the factsGonna kick some gluteus maxIt's a parallax...you dig?You move aroundThe small gets bigIt's a rigIt's action...reactionRandom interactionSo who's afraid Of a little abstraction?Can't get no satisfactionFrom the facts?You better run, homeboyA fact's a fact From Nome to Rome, boy

[vbnautilus 48]

Looks like science has had it right:Nature 465, 168–169 (13 May 2010) The question of whether or not all life on Earth has an ultimate common origin is a subtle one, complicated by the phenomenon of lateral gene transfer. It has now been tackled with a formal statistical analysis."Charles Darwin predicted and biologists accept the theory that all extant life traces back to a common ancestor. But how can we formally test the idea? There is a compelling list of circumstantial evidence — for instance, the 'universal' genetic code. However, addressing the question of common origin by applying formal statistical tests to the vast array of molecular sequences now available from all domains of life has long been a challenge. On page 219 of this issue, Theobald1 does just this, and concludes that the accepted view holds."

[Balloon guy 158]

Looks like science has had it right:Nature 465, 168–169 (13 May 2010) The question of whether or not all life on Earth has an ultimate common origin is a subtle one, complicated by the phenomenon of lateral gene transfer. It has now been tackled with a formal statistical analysis."Charles Darwin predicted and biologists accept the theory that all extant life traces back to a common ancestor. But how can we formally test the idea? There is a compelling list of circumstantial evidence — for instance, the 'universal' genetic code. However, addressing the question of common origin by applying formal statistical tests to the vast array of molecular sequences now available from all domains of life has long been a challenge. On page 219 of this issue, Theobald1 does just this, and concludes that the accepted view holds."

So someone 'proved' this theory again?Funny, I thought it was already sure...Oh that's right...We have this theory that is AIR TIGHT!!!!AIR TIGHT!!!!!You must ALL BELIEVE!Some months later...Hey, remember how we had this one area that placed doubt in the validity of the theory? Remember how we all just tried to ignore it, because even though it really made the notion of the theory having any truth, without this part being proved, the entire theory collapses... WELL WE'VE FIXED THAT PARTSO YOU CAN ALL BELIEVE AGAIN....Ignore the man behind the curtain

[vbnautilus 48]

So someone 'proved' this theory again?Funny, I thought it was already sure...Oh that's right...We have this theory that is AIR TIGHT!!!!AIR TIGHT!!!!!You must ALL BELIEVE!Some months later...Hey, remember how we had this one area that placed doubt in the validity of the theory? Remember how we all just tried to ignore it, because even though it really made the notion of the theory having any truth, without this part being proved, the entire theory collapses... WELL WE'VE FIXED THAT PARTSO YOU CAN ALL BELIEVE AGAIN....Ignore the man behind the curtain

It's really just a detail - did all present life forms evolve from a single common ancestor or where there multiple parallel lines of evolution? It's not like if this statistical technique did not confirm the single common ancestor theory that the alternative explanation was going to be Invisible Man Made it All Out of Clay.

[Balloon guy 158]

It's really just a detail - did all present life forms evolve from a single common ancestor or where there multiple parallel lines of evolution?

Guess we should be close to starting that flow chart that shows the path evolution took to go from the single cell to the 750 megabytes contained in a DNA strand...

[speedz99 145]

Guess we should be close to starting that flow chart that shows the path evolution took to go from the single cell to the 750 megabytes contained in a DNA strand...

As if that flow chart would convince you of anything.

[Balloon guy 158]

As if that flow chart would convince you of anything.

That's right, pretend the flow chart is possible; after all, without it you guys are just another faith based world view.

[Roll the Bones 74]

That's right, pretend the flow chart is possible; after all, without it you guys are just another faith based world view.

You mean a faith based world view like the old Christian witch hunts? reminded me of this..The mob moves like demons possesed.Quiet in conscience, calm in their right,Confident their ways are best.The righteous riseWith burning eyesOf hatred and ill-will.Madmen fed on fear and liesTo beat and burn and kill.

[speedz99 145]

That's right, pretend the flow chart is possible; after all, without it you guys are just another faith based world view.

If you were 2,000 years old, do you have any idea how many times you would have looked like an idiot when telling scientists they could never prove something, only to have it done very clearly? You would have thought the earth was flat. That the sun revolves around the earth. That the earth is the center of the universe. That species never evolve in any way. That early medicine was heresy and would never lead anywhere. Etcetera.Do you ever sit back and think about all the things people like you have been proven wrong about over the years about things that you now accept with no problem? Does it bother you that, as history tells us, in a few hundred years you'll be looked upon as the worst kind of person, one that tries to halt progress because of dumbass superstitions from thousands of years ago?Probably not.There's nothing wrong with being religious, but man do you look ignorant pretending that you have any clue about what science will and won't be able to do. Not that we're not used to that.

[Balloon guy 158]

If you were 2,000 years old, do you have any idea how many times you would have looked like an idiot when telling scientists they could never prove something, only to have it done very clearly? You would have thought the earth was flat. That the sun revolves around the earth. That the earth is the center of the universe. That species never evolve in any way. That early medicine was heresy and would never lead anywhere. Etcetera.Do you ever sit back and think about all the things people like you have been proven wrong about over the years about things that you now accept with no problem? Does it bother you that, as history tells us, in a few hundred years you'll be looked upon as the worst kind of person, one that tries to halt progress because of dumbass superstitions from thousands of years ago?Probably not.There's nothing wrong with being religious, but man do you look ignorant pretending that you have any clue about what science will and won't be able to do. Not that we're not used to that.

One of us looks ignorant.And it's not me.Here's a little list of some scientist who were Christians :GalileoNewtonPascalDescartesPasteurKelvinA.E Wilder SmithHere's a longer listAnd a longer oneChristians have been in the forefront of almost all major discoveries, there is a reason why many of them see evolution as being naively false...Next time you go to school, you should thank the Christian men who made your school a reality. Then you can pretend we don't think so you can get through your day believing what you believe

[Roll the Bones 74]

One of us looks ignorant.And it's not me.Here's a little list of some scientist who were Christians :GalileoNewtonPascalDescartesPasteurKelvinA.E Wilder SmithHere's a longer listAnd a longer oneChristians have been in the forefront of almost all major discoveries, there is a reason why many of them see evolution as being naively false...Next time you go to school, you should thank the Christian men who made your school a reality. Then you can pretend we don't think so you can get through your day believing what you believe

Yeah, well before there was Christianity people believed in many other Gods so what's the point. Even your religon excepts evolution as fact. The pope agreed it was almost 30 years ago. Only some nutbag fundamentalist don't. I mean seriously, you couldn't even answer a few basic questions about how you would account for all the scientific facts supporting evolution or your view of the baloney in the bible.

[Balloon guy 158]

Yeah, well before there was Christianity people believed in many other Gods so what's the point. Even your religon excepts evolution as fact. The pope agreed it was almost 30 years ago. Only some nutbag fundamentalist don't. I mean seriously, you couldn't even answer a few basic questions about how you would account for all the scientific facts supporting evolution or your view of the baloney in the bible.

This is true, except for things you state as facts, those things are pretty much made up with nothing but fantasy dust and pickle juice.

[vbnautilus 48]

There's nothing wrong with being religious

Please re-read BG's lasts few posts and see if you wanna go back on this one.