you know you're playing a fish when he says...

[hank213 1,823]

this thread has jumped the shark.

[XXEddie 0]

this thread has jumped the shark.

we've already discussed this....'jump the shark' has jumped the shark

[Merby 3]

There are no fishy comments in the following hand, but actions speak louder than words.PokerStars Game #11899295347: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/09/06 - 02:07:09 (ET)Table 'Ain' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: Lakeshow209 ($120.60 in chips) Seat 2: soldatti ($52.90 in chips) Seat 3: Merby ($195.55 in chips) Seat 4: SONY888 ($50 in chips) Seat 5: verygud ($49 in chips) Lakeshow209: posts small blind $0.25soldatti: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Merby [2c Jh]Merby: folds SONY888: folds verygud: folds Rysare joins the table at seat #6 Lakeshow209: raises $1.50 to $2soldatti: calls $1.50*** FLOP *** [Qs 3d Ad]Lakeshow209: bets $2soldatti: calls $2*** TURN *** [Qs 3d Ad] [4d]Lakeshow209 is disconnected Lakeshow209 has timed out while disconnectedLakeshow209: checks soldatti: checks *** RIVER *** [Qs 3d Ad 4d] [Kd]Lakeshow209 has timed out while disconnectedLakeshow209: checks soldatti: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***Lakeshow209: shows [5c 4h] (a pair of Fours)soldatti: shows [Jd Ah] (a flush, Ace high)soldatti collected $7.65 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $8 | Rake $0.35 Board [Qs 3d Ad 4d Kd]Seat 1: Lakeshow209 (small blind) showed [5c 4h] and lost with a pair of FoursSeat 2: soldatti (big blind) showed [Jd Ah] and won ($7.65) with a flush, Ace highSeat 3: Merby folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: SONY888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: verygud (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Observe how soldatti has *two* opportunities to steal the pot from a disconnect and chooses to check instead of betting. This table had *No all-in protection*. The only way this hand is better, is if Lakeshow ends up having the Qd for the nuts and takes down the pot while disconnected.

[VernonME 0]

There are no fishy comments in the following hand, but actions speak louder than words.PokerStars Game #11899295347: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/09/06 - 02:07:09 (ET)Table 'Ain' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: Lakeshow209 ($120.60 in chips) Seat 2: soldatti ($52.90 in chips) Seat 3: Merby ($195.55 in chips) Seat 4: SONY888 ($50 in chips) Seat 5: verygud ($49 in chips) Lakeshow209: posts small blind $0.25soldatti: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Merby [2c Jh]Merby: folds SONY888: folds verygud: folds Rysare joins the table at seat #6 Lakeshow209: raises $1.50 to $2soldatti: calls $1.50*** FLOP *** [Qs 3d Ad]Lakeshow209: bets $2soldatti: calls $2*** TURN *** [Qs 3d Ad] [4d]Lakeshow209 is disconnected Lakeshow209 has timed out while disconnectedLakeshow209: checks soldatti: checks *** RIVER *** [Qs 3d Ad 4d] [Kd]Lakeshow209 has timed out while disconnectedLakeshow209: checks soldatti: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***Lakeshow209: shows [5c 4h] (a pair of Fours)soldatti: shows [Jd Ah] (a flush, Ace high)soldatti collected $7.65 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $8 | Rake $0.35 Board [Qs 3d Ad 4d Kd]Seat 1: Lakeshow209 (small blind) showed [5c 4h] and lost with a pair of FoursSeat 2: soldatti (big blind) showed [Jd Ah] and won ($7.65) with a flush, Ace highSeat 3: Merby folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: SONY888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: verygud (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Observe how soldatti has *two* opportunities to steal the pot from a disconnect and chooses to check instead of betting. This table had *No all-in protection*. The only way this hand is better, is if Lakeshow ends up having the Qd for the nuts and takes down the pot while disconnected.

Not really fishy.. just those type of players that would check a hand down due to his opponent being disconnected, than send back the money to the disconnectee.

[Merby 3]

Not really fishy.. just those type of players that would check a hand down due to his opponent being disconnected, than send back the money to the disconnectee.

I'm a ladder-climbing, self-centered capitalist whose number one "deadly sin" is greed⁽¹⁾, so I am completely incapable of picturing this kind of charitable world view.⁽¹⁾ Except, of course, when --a) a distractingly beautiful woman is within line of sight, --b) I am currently engaged in --or about to begin having-- sexual intercourse,--c) I am watching soft-core/hard-core porn on my tv/computer,--d) I am talking to a beautiful woman over the phone/internet, or around a corner, or in some other situation that does not fall under option (a) or (b),--e) Any other random period of time (approximately occurring once in every 7 to 15 seconds) where my line of thinking would be subject to the deadly sin "Lust"

[DelftDragons 0]

Some guy told me that pot odds only existed for authors to sell books and no one should pay attention to them.

That's what I tell my fish all the time.

[psujohn 0]

Thus, holding QQ on a QXX flop is much better than holding QX on a QQX flop.

Yeah but in both cases you have Qs full of Xs so it really doesn't matter much. (sw)

[DelftDragons 0]

I'm a ladder-climbing, self-centered capitalist whose number one "deadly sin" is greed⁽¹⁾, so I am completely incapable of picturing this kind of charitable world view.⁽¹⁾ Except, of course, when --a) a distractingly beautiful woman is within line of sight, --B) I am currently engaged in --or about to begin having-- sexual intercourse,--c) I am watching soft-core/hard-core porn on my tv/computer,--d) I am talking to a beautiful woman over the phone/internet, or around a corner, or in some other situation that does not fall under option (a) or (B),--e) Any other random period of time (approximately occurring once in every 7 to 15 seconds) where my line of thinking would be subject to the deadly sin "Lust"

One time heads up after a long MTT me and the other guy equal stacks.He gets disconnected and I do not know if he'll be back so I start taking the blinds. He comes back and is about a 5/1 behind in chips. Obviously he starts bitching a bit and I tell him I'll give him a chance to win it back. I tell him I am holding 8-2 ofsuite(which I had), he says he is holding Jacks. So I go all in, he calls.Board ends up something like 2-5 -Q-9-2. and I win the toernie.Afterwards we came to the conclusion it would have been better to check down to the river and then look who has the best hand before going all in.

[BeaverStyle 1]

Ok, this isn't something somebody said... but I just witnessed this hand, and I'm speechless.PokerStars Game #11902892792: Tournament #60402060, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/09/06 - 11:22:27 (ET)Table '60402060 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 2: Louis1415 (2270 in chips) Seat 3: MISS GTO (1905 in chips) Seat 4: PhoenixDan8 (1735 in chips) Seat 6: dannyheffels (1930 in chips) Seat 7: pinoy1344 (3830 in chips) Seat 8: Beaverstyle (3360 in chips) PhoenixDan8: posts small blind 75dannyheffels: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [Td 7h]pinoy1344: folds Beaverstyle: folds Louis1415: folds MISS GTO: calls 150PhoenixDan8: folds dannyheffels: checks *** FLOP *** [3h 4s 8c]dannyheffels: bets 150MISS GTO: raises 150 to 300dannyheffels: calls 150*** TURN *** [3h 4s 8c] [Jd]dannyheffels: bets 150MISS GTO: raises 150 to 300dannyheffels: calls 150*** RIVER *** [3h 4s 8c Jd] [9d]dannyheffels: bets 300MISS GTO: folds dannyheffels collected 1575 from potdannyheffels: doesn't show hand Anyone wanna give a crack at analyzing this gem?

[rdtedm 0]

Anyone wanna give a crack at analyzing this gem?

Bad?

[pele_br 0]

BDPoolie: I had a setmserd: No. you had trips ******BDPoolie: Yes...i had trips.....Trips is a setmserd: NoBDPoolie: LOLmserd: trips and set are differentBDPoolie: ok..you are right...Please tell me what a set is thenmserd: set is when you have a PP and hit a third one

Who is supposed to be the fish? To be fair though, I did think they were the same thing too until someone explained it to me. The difference is I didn't post it here...

[pele_br 0]

Wow....okay, I guess I'm the fish then, because I've been playing for 20 years, and have been a poker dealer off and on for 5 years and have never heard that.A set and trips have always been the same to me.Maybe I'm just missing something here...they ARE still the same hand in strength, right? Yeah...so, tomato tomatoe.

I don't want to seem annoying (maybe it's too late) but a set is stronger for at least 2 reasons:1) your "three of a kind" is more disguised when you have a set.2) If you are holding a PP and hit, you are the only person capable of making "three of a kind" with that cardCarry on with the fish quotes...

[pele_br 0]

No, there are a couple of big differences:1) There is a chance someone else is holding the other card, which could result in you losing to trips w/ a better kicker2) The paired board increases the risk of someone hitting/holding a full houseThus, holding QQ on a QXX flop is much better than holding QX on a QQX flop.

DOH!

[ghostlove 0]

Yeah but in both cases you have Qs full of Xs so it really doesn't matter much. (sw)

nice catch

[barrec 0]

One time heads up after a long MTT me and the other guy equal stacks.He gets disconnected and I do not know if he'll be back so I start taking the blinds. He comes back and is about a 5/1 behind in chips. Obviously he starts bitching a bit and I tell him I'll give him a chance to win it back. I tell him I am holding 8-2 ofsuite(which I had), he says he is holding Jacks. So I go all in, he calls.Board ends up something like 2-5 -Q-9-2. and I win the toernie.Afterwards we came to the conclusion it would have been better to check down to the river and then look who has the best hand before going all in.

so...you didn't want to win all that money after a long mtt?

[XXEddie 0]

so...you didn't want to win all that money after a long mtt?

QFTsucks for him, i know he is upset, but he would do the same thing to you, an most likely not give it backand an even smarter thing to do, than checking to the river, would be you to raise 99% of his stack and fold. So if he has 845,000, you would make it 844,999 then fold when he shoves

[XXEddie 0]

after limp/calling a 5xBB raise with T9o and being called a donk'Whats wrong with it? I've been hitting a lot of hands, I start playing more hands because I'm running good. I dont see how that makes me a donk'

[Dictius 0]

Full Tilt Poker Game #3493090165: Table Vine (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:09:35 ET - 2007/09/07Seat 1: Bauko ($29.55)Seat 2: easthill918 ($19.75)Seat 3: TylerDurden88 ($10.40)Seat 4: Dictius ($10)Seat 5: megamandukes ($2.85)Seat 6: Livy_RFC ($4)TylerDurden88 posts the small blind of $0.05Dictius posts the big blind of $0.105 seconds left to actLivy_RFC has been disconnectedLivy_RFC is sitting outTime has expiredThe button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Dictius [Ah Qs]Livy_RFC has reconnectedmegamandukes raises to $0.20Bauko foldsLivy_RFC has returnedeasthill918 calls $0.20TylerDurden88 foldsDictius calls $0.10*** FLOP *** [Jd 2c Kh]Dictius checksmegamandukes bets $0.40easthill918 foldsDictius calls $0.40*** TURN *** [Jd 2c Kh] [5s]Dictius checksmegamandukes checks*** RIVER *** [Jd 2c Kh 5s] [Js]Dictius checksmegamandukes checks*** SHOW DOWN ***megamandukes shows [Jc Jh] four of a kind, JacksDictius mucksmegamandukes wins the pot ($1.35) with four of a kind, Jacks*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1.45 | Rake $0.10Board: [Jd 2c Kh 5s Js]Seat 1: Bauko didn't bet (folded)Seat 2: easthill918 (button) folded on the FlopSeat 3: TylerDurden88 (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 4: Dictius (big blind) mucked [Ah Qs] - a pair of JacksSeat 5: megamandukes showed [Jc Jh] and won ($1.35) with four of a kind, JacksSeat 6: Livy_RFC is sitting outDictius: ...Dictius: did you just check the river with quads?megamandukes: i wasnt going to get n e more money so what?Dealer: megamandukes has 15 seconds left to actDictius: lol truemegamandukes: hehemegamandukes: seemegamandukes: thanks 4 the tell

[onlyme386 0]

PokerStars Game #11931293006: Tournament #59838044, $9.00+$0.90 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/09/07 - 21:47:43 (ET)Table '59838044 39' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: luckyfish76 (2845 in chips) Seat 2: xcheck (825 in chips) Seat 3: silentchat (1095 in chips) Seat 4: onlyme386 (2855 in chips) Seat 5: markpocketA (2050 in chips) Seat 6: Zackattak13 (1785 in chips) Seat 7: CoinFlipper2 (2955 in chips) Seat 8: Dishdash (6105 in chips) markpocketA: posts small blind 25Zackattak13: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to onlyme386 [Qd Ac]CoinFlipper2: folds Dishdash: folds luckyfish76: folds xcheck: calls 50silentchat: folds onlyme386: raises 150 to 200markpocketA: folds Zackattak13: folds xcheck: raises 625 to 825 and is all-inonlyme386: calls 625*** FLOP *** [5c 7c 3h]sharkfour44 is connected *** TURN *** [5c 7c 3h] [9s]*** RIVER *** [5c 7c 3h 9s] [7d]*** SHOW DOWN ***xcheck: shows [6c 9c] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)onlyme386: shows [Qd Ac] (a pair of Sevens)xcheck collected 1725 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1725 | Rake 0 Board [5c 7c 3h 9s 7d]Seat 1: luckyfish76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: xcheck showed [6c 9c] and won (1725) with two pair, Nines and SevensSeat 3: silentchat folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: onlyme386 (button) showed [Qd Ac] and lost with a pair of SevensSeat 5: markpocketA (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: Zackattak13 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: CoinFlipper2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Dishdash folded before Flop (didn't bet)onlyme386: well played xcheck: ty xcheck: well u have to admit, makes it tuff to know what I haveonlyme386: only thing it makes me sure of is that you shouldn't be in this tournament anymore onlyme386: who gave you the $10 to play it? xcheck: not sure why ur whining u over played the AQ anyway onlyme386: lmao onlyme386: ok onlyme386: right you WAY outplayed mexcheck: I knew u had AQ, AK xcheck: so predictable onlyme386: and that was why 69 was a good shove? onlyme386: yeah.. you outplayed me xcheck: lol xcheck: i know

[fatman 1]

It's true, I once had my trips crushed by a set

Must have hurt.

[TRB05 1]

Yeah but in both cases you have Qs full of Xs so it really doesn't matter much. (sw)

nh

[BeaverStyle 1]

Is this considered an open-farrell?PokerStars Game #11945417480: Tournament #59855169, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/09/08 - 16:53:36 (ET)Table '59855169 75' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: AllinONkk (8250 in chips) Seat 2: *Malcom*_fr (73332 in chips) Seat 3: aceskay (36377 in chips) Seat 4: boravu (16545 in chips) Seat 5: Beaverstyle (30863 in chips) Seat 6: BertuzziX (2115 in chips) Seat 7: JAX98 (20134 in chips) Seat 8: CleytonBR (21971 in chips) Seat 9: Scoop82 (17895 in chips) AllinONkk: posts the ante 75*Malcom*_fr: posts the ante 75aceskay: posts the ante 75boravu: posts the ante 75Beaverstyle: posts the ante 75BertuzziX: posts the ante 75JAX98: posts the ante 75CleytonBR: posts the ante 75Scoop82: posts the ante 75Scoop82: posts small blind 400AllinONkk: posts big blind 800*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [5h 5d]*Malcom*_fr: folds aceskay: folds boravu: folds Beaverstyle: raises 1300 to 2100BertuzziX: folds JAX98: folds CleytonBR: folds Scoop82: folds AllinONkk: calls 1300*** FLOP *** [Ac Qs Ad]AllinONkk: folds Beaverstyle collected 5275 from pot

[Balloon guy 158]

Is this considered an open-farrell?*** FLOP *** [Ac Qs Ad]AllinONkk: folds Beaverstyle collected 5275 from pot

No, A pure open farrel has to be preformed with the clear intention of letting another player know that they do not have to worry about you. Had there been another player in the pot, then yes. But head's up. Sorry, no. Just your standard speculation hand of 88 not wanting to put the pressure on you by check raising you.

[BeaverStyle 1]

Wasn't really paying attention, cuz i'm in a 3r... but wtf is he thinking? LOL at my hand holding up and not being a chop.PokerStars Game #11945626767: Tournament #60622751, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/09/08 - 17:06:42 (ET)Table '60622751 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: suzieqz (8660 in chips) Seat 2: ProudAmrican (5700 in chips) Seat 3: Harry thefox (975 in chips) Seat 5: Beaverstyle (935 in chips) Seat 6: recordwayne2 (2330 in chips) Beaverstyle: posts small blind 50recordwayne2: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [5c 6h]HIT AWAY is connected rdkingbluez is connected Inoc is connected suzieqz: folds ProudAmrican: folds guillaumesbh is connected Harry thefox: folds Beaverstyle: raises 835 to 935 and is all-inrecordwayne2: calls 835*** FLOP *** [3c Td As]Beaverstyle said, "wtf????"*** TURN *** [3c Td As] [Jh]*** RIVER *** [3c Td As Jh] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***Beaverstyle: shows [5c 6h] (high card Ace)recordwayne2: shows [6d 2d] (high card Ace - lower kicker)

[Sheiky 0]

"I'm Eric Ryland"