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Do you think it helps you to put in less volume? Usually winners of triple crowns put in a lot of volume and you have one i believe. We're you putting in more volume back then?I've always been a multitabler who puts in more volume because i believe it thins out variance but i'm interested to see the better player's take on it. You do lose a lot of hand reading ability when playing a lot of tables.
Its just math. Your ROI is going to decrease the more tables you play but since you are jacking up your total buyins you will be making more per hour. I'm going to try playing no more then 8 at a time from now on though.
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I think the fact that you're being honest about the emotional ups and downs of playing and posting them is a great thing that a lot of people will learn from. Many only see the highs of the big scores but not the emotional roller coaster that poker can be at times.I know in my own case I go through periods of loving and hating poker. At the moment I'm in a phase where I really don't feel like sitting down and playing much online poker so there's a pretty good chance that I'm going to play some live poker in September. The Port Perry Charity Casino is about an hour drive for me and I find that even when things aren't going well live I can handle it much better from an emotional standpoint than when things aren't going well online. For me actually seeing the person who just hit their 3 outer on the river to beat you out of a pot is much easier to take.
totally agree
I tend to agree with this. When it happens online you instantly get this mental picture of some kid who is completely clueless and didn't realize just how incredibly behind he was. And then they hit and you imagine them laughing at you, saying how much you suck at poker, asking if you have a watch cuz that's what time it is and saying they owned you. Ugggghhh, I'm getting tilted.At lest live you can see them hang their head in shame and sheepishly say "sorry".
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yeh this thread will hopefully allow alot of the smaller stakes players a little glimpse into the life of a higher stakes tournament player and how soul crushing life can be because of poker. The only real thing people see on this site are Rail calls and stuff where someone might cash for like 6-15k and people are just like WOW SICK I WISH I COULD HAVE WON THAT MUCH. The reality is that 15k is about a week of buyins for me and most other higher stakes players (if im putting in a fair amt of volume) and if I had a shitty week.. that cash simply breaks me even. You are most likely going to see TJ going on 10-15k swings but might not even be that terrible cuz he's putting in alot of volume atm including lower buyin tournaments.This doesnt really apply to me though because I never go more than like 8-9k in makeup and pretty much crush poker since Im the best ever.TJ and No not baxter can attest to this.
I believe this Actually the most interesting of the posts is seeing what you go through emotionally with the ups and downs, and what you spend and make. Players like TJ, Vt, NNB, Fluff who I am sure spend ton's in a week and play many games, it's got to be mind blogging and tiring to sit at the computer and look at a monitor. Sometimes just getting your head in such a state not just from bad beats but from the constant looking at the monitor. You need that special mind set or drive to win to keep at it. That's why I enjoy the live games so much more because you do get the interactions, but then you read the emotions of others too, which I find more so interesting. Here on the boards you do pick up some emotions but most in the humor or in sarcastic remarks and that's probably due to playing such high volume of games as well as well quality of other crappy posting such as mine lol. In honestly playing poker for a living like TJ it got not to be so easy, and more tiring and less glamorous than people really see it as. Sure there are the ones that are good at it, and there are ones who play for the fun or and wish there where good at it. I do admire the ones who can sit there day in and day out and grind away for hours at a time and do it because I know I can't. You deserve a lot of good wins if you have that amount of patience. :club: for me I will stick to playing for fun for my 6 hours at a time lol, and my goal and dream at least finishing in the top 50 of wcoop stud tournament, I have been reading up on my game so I hope to do better than I did in Ftops and I hope I do because l'am more familiar with pokerstars program so hopefully I will play better.
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Its just math. Your ROI is going to decrease the more tables you play but since you are jacking up your total buyins you will be making more per hour. I'm going to try playing no more then 8 at a time from now on though.
I got that but what I was wondering is if you guys fell that playing more tables takes away from your ability to get reads and ultimately your overall game. I'm a multitabler at low limit tourneys ($4 180's, etc.) and i fire up about 12 or so at first and never start any more when i get deeper in the first 1 or 2 because I like to concentrate more on getting reads, etc. I've seen some of you guys playing like 12-15 tables at once while also being at a FT, I could never do that lol.
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Actually the most interesting of the posts is seeing what you go through emotionally with the ups and downs, and what you spend and make. Players like TJ, Vt, NNB, Fluff who I am sure spend ton's in a week and play many games, it's got to be mind blogging and tiring to sit at the computer and look at a monitor. Sometimes just getting your head in such a state not just from bad beats but from the constant looking at the monitor. You need that special mind set or drive to win to keep at it. That's why I enjoy the live games so much more because you do get the interactions, but then you read the emotions of others too, which I find more so interesting. Here on the boards you do pick up some emotions but most in the humor or in sarcastic remarks and that's probably due to playing such high volume of games as well as well quality of other crappy posting such as mine lol. In honestly playing poker for a living like TJ it got not to be so easy, and more tiring and less glamorous than people really see it as. Sure there are the ones that are good at it, and there are ones who play for the fun or and wish there where good at it. I do admire the ones who can sit there day in and day out and grind away for hours at a time and do it because I know I can't. You deserve a lot of good wins if you have that amount of patience. :club: for me I will stick to playing for fun for my 6 hours at a time lol, and my goal and dream at least finishing in the top 50 of wcoop stud tournament, I have been reading up on my game so I hope to do better than I did in Ftops and I hope I do because l'am more familiar with pokerstars program so hopefully I will play better.
DAM YOU VB!!!!!!
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DAM YOU VB!!!!!!
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No. I edited one hand history from AJ to AK only because I ran like a dead fish that day and was tilted to hell and didn't feel like dealing with the guff and wanted to vent.
You mean it is true ?? LOOOOL awsome can someone link me to the thread this happend in has to be a good read .
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You mean it is true ?? LOOOOL awsome can someone link me to the thread this happend in has to be a good read .
not sure where exactly it is , but sunday thread from 2 weeks ago i believe.
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Actually going to respond to jspence seriously (lol this is gonna be fun):You were only CAUGHT fixing one HH, but seriously, all of your tales of str8 flooshes<Royals, your quads<quads and all the other horrendous beats that you "took" kinda makes people question after you are caught just changing a pretty standard hand. And I'm not looking to derail TJ's thread here, but no one can really ever take your beats seriously b/c of the change. I have only been quads<quads once since I have been playing poker. You have taken these close to mathematical impossible beats over and over in a short sample size of hands. Things just don't add up. Keep you head up and start reading more about the strategy to mtts, sngs, and the specific games that you are looking to play. Try to improve your game. Look at your hh's and ask questions of what little bet size you could change. Don't let the tilt of a 3 outter on the river get to you (even though I have been letting it here lately). Hopefully you can start trying to improve and not just be looking for a bad beat forumOh, and my goals for this is followed: I have $114.20 in my BR (****ing no job for a while, so I needed bill money)- in the 100 days, I would like to turn the $114.20 into 1,114.20. - I'm going to be playing HU sngs, 6max turbo sngs, 18-180 man sngs, and then micro mtts (hopefully can get it done just like that)- Once my roll is to about ~250, I will throw 6max cash game grind in there as wellGL to everyone making their goals and may we all run like god!
GL DUDE! I think moving to 6m cash around 250 is a great idea and it will be the most profitable way for you to make $ AND improve your poker playing. Actually, I'm not positive about this but I would think the 9 handed micro cash games are wayyyy softer than 6 max, plus you can play more tables at a time. Not 100% tho. Anyways, I think you should push yourself a little harder. I think you can turn it into atleast 2k in 100 days!
yeh this thread will hopefully allow alot of the smaller stakes players a little glimpse into the life of a higher stakes tournament player and how soul crushing life can be because of poker. The only real thing people see on this site are Rail calls and stuff where someone might cash for like 6-15k and people are just like WOW SICK I WISH I COULD HAVE WON THAT MUCH. The reality is that 15k is about a week of buyins for me and most other higher stakes players (if im putting in a fair amt of volume) and if I had a shitty week.. that cash simply breaks me even. You are most likely going to see TJ going on 10-15k swings but might not even be that terrible cuz he's putting in alot of volume atm including lower buyin tournaments.This doesnt really apply to me though because I never go more than like 8-9k in makeup and pretty much crush poker since Im the best ever.TJ and No not baxter can attest to this.
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Okay, I guess I will put down the current goal I have.Win 3 x Step 6 WCOOP ME Satty's. First one starting no higher than Step 2 and the others no higher than Step 3 without investing more than $500 towards first win. Deadline 9/20 obv.GL ME!
Well after busting stevie444 to win a step 5, I am reg'd for the next step 6 if it fills. NEED A WIN ONE (more) TIME so I can start at step 3sPS: If you're bored, it filled and is running now
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Well after busting stevie444 to win a step 5, I am reg'd for the next step 6 if it fills. NEED A WIN ONE (more) TIME so I can start at step 3s
GL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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KTo is not a call here in case you were wondering. lolPokerStars Game #32103114170: Tournament #190364228, $2000+$100 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/08/27 0:06:37 ETTable '190364228 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: No Spang (4560 in chips) Seat 2: chek - raise (2140 in chips) Seat 3: Waters81 (3465 in chips) Seat 4: Telefonkiosk (3410 in chips) Seat 5: Dr. Fells (2355 in chips) Seat 6: CPT CRUX (2715 in chips) Seat 7: Dsavo (3105 in chips) Seat 8: MrCrayfish (2185 in chips) Seat 9: stevie444 (3065 in chips) Dsavo: posts small blind 50MrCrayfish: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to chek - raise [Qc Qs]stevie444: folds No Spang: raises 200 to 300chek - raise: raises 1840 to 2140 and is all-inWaters81: folds Telefonkiosk: folds Dr. Fells: folds CPT CRUX: folds Dsavo: folds MrCrayfish: folds No Spang: calls 1840*** FLOP *** [6c Jd Jc]*** TURN *** [6c Jd Jc] [3d]*** RIVER *** [6c Jd Jc 3d] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***No Spang: shows [Th Kd] (a pair of Jacks)chek - raise: shows [Qc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)chek - raise collected 4430 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4430 | Rake 0 Board [6c Jd Jc 3d 4s]Seat 1: No Spang showed [Th Kd] and lost with a pair of JacksSeat 2: chek - raise showed [Qc Qs] and won (4430) with two pair, Queens and JacksSeat 3: Waters81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Telefonkiosk folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Dr. Fells folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: CPT CRUX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Dsavo (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: MrCrayfish (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: stevie444 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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TJ, if you dont mind me asking I'd like to know what you folded in this spot in the 109+R a few hands after the bubblePokerStars Game #32103410681: Tournament #188959913, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2009/08/27 0:19:19 ETTable '188959913 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: theNorfman (97254 in chips) Seat 2: alexandrapau (70945 in chips) Seat 3: WhatArunAA (13700 in chips) Seat 4: pitoco23 (19629 in chips) Seat 5: PKaiser (71356 in chips) Seat 6: berkey11 (129640 in chips) Seat 8: theczar19 (49164 in chips) Seat 9: Cre8ive (2354 in chips) theNorfman: posts the ante 250alexandrapau: posts the ante 250WhatArunAA: posts the ante 250pitoco23: posts the ante 250PKaiser: posts the ante 250berkey11: posts the ante 250theczar19: posts the ante 250Cre8ive: posts the ante 250PKaiser: posts small blind 1250berkey11: posts big blind 2500*** HOLE CARDS ***theczar19: folds Cre8ive: folds theNorfman: folds alexandrapau: calls 2500alexandrapau said, "umph!"WhatArunAA said, "wow"WhatArunAA said, "weirdest spot of my life"WhatArunAA: folds pitoco23: folds PKaiser: calls 1250berkey11: checks *** FLOP *** [7h 7c 7d]PKaiser: checks berkey11: checks alexandrapau: bets 5000PKaiser: folds berkey11: folds Uncalled bet (5000) returned to alexandrapaualexandrapau collected 9500 from potalexandrapau: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 9500 | Rake 0 Board [7h 7c 7d]Seat 1: theNorfman folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: alexandrapau collected (9500)Seat 3: WhatArunAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: pitoco23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: PKaiser (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: berkey11 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 8: theczar19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Cre8ive folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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TJ, if you dont mind me asking I'd like to know what you folded in this spot in the 109+R a few hands after the bubblePokerStars Game #32103410681: Tournament #188959913, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2009/08/27 0:19:19 ETTable '188959913 11' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: theNorfman (97254 in chips) Seat 2: alexandrapau (70945 in chips) Seat 3: WhatArunAA (13700 in chips) Seat 4: pitoco23 (19629 in chips) Seat 5: PKaiser (71356 in chips) Seat 6: berkey11 (129640 in chips) Seat 8: theczar19 (49164 in chips) Seat 9: Cre8ive (2354 in chips) theNorfman: posts the ante 250alexandrapau: posts the ante 250WhatArunAA: posts the ante 250pitoco23: posts the ante 250PKaiser: posts the ante 250berkey11: posts the ante 250theczar19: posts the ante 250Cre8ive: posts the ante 250PKaiser: posts small blind 1250berkey11: posts big blind 2500*** HOLE CARDS ***theczar19: folds Cre8ive: folds theNorfman: folds alexandrapau: calls 2500alexandrapau said, "umph!"WhatArunAA said, "wow"WhatArunAA said, "weirdest spot of my life"WhatArunAA: folds pitoco23: folds PKaiser: calls 1250berkey11: checks *** FLOP *** [7h 7c 7d]PKaiser: checks berkey11: checks alexandrapau: bets 5000PKaiser: folds berkey11: folds Uncalled bet (5000) returned to alexandrapaualexandrapau collected 9500 from potalexandrapau: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 9500 | Rake 0 Board [7h 7c 7d]Seat 1: theNorfman folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: alexandrapau collected (9500)Seat 3: WhatArunAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: pitoco23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: PKaiser (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 6: berkey11 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 8: theczar19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Cre8ive folded before Flop (didn't bet)
just KJ ..but if it was some rando donk i woulda shoved cuz he shows up with QJ J10 Ax 910s type hands alot .. I loooked him up and he had his opr blocked then pokerdbd him and he has 360k in winnings 310k in buyins so i fugred he must be somewhat competent.. def overexaggerated in the chat box.
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You were only CAUGHT fixing one HH, but seriously, all of your tales of str8 flooshes<Royals, your quads<quads and all the other horrendous beats that you "took" kinda makes people question after you are caught just changing a pretty standard hand. And I'm not looking to derail TJ's thread here, but no one can really ever take your beats seriously b/c of the change. I have only been quads<quads once since I have been playing poker. You have taken these close to mathematical impossible beats over and over in a short sample size of hands. Things just don't add up.
This is the thread where we post our bad beats right? :DFull Tilt Poker Game #14031531556: Table Rogue (6 max, deep) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:43:16 ET - 2009/08/14Seat 1: CRICKY10 ($444.35)Seat 2: NxtWrldChamp ($810.10)Seat 3: Snamuh ($452.50)Seat 4: digeri ($988.80)Seat 5: 1_savvy ($699.80)Seat 6: madhusudana ($412.50)1_savvy posts the small blind of $2madhusudana posts the big blind of $4The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Snamuh [3d 3s]CRICKY10 calls $4NxtWrldChamp foldsSnamuh raises to $18digeri folds1_savvy foldsmadhusudana foldsCRICKY10 calls $14*** FLOP *** [7c 3c Ac]CRICKY10 checksSnamuh bets $32CRICKY10 calls $32*** TURN *** [7c 3c Ac] [3h]CRICKY10 checksSnamuh has 15 seconds left to actSnamuh bets $88CRICKY10 raises to $176Snamuh has 15 seconds left to actSnamuh has requested TIMESnamuh raises to $402.50, and is all inCRICKY10 calls $218.35, and is all inSnamuh shows [3d 3s]CRICKY10 shows [7s 7h]Uncalled bet of $8.15 returned to Snamuh*** RIVER *** [7c 3c Ac 3h] [7d]Snamuh shows four of a kind, ThreesCRICKY10 shows four of a kind, SevensCRICKY10 wins the pot ($891.70) with four of a kind, SevensSnamuh adds $391.85*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $894.70 | Rake $3Board: [7c 3c Ac 3h 7d]Seat 1: CRICKY10 showed [7s 7h] and won ($891.70) with four of a kind, SevensSeat 2: NxtWrldChamp didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: Snamuh showed [3d 3s] and lost with four of a kind, ThreesSeat 4: digeri (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: 1_savvy (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 6: madhusudana (big blind) folded before the Flop
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KTo is not a call here in case you were wondering. lolPokerStars Game #32103114170: Tournament #190364228, $2000+$100 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/08/27 0:06:37 ETTable '190364228 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: No Spang (4560 in chips) Seat 2: chek - raise (2140 in chips) Seat 3: Waters81 (3465 in chips) Seat 4: Telefonkiosk (3410 in chips) Seat 5: Dr. Fells (2355 in chips) Seat 6: CPT CRUX (2715 in chips) Seat 7: Dsavo (3105 in chips) Seat 8: MrCrayfish (2185 in chips) Seat 9: stevie444 (3065 in chips) Dsavo: posts small blind 50MrCrayfish: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to chek - raise [Qc Qs]stevie444: folds No Spang: raises 200 to 300chek - raise: raises 1840 to 2140 and is all-inWaters81: folds Telefonkiosk: folds Dr. Fells: folds CPT CRUX: folds Dsavo: folds MrCrayfish: folds No Spang: calls 1840*** FLOP *** [6c Jd Jc]*** TURN *** [6c Jd Jc] [3d]*** RIVER *** [6c Jd Jc 3d] [4s]*** SHOW DOWN ***No Spang: shows [Th Kd] (a pair of Jacks)chek - raise: shows [Qc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)chek - raise collected 4430 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4430 | Rake 0 Board [6c Jd Jc 3d 4s]Seat 1: No Spang showed [Th Kd] and lost with a pair of JacksSeat 2: chek - raise showed [Qc Qs] and won (4430) with two pair, Queens and JacksSeat 3: Waters81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Telefonkiosk folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Dr. Fells folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: CPT CRUX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Dsavo (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: MrCrayfish (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: stevie444 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
was watching and said to myself ,, self is that standard ?? lol then i thought naw cant be.also ul vs the 96 gg maine
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was watching and said to myself ,, self is that standard ?? lol then i thought naw cant be.also ul vs the 96 gg maine
TYTYAlso had KK then AA in back to back hands close to the bubble when everyone was going nutso. Of course I got zero action. I should have been a lock for a top stack. Then yeah, AK<96. Amazing how quickly they turn into turbos :)Well, in for 400. Bricked my first step 6 and cashed for 1200 here. So all in all doing well. Time to go back to the grind tomorrow.
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Eh, my hand of the day. Don't really know if this constitutes as a "bad beat". Suppose a 3 would have been worse.Full Tilt Poker Game #14295916898: $3 + 0.30 Tournament (105051319), Table 33 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:53:06 ET - 2009/08/27Seat 1: IHU (45,869)Seat 2: Xinnro (41,682)Seat 3: pokerounder (30,898)Seat 4: bohemio76 (45,785)Seat 5: KTsPokerStud (43,939)Seat 6: rookiecookie1 (30,830)IHU antes 250Xinnro antes 250pokerounder antes 250bohemio76 antes 250KTsPokerStud antes 250rookiecookie1 antes 250Xinnro posts the small blind of 1,000pokerounder posts the big blind of 2,000The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Xinnro [As Qh]bohemio76 calls 2,000KTsPokerStud foldsrookiecookie1 calls 2,000IHU foldsXinnro raises to 6,500pokerounder foldsbohemio76 calls 4,500rookiecookie1 calls 4,500*** FLOP *** [Ac 6s Ah]Xinnro checksbohemio76 checksrookiecookie1 bets 2,000Xinnro raises to 8,000bohemio76 calls 8,000rookiecookie1 calls 6,000*** TURN *** [Ac 6s Ah] [9s]Xinnro bets 26,932, and is all inbohemio76 calls 26,932rookiecookie1 foldsXinnro shows [As Qh]bohemio76 shows [Ad 3h]*** RIVER *** [Ac 6s Ah 9s] [6c]Xinnro shows a full house, Aces full of Sixesbohemio76 shows a full house, Aces full of SixesXinnro ties for the pot (50,432) with a full house, Aces full of Sixesbohemio76 ties for the pot (50,432) with a full house, Aces full of Sixes*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 100,864 | Rake 0Board: [Ac 6s Ah 9s 6c]Seat 1: IHU (button) folded before the FlopSeat 2: Xinnro (small blind) showed [As Qh] and won (50,432) with a full house, Aces full of SixesSeat 3: pokerounder (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 4: bohemio76 showed [Ad 3h] and won (50,432) with a full house, Aces full of SixesSeat 5: KTsPokerStud folded before the FlopSeat 6: rookiecookie1 folded on the TurnWell just managed to finish 8th out of 397...kind of feel robbed. One hand really screwed me over for the rest of the tournament. Not only would have made me chip leader, but would have also busted the same player who would later bust my with Q 8 off.Not an awful day I guess. Not as good as yesterday. Up 50 on tilt, and 40 on stars for +$90 for a total of +390 (including original $100).

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so... 3 pages in... and already this thing is cluttered beyond belief. lame.gl TJ.

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Actually going to respond to jspence seriously (lol this is gonna be fun):You were only CAUGHT fixing one HH, but seriously, all of your tales of str8 flooshes<Royals, your quads<quads and all the other horrendous beats that you "took" kinda makes people question after you are caught just changing a pretty standard hand. And I'm not looking to derail TJ's thread here, but no one can really ever take your beats seriously b/c of the change. I have only been quads<quads once since I have been playing poker. You have taken these close to mathematical impossible beats over and over in a short sample size of hands. Things just don't add up. Keep you head up and start reading more about the strategy to mtts, sngs, and the specific games that you are looking to play. Try to improve your game. Look at your hh's and ask questions of what little bet size you could change. Don't let the tilt of a 3 outter on the river get to you (even though I have been letting it here lately). Hopefully you can start trying to improve and not just be looking for a bad beat forumOh, and my goals for this is followed: I have $114.20 in my BR (****ing no job for a while, so I needed bill money)- in the 100 days, I would like to turn the $114.20 into 1,114.20. - I'm going to be playing HU sngs, 6max turbo sngs, 18-180 man sngs, and then micro mtts (hopefully can get it done just like that)- Once my roll is to about ~250, I will throw 6max cash game grind in there as wellGL to everyone making their goals and may we all run like god!
tbh I'd reccomend like 400-500 to play 25nl 6 max, and just skip any 10nl. 10nl really sucks, the rake makes it really hard to beat and is just impossible for some reason. 45 man sngs are amazing too. Hit me up if you ever need a hand/sweat or w/e :)Also this is the new cthread right?
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