High Roller Structure

[Brian Aka Brian 0]

could you guys stop kicking Daniel in the nuts with that hand history posted in every thread!!

I believe this thread was about how pointless the early levels are in these High Stakes Deepstack events, I Just posted an example of someone losing their entire stack early in these High Stakes Deepstack event. There is no kicking anyone here

[Brian Aka Brian 0]

except the two major 600 BB and 300BB spewoffs from the doyle brunson classic thread

I said as many....there will always be a few.

Even if there is only a few isn't that the point anything can happen? But i agree the main problem is they take the play out late and that's why there is a uproar about so much play early.

[mase_gotsem 0]

lol.

[wanna-be 0]

I think the 2nd structure would be more meaningful. It would put more importance on picking up pots alot earlier. JMO.

[grocery_mony 8]

How about taking aside say 4% of the prizepool and award it to the day 1 chipleader? It would be signifigant enought to stimulate early action for many I would think.

[Fluffdog87 2]

You start with 50,000 in chips in a $25,000 buy in event with 60 minute levels. Which structure would you prefer?1. 50-1002. 100-2003. 150-3004. 150-300 (25)5. 200-400 (50)and so on...1. 150-300 (25)2. 150-300 (25)3. 150-300 (25)4. 150-300 (25)5. 200-400 (50)and so on.... When answering the question, do so from the perspective that you can afford to play these stakes comfortably.

#2orMuch better structure I created with much thoughtDouble levels early on but correct ante sizes creating ~3-3.5bb dead money pre-flop as dictates a greater skill level of thought (leveling) on stealing blinds, re-stealing, trap flatting and more creating interesting spots to get 3bet etc. = more skillful and non nitty tourney play as high stakes tourney players would enjoyEasier transition level to levelAs DN has stated sometimes in blogs the random LOW ante levels like 1,200-2,400-200 5,400 dead money ~2.25bbs in the EPT Main Event structure is a very strange thing recently creating scenarios where tighter play is correct more often.1. 100-200 (25) -start lower as a compromise but with antes2. 100-200 (25)3. 150-300 (50) - 150+300+50x9 players= 900 dead money~3-3.5bb4. 150-300 (50)5. 200-400 (75) - 200+400+75x9 players= 1,275 dead money~3-3.5bb6. 200-400 (75) 7. 300-600 (100) 300+600+100x9 players= 1,800 dead money~3-3.5bb8. 400-800 (150) 2,550 dead money~3-3.5bb9. 500-1,000 (200) 3,500 dead money~3-3.5bb10. 600-1,200 (200) 3,600 dead money~3-3.5bb11. 800-1,600 (300) 5,100 dead money~3-3.5bb12. 1,000-2,000 (400) 6,600 dead money~3-3.5bb13. 1,200-2,400 (500) 8,100 dead money~3-3.5bb14. 1,500-3,000 (500) 9,000 dead money~3-3.5bb15. 2,000-4,000 (1000) 14,000 dead money~3-3.5bb16. 2,500-5,000 (1000) 16,500 dead money~3-3.5bb17. 3,000-6,000 (1000) 18,000 dead money~3-3.5bb18. 4,000-8,000 (1000) 21,000 dead money~3-3.5bbThoughts?EPT structures look good this yr btw90 min levels at ft would be a good adjustment though. the rest of the trney has time restraints though obvhttp://www.caribbeanpokeradventure.com/tou...ents/structure/I asked John Duthie in a cash game this yr about them and he said they were going to be much better and they ended up pretty good.

[Brian Aka Brian 0]

#2orMuch better structure I created with much thoughtDouble levels early on but correct ante sizes creating ~3-3.5bb dead money pre-flop as dictates a greater skill level of thought (leveling) on stealing blinds, re-stealing, trap flatting and more creating interesting spots to get 3bet etc. = more skillful and non nitty tourney play as high stakes tourney players would enjoyEasier transition level to levelAs DN has stated sometimes in blogs the random LOW ante levels like 1,200-2,400-200 5,400 dead money ~2.25bbs in the EPT Main Event structure is a very strange thing recently creating scenarios where tighter play is correct more often.1. 100-200 (25) -start lower as a compromise but with antes2. 100-200 (25)3. 150-300 (50) - 150+300+50x9 players= 900 dead money~3-3.5bb4. 150-300 (50)5. 200-400 (75) - 200+400+75x9 players= 1,275 dead money~3-3.5bb6. 200-400 (75) 7. 300-600 (100) 300+600+100x9 players= 1,800 dead money~3-3.5bb8. 400-800 (150) 2,550 dead money~3-3.5bb9. 500-1,000 (200) 3,500 dead money~3-3.5bb10. 600-1,200 (200) 3,600 dead money~3-3.5bb11. 800-1,600 (300) 5,100 dead money~3-3.5bb12. 1,000-2,000 (400) 6,600 dead money~3-3.5bb13. 1,200-2,400 (500) 8,100 dead money~3-3.5bb14. 1,500-3,000 (500) 9,000 dead money~3-3.5bb15. 2,000-4,000 (1000) 14,000 dead money~3-3.5bb16. 2,500-5,000 (1000) 16,500 dead money~3-3.5bb17. 3,000-6,000 (1000) 18,000 dead money~3-3.5bb18. 4,000-8,000 (1000) 21,000 dead money~3-3.5bbThoughts?EPT structures look good this yr btw90 min levels at ft would be a good adjustment though. the rest of the trney has time restraints though obvhttp://www.caribbeanpokeradventure.com/tou...ents/structure/I asked John Duthie in a cash game this yr about them and he said they were going to be much better and they ended up pretty good.

I like this better than playing 4 of the same levels

[Fluffdog87 2]

Daniel posted that the PCA high roller tourney will have 4 levels of 150-300 to start this yr.Do you guys like the new structure I posted above or the 4 levels of 150-300 and then standard levels rest of the way structure?

[coug2828 8]

wouldn't 4 levels of the same blinds just be one really long level?

[Royal_Tour 0]

the "and so on" means that both are the same from that point on. Typical, standard progression. To some of the other posters. With a 50,000 stack, which level would you consider more MEANINGFUL play in terms of having an effect on your stack size? Most would agree that at the 50-100 level the fluctuation will be minuscule, but at 150-300 (25) the pots become more meaningful to your stack. Would you rather play four meaningful levels to start the tournament, or waste an hour folding and "niting it up."

I am with the 2nd one all the way.However, i dont think its a question of highlimit vs low limit. I think its a question of skill.a skilled player would rather 4 levels of 150/300 (25) Its much easier to snuff out the weak players in these spots. And to anyone like DN, or other smallball players, You want to control your pots, but still make a few bucks off them.whereas the 1st few levels of 50/100 are going to be very small pots for small ball players, in ratio to their stack size.which is annoying when a small ball player runs really hot for the first 4 hours, but cold for the next 4 hours.

[mtdesmoines 3]

That's because you aren't answering the question properly. You are supposed to be thinking like a high roller, willing to pay 25k to play in a tough tournament. Those types of players, I think almost unanimously are going to see that structure #2 is sooooooooooooooooo much better. Less wasting time, more actualy play. 167 bets is still very deep and you get 4 hours at that level.

With structure B, the advantage is that the pots are going to be "meaningful" earlier and the weaker players are going to get weeded out just that much faster and stacks are going to be built faster. However, I think the better player wants more time, more hands, and more spots to outplay the weaker players and would prefer the slower structure. But it's hard to say because the structure of "B" is flat and I don't have any experience with that