Me And Rdog Had Round 2

[Acid_Knight 2]

Calling 4BB raises vs bad spewy players when you're OOP and 100BBs deep is barely profitable. Calling vs good thinking players is lighting money on fire for most of the reasons Cappy gave.Also, you don't need a balanced calling range OOP, especially when your opponent is opening 4x. Just fold most of your hands, call occasionally and 3bet way more frequently than you're calling.

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

ok so maybe your right its lighting money on fire so again i put out th chalange to any1 who want's to play the boy who burns cash hu 2-4nl 3-6nl or even 1-2nl and than ill really monkey spew so whos up for hu for ROLLZ???

[TheWynn 0]

ok so maybe your right its lighting money on fire so again i put out th chalange to any1 who want's to play the boy who burns cash hu 2-4nl 3-6nl or even 1-2nl and than ill really monkey spew so whos up for hu for ROLLZ???

Reading your posts makes my head feel like I jammed a railroad stake through my ears.

[mase_gotsem 0]

how does your bottom 2 hold in those huge pots ?? i cant even have bottom sets hold i hate you !

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

how does your bottom 2 hold in those huge pots ?? i cant even have bottom sets hold i hate you !

okerStars Game #31939391045: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/08/22 19:06:47 ETTable 'Mentor IV' 2-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: JONYJUICE ($451 in chips) Seat 2: Xenor30 ($442.50 in chips) JONYJUICE: posts small blind $2Xenor30: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [2s 2d]JONYJUICE: raises $4 to $8Xenor30: raises $16 to $24JONYJUICE: calls $16*** FLOP *** [3d 4c 2h]Xenor30: bets $33JONYJUICE: calls $33*** TURN *** [3d 4c 2h] [Kc]Xenor30: checks JONYJUICE: bets $64Xenor30: calls $64*** RIVER *** [3d 4c 2h Kc] [7d]Xenor30: checks JONYJUICE: bets $128Xenor30: calls $128*** SHOW DOWN ***JONYJUICE: shows [2s 2d] (three of a kind, Deuces)Xenor30: mucks hand JONYJUICE collected $497.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $498 | Rake $0.50 Board [3d 4c 2h Kc 7d]Seat 1: JONYJUICE (button) (small blind) showed [2s 2d] and won ($497.50) with three of a kind, DeucesSeat 2: Xenor30 (big blind) mucked [Kh Ah]

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

Stars Game #31939425054: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/08/22 19:07:46 ETTable 'Mentor IV' 2-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: JONYJUICE ($701.50 in chips) Seat 2: Xenor30 ($400 in chips) JONYJUICE: posts small blind $2Xenor30: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [Kd Ts]JONYJUICE: raises $4 to $8Xenor30: raises $16 to $24JONYJUICE: calls $16*** FLOP *** [Kh 4h 7c]Xenor30: bets $37JONYJUICE: calls $37*** TURN *** [Kh 4h 7c] [9d]Xenor30: bets $77JONYJUICE: calls $77*** RIVER *** [Kh 4h 7c 9d] [2s]Xenor30: checks JONYJUICE: bets $48Xenor30: folds Uncalled bet ($48) returned to JONYJUICEJONYJUICE collected $275.50 from potJONYJUICE: shows [Kd Ts] (a pair of Kings)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $276 | Rake $0.50 Board [Kh 4h 7c 9d 2s]Seat 1: JONYJUICE (button) (small blind) collected ($275.50)Seat 2: Xenor30 (big blind) folded on the River

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

kerStars Game #31939466164: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/08/22 19:08:56 ETTable 'Mentor IV' 2-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: JONYJUICE ($831 in chips) Seat 2: Xenor30 ($407.50 in chips) Xenor30: posts small blind $2JONYJUICE: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [Ad 9d]Xenor30: raises $8 to $12JONYJUICE: calls $8*** FLOP *** [6d Kh 9c]JONYJUICE: checks Xenor30: bets $18JONYJUICE: calls $18*** TURN *** [6d Kh 9c] [8h]JONYJUICE: checks Xenor30: bets $48JONYJUICE: calls $48*** RIVER *** [6d Kh 9c 8h] [Qd]JONYJUICE: checks Xenor30: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***JONYJUICE: shows [Ad 9d] (a pair of Nines)Xenor30: mucks hand JONYJUICE collected $155.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $156 | Rake $0.50 Board [6d Kh 9c 8h Qd]Seat 1: JONYJUICE (big blind) showed [Ad 9d] and won ($155.50) with a pair of NinesSeat 2: Xenor30 (button) (small blind) mucked [Js 8s]

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

PokerStars Game #31939656842: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/08/22 19:14:28 ETTable 'Mentor IV' 2-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: JONYJUICE ($613.50 in chips) Seat 2: Xenor30 ($700 in chips) Xenor30: posts small blind $2JONYJUICE: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [6c Qc]Xenor30: raises $8 to $12JONYJUICE: calls $8*** FLOP *** [Ac 2c Qd]JONYJUICE: checks Xenor30: bets $18JONYJUICE: raises $26 to $44Xenor30: calls $26*** TURN *** [Ac 2c Qd] [Qs]JONYJUICE: bets $44Xenor30: calls $44*** RIVER *** [Ac 2c Qd Qs] [5h]JONYJUICE: checks Xenor30: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***JONYJUICE: shows [6c Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)Xenor30: mucks hand JONYJUICE collected $199.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $200 | Rake $0.50 Board [Ac 2c Qd Qs 5h]Seat 1: JONYJUICE (big blind) showed [6c Qc] and won ($199.50) with three of a kind, QueensSeat 2: Xenor30 (button) (small blind) mucked [Kd Kh]

[Tehtoe 3]

Protip: You can include multiple HHs in one concise post!

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

PokerStars Game #31939711952: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/08/22 19:16:05 ETTable 'Mentor IV' 2-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: JONYJUICE ($744.50 in chips) Seat 2: Xenor30 ($568 in chips) JONYJUICE: posts small blind $2Xenor30: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [Td Ks]JONYJUICE: raises $4 to $8Xenor30: raises $16 to $24JONYJUICE: calls $16*** FLOP *** [8s 6s Kh]Xenor30: bets $37JONYJUICE: raises $37 to $74Xenor30: calls $37*** TURN *** [8s 6s Kh] [Qs]Xenor30: bets $155JONYJUICE: raises $491.50 to $646.50 and is all-inXenor30: folds Uncalled bet ($491.50) returned to JONYJUICEJONYJUICE collected $505.50 from potJONYJUICE: shows [Td Ks] (a pair of Kings)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $506 | Rake $0.50 Board [8s 6s Kh Qs]Seat 1: JONYJUICE (button) (small blind) collected ($505.50)Seat 2: Xenor30 (big blind) folded on the Turn

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okerStars Game #31939822935: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/08/22 19:19:23 ETTable 'Mentor IV' 2-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: JONYJUICE ($951 in chips) Seat 2: Xenor30 ($445 in chips) JONYJUICE: posts small blind $2Xenor30: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [5h 5d]JONYJUICE: raises $4 to $8Xenor30: raises $16 to $24JONYJUICE: calls $16*** FLOP *** [6d 7s 2h]Xenor30: bets $37JONYJUICE: calls $37*** TURN *** [6d 7s 2h] [3d]Xenor30: bets $99JONYJUICE: calls $99*** RIVER *** [6d 7s 2h 3d] [Qc]Xenor30: checks JONYJUICE: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***Xenor30: shows [Ks 3s] (a pair of Threes)JONYJUICE: shows [5h 5d] (a pair of Fives)JONYJUICE collected $319.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $320 | Rake $0.50 Board [6d 7s 2h 3d Qc]Seat 1: JONYJUICE (button) (small blind) showed [5h 5d] and won ($319.50) with a pair of FivesSeat 2: Xenor30 (big blind) showed [Ks 3s] and lost with a pair of Threes

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

kerStars Game #31940031847: Tournament #187197388, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2009/08/22 19:25:03 ETTable '187197388 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: DCJ311 (7689 in chips) Seat 2: bassar44 (3330 in chips) Seat 3: TempleBar (7440 in chips) Seat 4: JONYJUICE (18685 in chips) Seat 5: soepvlieg (6355 in chips) Seat 6: DoItImBlufn (9425 in chips) Seat 7: gillete (17740 in chips) Seat 8: p3rc4 (9135 in chips) Seat 9: throwinphins (4714 in chips) DCJ311: posts the ante 15bassar44: posts the ante 15TempleBar: posts the ante 15JONYJUICE: posts the ante 15soepvlieg: posts the ante 15DoItImBlufn: posts the ante 15gillete: posts the ante 15p3rc4: posts the ante 15throwinphins: posts the ante 15bassar44: posts small blind 60TempleBar: posts big blind 120*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to JONYJUICE [6s 6d]JONYJUICE: calls 120soepvlieg: folds DoItImBlufn: folds gillete: folds p3rc4: raises 240 to 360throwinphins: folds DCJ311: folds bassar44: folds TempleBar: calls 240JONYJUICE: calls 240*** FLOP *** [4s 7h Ts]TempleBar: checks JONYJUICE: checks p3rc4: checks *** TURN *** [4s 7h Ts] [Qs]TempleBar: checks JONYJUICE: checks p3rc4: bets 720TempleBar: raises 840 to 1560JONYJUICE: raises 1320 to 2880p3rc4: folds TempleBar: folds Uncalled bet (1320) returned to JONYJUICEJONYJUICE collected 5115 from potJONYJUICE: shows [6s 6d] (a pair of Sixes)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 5115 | Rake 0 Board [4s 7h Ts Qs]Seat 1: DCJ311 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: bassar44 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: TempleBar (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 4: JONYJUICE collected (5115)Seat 5: soepvlieg folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: DoItImBlufn folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: gillete folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: p3rc4 folded on the TurnSeat 9: throwinphins folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Cappy37 0]

Protip: You can include multiple HHs in one concise post!

Protip No. 2: You can even convert them using sites like deuces cracked and flopturnriver!If anything, this thread is inspiring me to start playing nlhe cash.p.s. Tejote, your avatar is teh hawt.

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

Protip No. 2: You can even convert them using sites like deuces cracked and flopturnriver!If anything, this thread is inspiring me to start playing nlhe cash.p.s. Tejote, your avatar is teh hawt.

sorry i never knew how to convert how do u put hhs in 1 bundle??

[Cappy37 0]

depend son the game flow how deep we are who im playing alwyaz for value but i guess some people bluff shove huge i genreally have huge draw or made hand..but mostly some times when i flop set same thing ull be surprised how many times guys stack off with less!

See this is where we're not connecting. I'll agree with you 100% turning that hand into a bluff shove on that flop is profitable against a nice chunk of the players you face online. The % of times you will be called is much higher because the range of hands the avg. player will call you with (potentially even including hands like A8/AK/AQ/etc.. lol) is in turn much, much greater. The only thing i'm concerned about in the posts I made above is your hand, that flop, your range, his range, your shoving range, and his calling range.. *against that specific player*. Folding out a huge chunk of hands you could potentially build a significant pot against kills your EV in comparison to the rare times you actually "trap" him by shoving as a 70/30 favorite when you're ahead (because his calling range is so narrow).In essence it'd be like me playing someone like Durr or Antonius online, flopping a set of aces on an A97 flop and shoving...And justifying it by saying "Oh you'd be surprised how often I get called online by a player other than the villain in the hand with MUCH worse!" I'd be correct in saying shoving aces can be fun and profitable vs. the random mouth-breather, but that certainly wouldn't make *that* play in *that* hand against Durr a "good move" that is destined to win the most profit on average. And before the fashion police get crazy, I'm not comparing Rdog to Durr. I'm using Durr as an (albeit) extreme example to prove a basic point.

Seems to me that RDog's mad a lesser player won a bit of cash off of him and has got his pussy hurt instead of just shutting his mouth, letting DM play and taking his money in the long run.

Thats kinda strange, I've re-read the thread multiple times and fail to see where he says this :PI'd imagine it'd be a bit more along the lines of "Poop. he won a couple pots and scampered. That's not spiffy. Time to move on to the next opponent." At least thats how I usually approach it.

[Cappy37 0]

sorry i never knew how to convert how do u put hhs in 1 bundle??

I usually just use flop turn river to convert.Dunno about 1 bundle.. It might be possible but I always just mass cut-n-paste, converting one at a time...Actually I'm really OCD about it if I have a lot of hands to convert and toss them all raw into notepad or wordpad until I'm done converting/posting. Most ppl skip that step ;)I'm pretty sure Tejote was just alluding to the fact that you could post more than 1 hand per post by simply posting 1 hand after another... after another.. etc.

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

ok i see some of what your saying but it nothing compared to shipping set of AA on a A97 board..so here is my understanding of what happned pre flop rdog opens i almsot call imediatly without much thought impulse if you will.So flop comes 857 he bets almsot pot with the fact that he 4x pre leads me t belive he has over pair so i decided to ship it and hope 2 get called by AA KK QQ JJ and I guess 1010 now if he has air and i raise flop he folds i highly doubt he shows up with 88 55 77 69 or 6-4 but sometimes he has pairs and gut shots or 9-10sooted so im happy to price out some draws and take the pot down rather have to play the vulnarble small 2 pair oop. now lets say he has the str8 and i raise and he 3 bets im alwys gonna get it in there with the way the game was playing so y not be the shipper rather than the caller there are so many scare cards on the turn for me, and for getting action from big pairs to shut down I felt it was the best decsion after making the impulse pre flop donk call!

[Cappy37 0]

Ok i think we're getting somewhere now: he bets almsot pot with the fact that he 4x pre leads me t belive he has over pairLet's look at what he can CB the flop with after raising PF.Any Ace-XKQ/KJ/KTAny PairJT/T9/98/87/76just to give some approximations on what might be in his PF range + flop CB. Obv you want to put him on 99+ to make your flop shove profitable. I understand that. What I want you to consider is all the random hands he actually has in his range..You're 70% to win against AA-TTYou're 60% to win against 99You're dead to 88/77 and essentially dead vs. 55You're 47/40/13tie against 67You're 9% against 78You're 77% against JTYou're 67% against T9You're 57% against 98You're 70% against A8That's all fine and dandy.. But whats the actual % of those hands he's going to call you with? You can safely erase JT and A8 from that list.. The rest is actually fairly likely to call.But how often does he actually have a hand like (98? T9? 78? 67?) in that spot?Consider that while also considering your shove is folding out A8/JT/22/33/44/Ax/Kx/Broadway overs like QT etc...That's a *ton* of hands he's likely holding. And you will not be earning a dime from any single one of them once you shove. You mentioned before how you like to play semi-bluffs and draws aggressively.. Consider that perhaps a flop raise to the $55-65 range would allow him to either do the shoving for you with a 99+ hand, or he could potentially shove some of his T9-67 connector range as his own semi-bluff.. He could also flat your range with some of those hands plus perhaps even something as weak as JT (for overs + gutshot).. Now once the turn card comes, any turn that isn't an 8,9, or 5 is going to allow you to get your money in even better and (at the same time) have extracted additional profit from a much, much wider range of hands. I'm not even saying I'm right. I'm certainly no nlhe pro. I'm just mapping out the other way to look at your hand. Look at your hand by looking at what your opponent could be holding.. That's always helped me approach getting the most out of good flops for my hand. Don't get me wrong: bottom two pair can lose value and be much trickier to play on later streets, but in the long run you'll likely earn far more on the flop + turn by playing out the hand aggressively (without shoving) than you would getting that 100BB in when you are anywhere from 55-75% to win the pot *when* he calls.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

my hardheaded douchebaggery is one of the reasons a lot of winning players don't contribute to strat here anymore.

fyp

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fyp

lol get your facts str8 buddy i never opened strat forum here before never debated any1 about hands that had to do with moveing forums infact i just like 2 have fun never claimed 2 be the best and never cared 1 way or the other I give out stakes and i dont personely attack anybody for the way they play or how the manage there money so make sure your aware of who the real DOUCHE BAGS ARE go back and read all my posts amigo and wld u like to play HU SIR?

[HighwayStar 8]

You cannot deny the fact that your attitude/manner of posting was a huge factor in a series of events which led to a lot of people going else where.

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

You cannot deny the fact that your attitude/manner of posting was a huge factor in a series of events which led to a lot of people going else where.

yes i can mostly def deny what u just said read the thread all i responded was rdog callimg me a reatrd bc i dumped cash and buit back using fpps i playe dhim hu bc somelse sugested it i was alwyas polite even when i was running so hot vs him i still was humble the crap that happend in that thread was months in the making and was between some posters that used post in his strat forum like i said i never posted there or rebuted anybodys idea i just wanted to play poker and have fun so i shall say to you sir you are horribly missinformed or horribly bised either way i implore u to go back and read the thread and than take back ure statement.There ehre some underlying issues that were brewing between others i never did like the politcs side of the forum

[StrippersNBlow 0]

The fact that everyone thinks DM's play is sub-par, yet he beat RDog again. That makes me happy inside. The fact that Rdog thinks he is so much better than DM, yet would turn down a chance to play him at any time for any length of time makes my underwear tight. I actually think RDog is the only person I would could ever, or would even consider slowrolling. Cranky old fuck. His tantrum made Andy's look reasonable.

[HighwayStar 8]

Meh you're not wrong, but at the same time you're not right and saying anything on the issue will just cause more problems/offence.I'm done with posting here.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

The fact that everyone thinks DM's play is sub-par, yet he beat RDog again. That makes me happy inside. The fact that Rdog thinks he is so much better than DM, yet would turn down a chance to play him at any time for any length of time makes my underwear tight. I actually think RDog is the only person I would could ever, or would even consider slowrolling. Cranky old fuck. His tantrum made Andy's look reasonable.

i turn down ratholers i have a big EV edge on all the time playing HU.