MaxStPolish 4 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 My thoughts are that i should be the fuck out of this pot on both 4th and 6th streets probably....or least 4th for sure. In the moment i just somehow justified being 3 to a 7 low was worth peeling a card....somehow. What about after making the K on 5th? I feel the call there would make sense, but i could also see this as just egregious leaking chips. Fold on 7th sensible, even getting 9:1, or is that the worst of all in a horribly played hand? Let me have it plz.Full Tilt Poker Game #14335007065: $4,000 Guarantee (105340427), Table 11 - 200/400 Ante 30 - Limit Stud H/L - 23:54:35 ET - 2009/08/28Seat 1: ml516 (601), is sitting outSeat 2: shortybl (3,089)Seat 3: Chipicabra (5,955)Seat 4: minastauriel (3,173)Seat 5: Firsttimer (6,465)Seat 7: KillerLynx (2,329)Seat 8: MaxStPolish (3,479)ml516 antes 30shortybl antes 30Chipicabra antes 30minastauriel antes 30Firsttimer antes 30KillerLynx antes 30MaxStPolish antes 30*** 3RD STREET ***Dealt to ml516 [5s]Dealt to shortybl [Tc]Dealt to Chipicabra [Jc]Dealt to minastauriel [9c]Dealt to Firsttimer [8d]Dealt to KillerLynx [Js]Dealt to MaxStPolish [7c Kc] [5d]MaxStPolish is low with [5d]MaxStPolish brings in for 50ml516 foldsshortybl calls 50Chipicabra foldsminastauriel foldsFirsttimer calls 50KillerLynx folds*** 4TH STREET ***Dealt to shortybl [Tc] [7s]Dealt to Firsttimer [8d] [6s]Dealt to MaxStPolish [7c Kc 5d] [3h]shortybl bets 200Firsttimer calls 200MaxStPolish calls 200*** 5TH STREET ***Dealt to shortybl [Tc 7s] [6c]Dealt to Firsttimer [8d 6s] [2c]Dealt to MaxStPolish [7c Kc 5d 3h] [Ks]MaxStPolish checksshortybl bets 400Firsttimer calls 400MaxStPolish calls 400*** 6TH STREET ***Dealt to shortybl [Tc 7s 6c] [6h]Dealt to Firsttimer [8d 6s 2c] [7d]Dealt to MaxStPolish [7c Kc 5d 3h Ks] [9d]ml516 has returnedshortybl bets 400Firsttimer calls 400MaxStPolish calls 400*** 7TH STREET ***Dealt to MaxStPolish [7c Kc 5d 3h Ks 9d] [Ts]shortybl bets 400Firsttimer foldsMaxStPolish has 15 seconds left to actMaxStPolish has requested TIMEMaxStPolish foldsUncalled bet of 400 returned to shortyblshortybl mucksshortybl wins the pot (3,360)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3,360 | Rake 0Seat 1: ml516 folded on 3rd St.Seat 2: shortybl collected (3,360), muckedSeat 3: Chipicabra folded on 3rd St.Seat 4: minastauriel folded on 3rd St.Seat 5: Firsttimer folded on 7th St.Seat 7: KillerLynx folded on 3rd St.Seat 8: MaxStPolish folded on 7th St. Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 fold 3rd Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 fold 3rdbring in, it was free. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 that's not that bad, but fold 4th. once you call 4th, the other streets are all fine.edit: you could conceivably raise when you make KK showing and try to iso for the high in a tournament setting, but that's risky and i don't think it's an ideal play, generally. Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 bring in, it was free.lol didnt even read the hadn just saw your K, and im going to go out on a limp and agree with checky Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 that's not that bad, but fold 4th. once you call 4th, the other streets are all fine.edit: you could conceivably raise when you make KK showing and try to iso for the high in a tournament setting, but that's risky and i don't think it's an ideal play, generally.Cool. Figured after the latest chats in here, I'd just post a random hand i felt i may have been spewing on and see what could have been done.Trny done, couldn't avoid the 6 outer river. Meh. Perhaps if I learn a tidbit of stud/8 I'll chalk it up as a faux win.....lol. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Cool. Figured after the latest chats in here, I'd just post a random hand i felt i may have been spewing on and see what could have been done.Trny done, couldn't avoid the 6 outer river. Meh. Perhaps if I learn a tidbit of stud/8 I'll chalk it up as a faux win.....lol.can I post a stud hand? Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 can I post a stud hand?I am not a thread-nazi. You can post anything you would like. Except for hate propaganda. That's now allowed in here......unless it's about hating the guy that 4bet me to isolate w/ KT and basically commit himself then binked the river T to KO me and my current roll. Then you can hate. lol. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 can I post a stud hand?No, you may not. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I am not a thread-nazi. You can post anything you would like. Except for hate propaganda. That's now allowed in here......unless it's about hating the guy that 4bet me to isolate w/ KT and basically commit himself then binked the river T to KO me and my current roll. Then you can hate. lol.tksFull Tilt Poker Game #14335310426: Table Suit (heads up) - $3/$6 Ante $0.50 - Limit Stud Hi - 0:12:38 ET - 2009/08/29Seat 1: SAMTHEBULL ($138)Seat 2: lostnutzcase ($151)lostnutzcase antes $0.50SAMTHEBULL antes $0.50*** 3RD STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s] [7s]lostnutzcase is low with [7s]lostnutzcase brings in for $1SAMTHEBULL completes it to $3lostnutzcase calls $2*** 4TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h] [Kc]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s] [6s]SAMTHEBULL bets $3lostnutzcase calls $3*** 5TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h Kc] [Qs]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s] [8s]SAMTHEBULL checkslostnutzcase checks*** 6TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h Kc Qs] [Td]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s] [Th]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase calls $6*** 7TH STREET ***Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s Th] [4s]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase raises to $12SAMTHEBULL raises to $18should I cap here or just call? Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 that's not that bad, but fold 4th. once you call 4th, the other streets are all fine.edit: you could conceivably raise when you make KK showing and try to iso for the high in a tournament setting, but that's risky and i don't think it's an ideal play, generally.agree with checky tksshould I cap here or just call?lol Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 tksFull Tilt Poker Game #14335310426: Table Suit (heads up) - $3/$6 Ante $0.50 - Limit Stud Hi - 0:12:38 ET - 2009/08/29Seat 1: SAMTHEBULL ($138)Seat 2: lostnutzcase ($151)lostnutzcase antes $0.50SAMTHEBULL antes $0.50*** 3RD STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s] [7s]lostnutzcase is low with [7s]lostnutzcase brings in for $1SAMTHEBULL completes it to $3lostnutzcase calls $2*** 4TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h] [Kc]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s] [6s]SAMTHEBULL bets $3lostnutzcase calls $3*** 5TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h Kc] [Qs]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s] [8s]SAMTHEBULL checkslostnutzcase checks*** 6TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h Kc Qs] [Td]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s] [Th]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase calls $6*** 7TH STREET ***Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s Th] [4s]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase raises to $12SAMTHEBULL raises to $18should I cap here or just call?Touch yourself a little. Cap it, jump on your chair and masturbate furiously when he shows you a straight.Or you could fold...Assuming he has two kings, nines, queens, tens in the hole and he hit a full house on the river.I don't think thats a +Ev play though.... Link to post Share on other sites
Ko8e34 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Touch yourself a little. Cap it, jump on your chair and masturbate furiously when he shows you a straight.Or you could fold...Assuming he has two kings, nines, queens, tens in the hole and he hit a full house on the river.I don't think thats a +Ev play though....lol @ your serious reply concerning if the guy actually didnt know whether to cap or flat. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 lol @ your serious reply concerning if the guy actually didnt know whether to cap or flat.you tell him honey Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 lol @ your serious reply concerning if the guy actually didnt know whether to cap or flat.I swear you follow me around. Apologies for missing internet sarcasm at 2 AM.Besides, Sillier questions have been asked. Link to post Share on other sites
mecoble 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 i think you gotta fold 4th street. i dont peel a card there with a 3 low against a 4 low showing even though they have an 8 unless i have something else, pair or flush draw. another stud8 question i pretty much taught myself never read any books, but im pretty sure im right about this. there is pretty much not any circumstances when you should complete the bring in, correct. i see people doing it a lot but i never do. Link to post Share on other sites
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dereeekho 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 tksFull Tilt Poker Game #14335310426: Table Suit (heads up) - $3/$6 Ante $0.50 - Limit Stud Hi - 0:12:38 ET - 2009/08/29Seat 1: SAMTHEBULL ($138)Seat 2: lostnutzcase ($151)lostnutzcase antes $0.50SAMTHEBULL antes $0.50*** 3RD STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s] [7s]lostnutzcase is low with [7s]lostnutzcase brings in for $1SAMTHEBULL completes it to $3lostnutzcase calls $2*** 4TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h] [Kc]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s] [6s]SAMTHEBULL bets $3lostnutzcase calls $3*** 5TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h Kc] [Qs]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s] [8s]SAMTHEBULL checkslostnutzcase checks*** 6TH STREET ***Dealt to SAMTHEBULL [9h Kc Qs] [Td]Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s] [Th]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase calls $6*** 7TH STREET ***Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s Th] [4s]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase raises to $12SAMTHEBULL raises to $18should I cap here or just call?bet 5th cap river. Link to post Share on other sites
Jelly-Filled Ace 1 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Chasing a 753 into a 86 flat caller on 4th is ugly. You have to assume he has a 4-part 8 low working. A rolled hand showing an 8 would flex by 4th especially since he's showing a low draw (86). That's a great deceptive hand, selling you the low when he's high. The flat call on 4th indicates he's coasting a weak 8 low draw. You wanna draw twice to his one for half a pot? This was an easy to chuck on 4th. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 For those who wanted to know,he had quads obv. His check on 5th street was to induce a bet. ( it seemed weird to me because he was playing really aggressive )oh well, I guess it was a very unlikely scenario.*** 7TH STREET ***Dealt to lostnutzcase [6d 3s 7s 6s 8s Th] [4s]SAMTHEBULL bets $6lostnutzcase raises to $12SAMTHEBULL raises to $18lostnutzcase raises to $24SAMTHEBULL calls $6*** SHOW DOWN ***lostnutzcase shows [6d 4s 7s 6s 8s Th 3s] a flush, Eight highSAMTHEBULL shows [Qh Qd 9h Kc Qs Td Qc] four of a kind, QueensSAMTHEBULL wins the pot ($72.50) with four of a kind, Queens*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $73 | Rake $0.50Seat 1: SAMTHEBULL showed [Qh Qd 9h Kc Qs Td Qc] and won ($72.50) with four of a kind, QueensSeat 2: lostnutzcase showed [6d 4s 7s 6s 8s Th 3s] and lost with a flush, Eight high Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 With no raise on third street, the pot is too small to justify continuing in a 3-way pot. As for raising on 5th when you hit the King, that's a no-no. The 8-6-2 is in a position of power, either free rolling for the high or sitting with a pair and a low draw. The key reason you don't want to raise on 5:1) It will expose your hand as a high hand2) It could get the 10-7 out- and you DON"T want that. In stud 8, when there is a low already out there, your hand does better when you keep the second best high hand IN the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Alright Daniel! More Stud 8 strat talk from DN, please.I completely agree with fold 4th, peel on 5th is fine but then dump it on 6th. You're officially playing for half at that point and you'll pretty much always get value towned on 7th unless you hit Kings up, and then again sometimes even when you do. Link to post Share on other sites
Cappy37 0 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 With no raise on third street, the pot is too small to justify continuing in a 3-way pot. As for raising on 5th when you hit the King, that's a no-no. The 8-6-2 is in a position of power, either free rolling for the high or sitting with a pair and a low draw. The key reason you don't want to raise on 5:1) It will expose your hand as a high hand2) It could get the 10-7 out- and you DON"T want that. In stud 8, when there is a low already out there, your hand does better when you keep the second best high hand IN the pot.This is spot on.BTW Daniel, thanks for the "keeping folks in" snippet about how KQ plays better multiway in LHE vs. isolating against a single hand. After a couple weeks of sticking mostly to that mindset, it's dramatically improved my results in those spots. Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 i think DN needs to play the negreaneu open or however the heck it's spelled Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 i think DN needs to play the negreaneu open or however the heck it's spelledNeg-O for those in the know.Or those who can't spell Negreanu Link to post Share on other sites
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