Global Warming

[LongLiveYorke 38]

canada is a pretty sweet place. and if I were hedging against global warming, I'd be buying coastal land somewhere up there.

You may want to rethink this plan.

[nutzbuster 7]

LOL JOKEOPENHAGENhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/30664

[Balloon guy 158]

LOL JOKEOPENHAGENhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/30664

COPENHAGEN — The Copenhagen climate change conference appeared to be imploding from within and exploding from without on Wednesday.Police fired tear gas, brandished batons and detained more than 200 protesters who tried to push through the security cordon around the Bella Center, as negotiations inside bogged down, for the second time this week, over differences between China and the West over emissions, funding issues and transparency. Nutz, these are serious issues. I mean we have to come to an understanding of what is motivating the Chinese to hold back on saving the environment until the US helps with the funding to make the necessary changes in their countries.Of course we will have to borrow the money from China to have it to give to them, but I don't see any other way we can protect the viability of Algore's $3 billion slush hedge fund without an outright war on the manufacturing capabilities of all third world nations

[strategy 4]

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[ahosang 0]

COPENHAGEN — The Copenhagen climate change conference appeared to be imploding from within and exploding from without on Wednesday.Police fired tear gas, brandished batons and detained more than 200 protesters who tried to push through the security cordon around the Bella Center, as negotiations inside bogged down, for the second time this week, over differences between China and the West over emissions, funding issues and transparency. Nutz, these are serious issues. I mean we have to come to an understanding of what is motivating the Chinese to hold back on saving the environment until the US helps with the funding to make the necessary changes in their countries.Of course we will have to borrow the money from China to have it to give to them, but I don't see any other way we can protect the viability of Algore's $3 billion slush hedge fund without an outright war on the manufacturing capabilities of all third world nations

That phrase is what this is all about, lol. Not really about warring on the third world existing capabilities, but exploiting the relative difference in those capabilities.Technological innovation = profit and growth in a capitalist system, right?By using the global warming scare to force new standards(emissions, etc), they have made new technology essential for maintainance of our developed lifestyle. Third world as well as First world will have to try and implement this to avoid fines, and to maintain industrialisation. The initial payouts to the Third world are an upfront investment cost(or bribe depending on the nation involved) to mitigate against their underdeveloped status. The arguments now are just over how much to be paid upfront...Once all nations are signed up to this carbon accounting, the First world corporations press ahead with some new technology, which is sold in its own nations as well as the Third world. Profit for the corporations, some level of employment(engineers, plant fitters, etc) and hey we have a solution for the capitalist slowdown. Consumers will be incentivised to buy new technology, firms to make it, banks to lend to it etc.Third world will have signed up, and so are probably forced to import this technology(unless they are able to reproduce it) and so First world wins again. Oh and if anyone really believes that politicians have ever given a damn about long-term(and are correct about this AGW tale), then yeh we'll save the planet for our future generations as well(lol and guffaw)...

[SCYUKON 0]

Oh, those Russians............http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...global-warming/

[Jeepster80125 0]

Oh, those Russians............http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...global-warming/

Interesting.

[CaneBrain 95]

Oh, those Russians............http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...global-warming/

We would have never contemplated falling for this during the Cold War. It's a trap!{Ackbar face}

[SCYUKON 0]

Now this is just plain funny. Poor Algore. And this was reported by a treehugging newspaper perhaps tires of tree sap?http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/envi...icle6956783.ece

[vbnautilus 48]

Let those among you who have never made up a statistic in a speech at an international conference cast the first stone.

[SCYUKON 0]

Let those among you who have never made up a statistic in a speech at an international conference cast the first stone.

Obv. brag post.

[nutzbuster 7]

this is pretty good....http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a

[SCYUKON 0]

this is pretty good....http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a

Holy Crap! Was this actually played on the Weather Network? I always figured those folks were on board the AGW propaganda train. To see the network founder come out with that is very strong indeed.

[brvheart 1,752]

If Obama signs this new treaty in Denmark, it will be awful.

[LincolnK 1]

this is pretty good....http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a

i found this interesting. would anyone care to counter any of the arguments in the video? i'd appreciate it.

[Balloon guy 158]

If Obama signs this new treaty in Denmark, it will be awful.

The bad thing is that everything else Obama touches fails so he may sign this just to be able to say he actually did something while he was president.Some people think it was motivation like this that got Kennedy to drag us into Vietnam

[Don Giovanni 0]

you know, i used to be all about the environment and global warming, but at this point, anyone who is still on board with it completely and dismissing these recent developments is showing themselves to be unobjective and unreasonable.environmentalism is a religion, and its followers support it on blind faith, but i find it funny that there are creationists in here trying to tell people to look at the evidence. all of you need to realize that reason must be used in every issue, not just those that help your party's talking points.

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[brvheart 1,752]

"For those of you who haven't yet caught the connection between socialism and the so-called "climate change" convention in Copenhagen, check out this video:http://www.breitbart.tv/flag-waving-commun...global-warming/With the U.S. being the second biggest "polluter," you would think the primary effort would be to have the U.S. reduce it's carbon footprint. If that's the case, why is the biggest point of contention the amount of money the U.S. will pay 3rd world countries to "fight global warming?" The U.S. will only pledge up to 50% of $100,000,000,000 per year -- which is short of the demands of third world countries, who are demanding $400,000,000,000 per year ... see article:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/17...imate-aid-fund/As one U.S. Congressman (Democrat from Colorado) says ... it doesn't matter whether global warming is true or not, this is our best chance at international socialism.If the real issue was reducing global warming, we would simply put a tax on carbon output and use it to pay down the deficit -- not to hand it over to the United Nations.... the convention is being considered a failure since they could not get real limits on carbon. But, have no fear, the international socialism part made it in ... it includes the $100,000,000,000 per year payment to developing countries. And U.S. taxpayers can expect extra costs of $1,300 - $7,000 per year EACH -- which the rest of the world thinks is ridiculously low. Of course, the last paragraph sums it up the best when it says "as with many of these deals, the real economic pain is postponed, in all likelihood until the president has left office." Here's the article:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/18...nce-copenhagen/Let's see, how does this work now? The main part of the health care bill does not kick in until 2014. The main part of the "assisted living" program, which is to be similar size to Social Security & Medicare, doesn't kick in until 2018. The $100,000,000,000 annual payments for international socialism don't kick in until 2014. Combined, the costs are expected to be about $10,000 - $20,000 per U.S. taxpayer. And, of course, the Cap & Trade bill will shift huge numbers of jobs oversees, which will push down wages. Don't forget, international treaties have the same authority as our constitution. It's not like we can just pass a law and back out.Sounds like Africa is going to give in and accept the small $100 billion / year offer. Sure glad Obama held his ground by only offering to give $100,000,000,000 per year. Hopefully, China will loan it to us.http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34896"

[hblask 1]

Don't forget, international treaties have the same authority as our constitution. It's not like we can just pass a law and back out.

This is basically false. International treaties have exactly as much authority of the willingness of other nations to enforce them on us. They are ignored all the time.A comment I saw said that no country will ruin itself over AGW. This is all a big game of chicken to see who will sign and who will live up to their promises. So far, in past climate agreements, nobody has met any of their goals and nothing happened.

[Sal Paradise 57]

[ahosang 0]

"For those of you who haven't yet caught the connection between socialism and the so-called "climate change" convention in Copenhagen, check out this video:http://www.breitbart.tv/flag-waving-commun...global-warming/With the U.S. being the second biggest "polluter," you would think the primary effort would be to have the U.S. reduce it's carbon footprint. If that's the case, why is the biggest point of contention the amount of money the U.S. will pay 3rd world countries to "fight global warming?" The U.S. will only pledge up to 50% of $100,000,000,000 per year -- which is short of the demands of third world countries, who are demanding $400,000,000,000 per year ... see article:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/17...imate-aid-fund/As one U.S. Congressman (Democrat from Colorado) says ... it doesn't matter whether global warming is true or not, this is our best chance at international socialism.If the real issue was reducing global warming, we would simply put a tax on carbon output and use it to pay down the deficit -- not to hand it over to the United Nations.... the convention is being considered a failure since they could not get real limits on carbon. But, have no fear, the international socialism part made it in ... it includes the $100,000,000,000 per year payment to developing countries. And U.S. taxpayers can expect extra costs of $1,300 - $7,000 per year EACH -- which the rest of the world thinks is ridiculously low. Of course, the last paragraph sums it up the best when it says "as with many of these deals, the real economic pain is postponed, in all likelihood until the president has left office." Here's the article:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/18...nce-copenhagen/Let's see, how does this work now? The main part of the health care bill does not kick in until 2014. The main part of the "assisted living" program, which is to be similar size to Social Security & Medicare, doesn't kick in until 2018. The $100,000,000,000 annual payments for international socialism don't kick in until 2014. Combined, the costs are expected to be about $10,000 - $20,000 per U.S. taxpayer. And, of course, the Cap & Trade bill will shift huge numbers of jobs oversees, which will push down wages. Don't forget, international treaties have the same authority as our constitution. It's not like we can just pass a law and back out.Sounds like Africa is going to give in and accept the small $100 billion / year offer. Sure glad Obama held his ground by only offering to give $100,000,000,000 per year. Hopefully, China will loan it to us.http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34896"

Those videos etc with Hammer & Sickle flags are of young students and neo-hippies. Forget them, they control nothing. They are on this bandwagon, but will be on any with a leftist flavour. They are clueless fools who do not know what they march for...The term 'international socialism' is very good though. It's socialism by redistributive effort, then I agree with the term. But public ownership of enterprise is off the agenda. A capitalist base is secure for now. It's the taxes and global governance that form the socialists' power.

[Balloon guy 158]

you know, i used to be all about the environment and global warming, but at this point, anyone who is still on board with it completely and dismissing these recent developments is showing themselves to be unobjective and unreasonable.environmentalism is a religion, and its followers support it on blind faith, but i find it funny that there are creationists in here trying to tell people to look at the evidence. all of you need to realize that reason must be used in every issue, not just those that help your party's talking points.

Well at least you are consistent.And the similarities are striking.The globe has warmed up, it's the reasons and actions to 'correct it' we are disagreeing about. There is a God, it's the reasons and action to 'follow Him' that we are in disagreement about.You can be pro-environment and not buy into the belief that SUVs are evil.You can be pro-God and not buy into the belief of organized religion.There are lots of people making lots of money on the global warming issue.There are lots of people making lots of money on the religion issue.Pretending that man is smart enough to understand the complexities of the environment in total is arrogance.Pretending that man is smart enough to discount God in total is arrogance.If we ignore the environment, we will end up with a crappy future.If we ignore God, we will end up with a crappy future.

[Don Giovanni 0]

Well at least you are consistent.And the similarities are striking.The globe has warmed up, it's the reasons and actions to 'correct it' we are disagreeing about. There is a God, it's the reasons and action to 'follow Him' that we are in disagreement about.You can be pro-environment and not buy into the belief that SUVs are evil.You can be pro-God and not buy into the belief of organized religion.There are lots of people making lots of money on the global warming issue.There are lots of people making lots of money on the religion issue.Pretending that man is smart enough to understand the complexities of the environment in total is arrogance.Pretending that man is smart enough to discount God in total is arrogance.If we ignore the environment, we will end up with a crappy future.If we ignore God, we will end up with a crappy future.

i dont agree completely, but you have a good general point here. the main thing is that we cannot force these types of things on other people by law. if you want to voluntarily worship whatever god, fine. if you want to voluntarily recycle, great. but the second any group starts forcing their views on the world, that needs to be shot down.and yes, global warming has seemed to have dropped about a foot and a half (and counting) of snow outside my door, the most in probably 10 years.

[SCYUKON 0]

Hmmn - wonder is Obama has to land in this chit on his way home........http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/weather/12/19/w...ther/index.html