Best Value Extracting Line Postflop?

[SwolyswoND 1]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton (t2735)Hero (SB) (t4005)BB (t2260)Hero's M: 44.50Preflop: Hero is SB with A , K Button bets t210, Hero raises to t720, 1 fold, Button calls t510Flop: (t1500) 4 , A , 4 (2 players)My default in 3bet pots is to check my whole range on Ace high flops. He's going to get it in here if he has an Ace anyway, and probably fold most PP's if I lead. Does the FD change that thinking at all? Obviously if I check and he bets somewhat big we can just get it in. What about if he bets...say... 360? Now what?

[SGFULTON83 0]

What about if he bets...say... 360? Now what?

Depending on how button has been playing, we could go ahead and shove. Or we could flat and wait for him to fire the turn to get it in there.

[rrumsey 0]

What about if he bets...say... 360? Now what?

uhm this may be silly and i usually hate flating on drawy boards but i would call a small bet and pray for a none club turn and fire giving him better odds to call off his stack. We could get it in on flop, but we really want it in so this could be a decent spot for some passive play. Of course thsi line could go horribly wrong if we check, he either checks behind or we do check call and see a flush. i still stick him in but in hindsight you may hate this play sometimes. I think it gets it in pretty decent amount of the time thou

[SwolyswoND 1]

No other thoughts on this?

[Fade2241 0]

i def like the flop check and if he bets $360 i like a min raise.at first glance you're prob not getting a whole lot of replies because any way you play it you're going to get similar results. most of the time you're not going to get value from 55-99 hands on this board and tt+ is probably getting it in aipf ne ways.

[qnshustler 0]

I used to default cbet here but I've grown to appreciate the check if your doing it with your whole range. Like Fade said this is all pretty standard you're just trying to get it in as soon as you can. I'd barely give the flush draw a second thought as you are so rarely going to be hurt by that here.

[qnshustler 0]

Sorry just realized I didn't actually contribute any plans, lol...go for c/r, if he checks behind bet 1/3-1/2 pot on turn and hope he spazzes with something I guess. Never considering a fold IMO.

[TrueAce13 18]

This really comes down to player dependency throughout the tourneyWith his flat on the button I think his range is leaning more towards like 55-99...and i definitely could see him barreling to a check, but at the same time he might check back. I would prolly check here and if he checks back, i'd prolly check the turn too to get weaker hands to induce.But a bet wouldn't be bad....i dunno just is table dynamic dependent

[SwolyswoND 1]

This really comes down to player dependency throughout the tourneyWith his flat on the button I think his range is leaning more towards like 55-99...and i definitely could see him barreling to a check, but at the same time he might check back. I would prolly check here and if he checks back, i'd prolly check the turn too to get weaker hands to induce.But a bet wouldn't be bad....i dunno just is table dynamic dependent

Isn't 55-99 going to fold to a flop cbet like 95% of the time? My 3bet range would crush that range on this flop...he'd have to hope I had KQ or some lower PP. I think if he were to check behind on the flop, I'd probably lead the turn a little less than 1/2 pot and just hope he has a stubborn PP that thinks I'm bluffing now. I think he probably bets the turn very few times even if I check again.My biggest problem is what to do after his crappy minbet. Villain did bet 360. Now what? I'm never scared of a 4 here, but I can't see an Ace betting this little, so I don't think a c/rAI is too good here. CiB? c/c and then lead turn? I would hate to c/c and then check the turn again.

[XXEddie 0]

Isn't 55-99 going to fold to a flop cbet like 95% of the time? My 3bet range would crush that range on this flop...he'd have to hope I had KQ or some lower PP. I think if he were to check behind on the flop, I'd probably lead the turn a little less than 1/2 pot and just hope he has a stubborn PP that thinks I'm bluffing now. I think he probably bets the turn very few times even if I check again.My biggest problem is what to do after his crappy minbet. Villain did bet 360. Now what? I'm never scared of a 4 here, but I can't see an Ace betting this little, so I don't think a c/rAI is too good here. CiB? c/c and then lead turn? I would hate to c/c and then check the turn again.

I tank for like 20 seconds and flat trying to make villain put me on KK-TT or so. This is a strange way to play a club draw if he has one. He should either check behind so the freebie or actually make a bet with some FE. If a club falls on the turn, I just put him in. If he has the flush at that point or 4x, 44...good for him. The last thing you really want if for a PP or Ax to get there with one little stinking club.Any turn brick I check/shove. If he checks behind. V-bet 1/3 the pot any non-club. Seeing is how a check on the turn would make me thing FD, but the flop donk bet makes me think not.

[TrueAce13 18]

I never said that we should lead out..i said b/c of his flat I lean toward checking, but again...this comes down to player dependency on how we should play this

[Luke00016 0]

Isn't 55-99 going to fold to a flop cbet like 95% of the time? My 3bet range would crush that range on this flop...he'd have to hope I had KQ or some lower PP. I think if he were to check behind on the flop, I'd probably lead the turn a little less than 1/2 pot and just hope he has a stubborn PP that thinks I'm bluffing now. I think he probably bets the turn very few times even if I check again.My biggest problem is what to do after his crappy minbet. Villain did bet 360. Now what? I'm never scared of a 4 here, but I can't see an Ace betting this little, so I don't think a c/rAI is too good here. CiB? c/c and then lead turn? I would hate to c/c and then check the turn again.

I agree that middle PP are folding here pretty frequently to a cbet. You're advertising that you aren't scared of that ace, and unless you've been playing crazy so far, he probably wouldn't realistically put you on anything else (although he may be stubborn).I agree that this line doesn't make a huge amount of sense from villain's perspective. It just feels like one of two things to me. It may be an incredibly small probe bet with a PP, his thinking being that if you missed the ace, you don't have a 4, and if you didn't have a PP he's ahead and you'll go away quietly. That, or he does have an ace, isn't scared of you having a 4, and is just trying to get a few more chips in from you, with him thinking that he's way ahead.I don't think either of those two lines are particularly good, but I don't really see where else this tiny bet fits.Unless he's playing AA in the whole (super unlikely), hit his boat and is putting a small bet begging you to call, I don't really see what else his line may be. Of course, that would just be sick.