SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I gave Manny 4 rounds in total. i just don't see that so far. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 round 9 to pac man. 6 to 3 pac man. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 round 10 to mayweather. 6 to 4 pac. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 round 11 to mayweather. 6 to 5 pac. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 round 12 to pac. pac wins 7 to 5. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 i can see mayweather winning 7 to 5, but 10 to 2 mayweather is insanity. 8 to 4 maybe, i didn't see it, but maybe. i thought floyd didn't do anything, never hit manny hard and ran away and i don't give credit for that. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Last nights Canelo fight was great. How did Mayweather dominate this guy so hard? Guess that speaks to Floyd's defensive (running?) ability GGG next weekend Cotto also fighting soon Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 He's 24. He was only like 22 or 23 when he fought Mayweather. Canelo will be the dominant champ very shortly and I can't wait since he causes such massive, hilarious ethnic confusion. He is in the weight range of GGG, which is another potential superfight but only a long time from now after they've ducked each other for a decade and need the bread to pay back taxes. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 i can see mayweather winning 7 to 5, but 10 to 2 mayweather is insanity. 8 to 4 maybe, i didn't see it, but maybe. i thought floyd didn't do anything, never hit manny hard and ran away and i don't give credit for that. Under 10 point must, traditionally, clean punching and defense are hugely overvalued compared to generalship and aggressiveness even though the latter two are considered in scoring for a reason even though lately nobody cares. Mayweathers style of close-in defense and counters is almost impossible to beat decisively on points but only when judges undervalue the other criteria that go into scoring. When they value aggression, Mayweather looks cheaper. CJ Ross gets mocked but she wasn't entirely out of line for her scoring in May/Canelo. She just decided to ding Mayweather for being tricky (and black). Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I didn't realize that the full Resto/Collins fight was up on Youtube. 1983, Luis Resto took out the majority of padding in his gloves and soaked his wraps in plaster of paris, effectively turning his hands into rocks. He beat Billy Collins so badly, he ended his career. After the fight, when Resto went over to shake hands, Collins trainer realized his gloves were dramatically under-padded. Resto actually wound up doing a couple years in prison because of this fight and that was because of the rigged gloves. Only years later did he admit to the plaster wraps. Billy Collins committed suicide shortly thereafter in 1984. He was undefeated with a string of early KO's against legit opponents. Whenever you see a ref check the hands and gloves of a fighter before entering the ring, this is why. Also, look at that crowd at Madison Square Garden turning out for the fights in the early 80's. I wish those times were now. If you want to see the video cued up from when the shit hit the fan and Collins corner realized the gloves were juiced, its cued up here. Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Canelo beat the shit out of Kirkland last night, that was fun Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Scram, there was a documentary about that fight and Collins Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 his jaw will need to wired shut for the next 12 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The Russian internet is failing hard on this Canelo fight. The Portuguese usually come through on Sapo.pt. Lets try there. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I wonder how GGG will do against a high level opponent. The fact he fights Nobuhiro Ishida at 25-0 should give you some insight into the types of fights he takes, which would not be permitted if this sport were managed effectively through fear and intimidation, as is basically the only thing its participants understand. How many of his prime years are squandered fighting cans? If I could reincarnate Stalin right now, I would put him in charge of running boxing. Maybe Don King could be persuaded back into the game. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 In his defense, I think he gets dodged more than Chrysler. Or something. Nobody wants to fight him. Not a huge name for the average fan, high risk for the fighter. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 They are ducking him, but he isn't fighting any up and comers or willing, potentially dangerous established fighters, either. That's the danger of being 'that kind' of fighter such as GGG. The guys at the higher levels duck you because they don't want to lose what they have while you don't want to risk what you have built up by taking on prime contenders who have a lot less to lose than you do. You get stuck in a holding pattern of can after can. As noted, all this could be fixed if boxing matches were regulated by a central authority who mandated what fights would take place under penalty of banishment from the sport. We might like to rag on Dana White but if MMA were like Boxing, there would be 950 different belts across 20 organizations for every 6 ounces of weight and good fights would take place once ever 10 years. Harsh dictatorship is the only thing that works in fight sports Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Chocalito, Roman Gonzalez was a beast tonight and GGG is looking great so far. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 there's no one who could beat GGG. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Freddie Roach says that Cotto will face Canelo prior to facing GGG. http://www.latinpost...eddie-roach.htm Assuming Canelo gets past Cotto (he should), and if GGG doesn't duck (which he may), that (Canelo/GGG) would be a fight I might pay to see. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 GGG would destroy Canelo. Also, I'm not so sure Canelo would get past Cotto. Cotto looked really good under a professional trainer instead of his dad, uncle, or whatever familia he was using during the majority of his career. I think Cotto is on a completely different tier if he had a real trainer during his prime years. Canelo may be the most well liked boxer in the world. I can't think of anyone else who even comes close. Pacquiao maybe? Canelo is one of the biggest light welterweights I've seen. He hits super hard, can actually box, and he's got speed for his size which may surprise some fighters but the top tier fighters will adjust almost immediately. I'm not sure stepping up to middleweight would be a good choice for his future. GGG is ridiculous. He ticks off every single point on how to build the best boxer. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Then lets see him fight someone who isn't a bum. You see his last opponent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Monroe,_Jr. I agree with most everything you said but I think that GGG is ducking. Link to post Share on other sites
Scroom 436 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Boxing on tomorrow on ESPN Begins at 9:00e so overlaps with the 189 prelims (which end at 10e) but should be able to catch the Thurman fight after UFC is over. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I agree with most everything you said but I think that GGG is ducking. the consensus, from the media, seems to be that everyone is ducking GGG. GGG has called out all the other top guys and none of them are willing to fight him. Link to post Share on other sites
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