Akos In Bb

[dapokerbum 0]

So, i have sat down for roughly 3 orbits starting to get a feel for the players. For me it has been too long since I have been in a casino and it felt good to try to get back to form. Anyway there is a youngish player OTB, seen a few plays and seemed like an ok player. And then the SB who sat down 4 hands ago. The hand before he raised from the BB and got a cooler on the river. PP vs J10 straight hit on the river.Stacks areOTB - $200SB - $200BB - $175So, MP min raise to $6, OTB raises to $15, then SB makes it $55 to go. Is this normally an insta muck or insta fist pump all in? Thought process, was could he really have another PP or is he just steaming from the last hand and what of the other players in the hand.Thanks. BTW I hardly get to post in here because I rarely get to the casino, but this was the one hand that sticks out in my head.Well actually i'm gonna throw in a bonus hand cause I just thought of it. This was later in the session. LP is an ok player, Cutoff guy is a solid player, BB relatively new to the table, but everyone seemed to know him. I am in MP and get dealt two red Aces. I raise to $12 and am called by LP, CO, BB.StacksLP - $200CO - $400BB - $120Hero - $120Flop comes 5s 8s 10dBB checks, I bet $20 and it gets called by everyone. Turn is a 2hBB checks, Hero?

[trystero 0]

so we're 100 bbs deep w/akoin a live game full-ringand the action's gone raise, 3-bet, 4-beteasy foldhand 2, bet more otf, see no reason to slow down

[MNmiracleCJS 0]

hand 1: if you're in the mood to at best coin flip for stacks by all means all in other wise save yourself the stress and muckhand 2: I prolly raise more pf because its middle position and i dont want that many coming along for the ride. Naturally flop bet is gonna be more but still id like to see something like 3/4 of the pot so like 36(your pfr) up to like 44 depending on pre flop action.turn i see no reason not to shove considering pot size to stack ratio no reason to think we arent ahead

[mb2k 0]

1st hand - fold unless you want a coin flip2nd hand - looks like everyone called your flop bet because it was too small (less than half the pot if I'm counting right). probably facing a spade draw or two, and a strong 10. Bet big or shove on the turn to get rid of the draws and if you're lucky you get called by the ten. If you're facing a set, you're facing a set, end of story!

[DonkSlayer 1]

So, i have sat down for roughly 3 orbits starting to get a feel for the players. For me it has been too long since I have been in a casino and it felt good to try to get back to form. Anyway there is a youngish player OTB, seen a few plays and seemed like an ok player. And then the SB who sat down 4 hands ago. The hand before he raised from the BB and got a cooler on the river. PP vs J10 straight hit on the river.Stacks areOTB - $200SB - $200BB - $175So, MP min raise to $6, OTB raises to $15, then SB makes it $55 to go. Is this normally an insta muck or insta fist pump all in? Thought process, was could he really have another PP or is he just steaming from the last hand and what of the other players in the hand.Thanks. BTW I hardly get to post in here because I rarely get to the casino, but this was the one hand that sticks out in my head.Well actually i'm gonna throw in a bonus hand cause I just thought of it. This was later in the session. LP is an ok player, Cutoff guy is a solid player, BB relatively new to the table, but everyone seemed to know him. I am in MP and get dealt two red Aces. I raise to $12 and am called by LP, CO, BB.StacksLP - $200CO - $400BB - $120Hero - $120Flop comes 5s 8s 10dBB checks, I bet $20 and it gets called by everyone. Turn is a 2hBB checks, Hero?

Hand one is fold or shove, and I like shoving...good squeeze against OTB who could be trying to iso the donkminraise, and SB could be steam-raising with a wide range here, and you're rarely uber-behind. If our read on SB was "rock" or "solid", I'd muck AK oop here. Calling is the worst option imo.2nd hand, bet more on the flop...at least $30, although I probably would've close-to-potted it, as live 1/2 players love chasing them some draws. As played, I shove the turn.

[SwolyswoND 1]

1st hand is a turbo-muck. 1/2 live players, simply put, do NOT 4-bet with QQ or less. This is KK/AA every time live.2nd hand, as others have said, you need to bet more on the flop. Live players are very passive and will chase draws regardless of the price, and no one will fold TP no matter your bet size, so yeah, I pot it for like 45. As played to the turn, shove, you only have $88 left and the pot is over $120. (This is why you need to keep your stack size topped off)

[dapokerbum 0]

Thanks for all the reponses guys, this was mainly a line check since I have been so out of practice lately!Hand 1: I did end up folding, but really really wanted to go all in and hopefully be up against a SB tilt raise, but was not worth it with others to act. As it turned out everyone else folded, so who knows what it was.Hand 2: I was really unsure of the amount to bet on the flop, so I usually would want to go with a pot sized bet or maybe 3/4 pot ... got it. I did push the turn and got the spade draw to fold (he flipped his cards before he threw them in the muck)

[DonkSlayer 1]

I did push the turn and got the spade draw to fold (he flipped his cards before he threw them in the muck)

LOL. "I just want ya to know that I had somethin!!"

[Temporary Nuts 1]

I would actually check-shove the turn on hand 2...to the others who said pot the flop, are we looking at the rest of our stack? That leaves sizes very awkward for the turn... anybody against trying to check-shove the flop?

[trystero 0]

Checking hand 2 is bad IMo w/out consideration of relative position. We're getting called by flush draws sometimes, and we're called by top pair or a worse overpair almost always. We DONT' want the hand to check through, and I can see a pot full of passive players doing that. Even the CO, the "solid player," may be wary of us considering we raised pf and then c/bet into 3 other players. Now I would be on board if the hand were setup like this,Us (first position)Donk #1Aggrodonk #2Calling station donkSo we can check and be reasonably sure that the aggrodonk will bet. ONce he does, we can figure that the CS donk will call, and then we can shove it in having taken max value from what are likely worse hands.TNuts, why do you want to check in this hand? YOu want to do in otf too. We're against bad players, and the types of hands we'll get action from on this flop will go to the felt (top pair, worse overpairs, flush draws, and yea sometimes the set). I can kinda see checking if we have the As, but otherwise checking this flop doesn't make sense to me unless we're facing crafty opponents.

[mtdesmoines 3]

So, i have sat down for roughly 3 orbits starting to get a feel for the players. For me it has been too long since I have been in a casino and it felt good to try to get back to form. Anyway there is a youngish player OTB, seen a few plays and seemed like an ok player. And then the SB who sat down 4 hands ago. The hand before he raised from the BB and got a cooler on the river. PP vs J10 straight hit on the river.Stacks areOTB - $200SB - $200BB - $175So, MP min raise to $6, OTB raises to $15, then SB makes it $55 to go. Is this normally an insta muck or insta fist pump all in? Thought process, was could he really have another PP or is he just steaming from the last hand and what of the other players in the hand.Thanks. BTW I hardly get to post in here because I rarely get to the casino, but this was the one hand that sticks out in my head.

You don't need casino hands to post; online hands are thought-provoking as well. When a 4 bet makes it to me, I kind of stick to a rule of thumb that AK is dominated (by AA or KK) or most outs are eaten (another AK besides ours or an AQ) and it's OK to fold unless we're dealing with a true tribe of monkeys here.

Well actually i'm gonna throw in a bonus hand cause I just thought of it. This was later in the session. LP is an ok player, Cutoff guy is a solid player, BB relatively new to the table, but everyone seemed to know him. I am in MP and get dealt two red Aces. I raise to $12 and am called by LP, CO, BB.StacksLP - $200CO - $400BB - $120Hero - $120Flop comes 5s 8s 10dBB checks, I bet $20 and it gets called by everyone. Turn is a 2hBB checks, Hero?

That flop bet is piteous. Go ahead and shove the turn I guess.

[dapokerbum 0]

You don't need casino hands to post; online hands are thought-provoking as well.

I only get to play when I go to the casinos ... Haven't put any money online since the party poker days. Maybe one day UIGEA will renege it's deal ...

[SwolyswoND 1]

I would actually check-shove the turn on hand 2...to the others who said pot the flop, are we looking at the rest of our stack? That leaves sizes very awkward for the turn... anybody against trying to check-shove the flop?

Why would you check-shove turn when we only have a 3/4 pot bet left? It's not like anyone would fold after you shove, so why give them the chance of checking behind with their draw?Check/shoving flop is actually probably the best play as long as we are confident someone will bet. I tend to never think that live unless I have a solid read - I think it gets checked through too often though. Most live players do not semibluff their draws, especially multiway.

[rrumsey 0]

i shove #1 with all that dead money, we have 50% and like $80 in the pot already, we almost surely squeeze OTB out so we only have to worry about the 4-bettor, who could possibly be steaming, even thou normally i tank fold these reasons make me wanna push, the stacks are the perfect for this imo and we could be up against a steamer with QQ, JJ, 1010 or worse and we like our chances against maybe weaker aces and we do still have fold equity from both, def. OTB and maybe from SB bc he may realize he doesn't wanna get stacked again or we caught him bluffing i like a shove but can understand a fold#2 i shove we are most likely up against a pair and a draw, but if lots of people flatted some of their outs may be mucked when some of them fold out on turn